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VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jan 15 @ 4:55 PM ET
Better than most of us expected at the start of the year. Overall, I think our starts have been killing us. I'm not sure if you can attribute that to Green or just a young team learning what it takes. I also don't see why he shouldn't get the rest of the season at this point. I reserve the right to change that opinion should there be an outright collapse...so don't hold me to this.

The thing about replacing coach is first, they have to want to come here and work under Benning and Aquaman. Second, there's a bunch of other teams worse off that want them too.

- Load Management



I don't think Canucks will make a pitch for Gallant and secondly I think lots of teams will be looking to acquire him.

I seen on Twitter some people saying bring him in as an assistant coach
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jan 15 @ 4:57 PM ET
I don't think Canucks will make a pitch for Gallant and secondly I think lots of teams will be looking to acquire him.

I seen on Twitter some people saying bring him in as an assistant coach

- VANTEL

That will be Dragon.

Edit: and Nighthawk
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jan 15 @ 4:59 PM ET
I don't think Canucks will make a pitch for Gallant and secondly I think lots of teams will be looking to acquire him.

I seen on Twitter some people saying bring him in as an assistant coach

- VANTEL

Saw

Why not bring him in & can an AC? He knows VGK & would help prep against them.
Load Management
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Jan 15 @ 5:01 PM ET
I don't think Canucks will make a pitch for Gallant and secondly I think lots of teams will be looking to acquire him.

I seen on Twitter some people saying bring him in as an assistant coach

- VANTEL


You make me glad I'm not on the Tweeter. That's pure nonsense.

Another point I forgot to make for Carol, I think he goes to the All-Star game. I'm not sure how his contract is structured but I'm sure there's a decent amount of bonus money involved from the league and perhaps also Vegas. Maybe he can stick it to MCCRIMMON one last time on his way out the door.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Jan 15 @ 5:01 PM ET
Saw

Why not bring him in & can an AC? He knows VGK & would help prep against them.

- Nighthawk



He will be offered about 15 head coaching positions so I don't think AC for Canucks will be high on his list.

Oh and Travis can you train your replacement.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jan 15 @ 5:01 PM ET
Saw

Why not bring him in & can an AC? He knows VGK & would help prep against them.

- Nighthawk


he will get picked up as a head coach. He took VGK to the finals and won a jack adams award, hes not going to immediately take a job as an assistant when teams like the DET, OTT, ANA all could use a fresh face behind the bench.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jan 15 @ 5:12 PM ET
You make me glad I'm not on the Tweeter. That's pure nonsense.

Another point I forgot to make for Carol, I think he goes to the All-Star game. I'm not sure how his contract is structured but I'm sure there's a decent amount of bonus money involved from the league and perhaps also Vegas. Maybe he can stick it to MCCRIMMON one last time on his way out the door.

- Load Management

Load Management
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Jan 15 @ 5:13 PM ET

- Marwood



YeOldTimer
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jan 15 @ 5:18 PM ET
So is Green getting the best out of his team?
- VanHockeyGuy


Their systems need to evolve. The predictability of their power play is obviously a sore point and their D-zone coverage needs tweaking.

When they don't have the puck in their end, they collapse too deep to their own net. This leaves too much room for the other team to operate around the perimeter and up high. They give up a ton of shots from the point which are dangerously unpredictable due to deflections off bodies in front. It also increases chances of injury from blocking point shots (don't know why Tanev is still alive) and leads to long, extended pressure. Being back on their heals so much completely changes the momentum in many of their games.

They stated prior to to the beginning of the season that they wanted to be a difficult team to play against. Other than the odd shift where they forecheck aggressively and have success keeping the other team pinned in their end, I don't see that from them.

Sure, maybe they miss Ferland, Sutter and Leivo to an extent. But I think the bigger issue is that teams have figured out how to play against them and Green hasn't made the necessary adjustments.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Jan 15 @ 5:19 PM ET
Their systems need to evolve. The predictability of their power play is obviously a sore point and their D-zone coverage needs tweaking.

When they don't have the puck in their end, they collapse too deep to their own net. This leaves too much room for the other team to operate around the perimeter and up high. They give up a ton of shots from the point which are dangerously unpredictable due to deflections off bodies in front. It also increases chances of injury from blocking point shots (don't know why Tanev is still alive) and leads to long, extended pressure. Being back on their heals so much completely changes the momentum in many of their games.

They stated prior to to the beginning of the season that they wanted to be a difficult team to play against. Other than the odd shift where they forecheck aggressively and have success keeping the other team pinned in their end, I don't see that from them.

Sure, maybe they miss Ferland, Sutter and Leivo to an extent. But I think the bigger issue is that teams have figured out how to play against them and Green hasn't made the necessary adjustments.

- YeOldTimer


bro, unless you have coached, how dare you comment on it.
YeOldTimer
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jan 15 @ 5:24 PM ET
he will get picked up as a head coach. He took VGK to the finals and won a jack adams award, hes not going to immediately take a job as an assistant when he's getting paid more money by Vegas to sit home until the end of the season and then pick and choose where he wants to go next.
- Codes1087


fixed
SMBDragon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Escaped from Krypton
Joined: 07.29.2010

Jan 15 @ 5:24 PM ET
That will be Dragon.

Edit: and Nighthawk

- Marwood

I've not made any such comment
Up your meds, your schizophrenia is acting up
Load Management
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Jan 15 @ 5:24 PM ET
Their systems need to evolve. The predictability of their power play is obviously a sore point and their D-zone coverage needs tweaking.

When they don't have the puck in their end, they collapse too deep to their own net. This leaves too much room for the other team to operate around the perimeter and up high. They give up a ton of shots from the point which are dangerously unpredictable due to deflections off bodies in front. It also increases chances of injury from blocking point shots (don't know why Tanev is still alive) and leads to long, extended pressure. Being back on their heals so much completely changes the momentum in many of their games.

They stated prior to to the beginning of the season that they wanted to be a difficult team to play against. Other than the odd shift where they forecheck aggressively and have success keeping the other team pinned in their end, I don't see that from them.

Sure, maybe they miss Ferland, Sutter and Leivo to an extent. But I think the bigger issue is that teams have figured out how to play against them and Green hasn't made the necessary adjustments.

- YeOldTimer


Luckily, our PP has been stellar though.





YeOldTimer
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jan 15 @ 5:24 PM ET
bro, unless you have coached, how dare you comment on it.
- Codes1087


I coach bro
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jan 15 @ 5:25 PM ET
Their systems need to evolve. The predictability of their power play is obviously a sore point and their D-zone coverage needs tweaking.

When they don't have the puck in their end, they collapse too deep to their own net. This leaves too much room for the other team to operate around the perimeter and up high. They give up a ton of shots from the point which are dangerously unpredictable due to deflections off bodies in front. It also increases chances of injury from blocking point shots (don't know why Tanev is still alive) and leads to long, extended pressure. Being back on their heals so much completely changes the momentum in many of their games.

They stated prior to to the beginning of the season that they wanted to be a difficult team to play against. Other than the odd shift where they forecheck aggressively and have success keeping the other team pinned in their end, I don't see that from them.

Sure, maybe they miss Ferland, Sutter and Leivo to an extent. But I think the bigger issue is that teams have figured out how to play against them and Green hasn't made the necessary adjustments.

- YeOldTimer

You're probably going to have to provide some credentials before going this far in depth. Only the big boys talk systems.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jan 15 @ 5:27 PM ET
idiots
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jan 15 @ 5:28 PM ET
I've not made any such comment
Up your meds, your schizophrenia is acting up

- SMBDragon

I thought it might be you since you were once obsessively advocating for Carlyle as an assistant for Green and his legendary coaching staff.
Load Management
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Jan 15 @ 5:29 PM ET
You're probably going to have to provide some credentials before going this far in depth. Only the big boys talk systems.
- Marwood


I've got one of these on my mantle, do I qualify?
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jan 15 @ 5:37 PM ET
Their systems need to evolve. The predictability of their power play is obviously a sore point and their D-zone coverage needs tweaking.

When they don't have the puck in their end, they collapse too deep to their own net. This leaves too much room for the other team to operate around the perimeter and up high. They give up a ton of shots from the point which are dangerously unpredictable due to deflections off bodies in front. It also increases chances of injury from blocking point shots (don't know why Tanev is still alive) and leads to long, extended pressure. Being back on their heals so much completely changes the momentum in many of their games.

They stated prior to to the beginning of the season that they wanted to be a difficult team to play against. Other than the odd shift where they forecheck aggressively and have success keeping the other team pinned in their end, I don't see that from them.

Sure, maybe they miss Ferland, Sutter and Leivo to an extent. But I think the bigger issue is that teams have figured out how to play against them and Green hasn't made the necessary adjustments.

- YeOldTimer

Good analysis 👍
If it does succeed the transition fails with them dumping it out & back in again like TBL did. It’s a poor system against skating offensive teams. In the end it wears down team energy letting teams dictate. The 2nd period change now becomes a real problem.
Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

Jan 15 @ 5:41 PM ET
They've overachieved for a couple straight seasons, they definitely aren't a contending team unless Fleury plays out of his mind imo

Their C depth is definitely a problem but I see even more issues on the back end, they don't have a #1 or #2 Dman.

- NorthNuck


And yet they came pretty damn close to winning a cup....

So 1 of 2 things - either you consider Marchessault/Karlsson #1 & 2 Cs
and Schmidt and Theodore are #1 & 2 Dmen
or
you clearly don't need those things to win a cup or at least come very very fawking close.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jan 15 @ 5:43 PM ET
I've got one of these on my mantle, do I qualify?

- Load Management

Bowman?
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jan 15 @ 5:46 PM ET
I thought it might be you since you were once obsessively advocating for Carlyle as an assistant for Green and his legendary coaching staff.
- Marwood

OMG what an awful idea
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jan 15 @ 5:46 PM ET
And yet they came pretty damn close to winning a cup....

So 1 of 2 things - either you consider Marchessault/Karlsson #1 & 2 Cs
and Schmidt and Theodore are #1 & 2 Dmen
or
you clearly don't need those things to win a cup or at least come very very fawking close.

- Brooks_Light

It was a unique situation with a team playing a system other teams hadn't had very long to adjust to, ridiculous momentum brought on by the excitement of being underdogs and having a rabid fanbase behind them, as well as each and every player buying in completely, not to mention a goaltender playing out of his mind.

I don't think you can capture that lightning in a bottle again. I mean ffs Karlsson scored 43 goals that year. He will never even come close to that again.
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Jan 15 @ 5:49 PM ET
OMG what an awful idea
- neem55

Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

Jan 15 @ 5:50 PM ET
Better than most of us expected at the start of the year. Overall, I think our starts have been killing us. I'm not sure if you can attribute that to Green or just a young team learning what it takes. I also don't see why he shouldn't get the rest of the season at this point. I reserve the right to change that opinion should there be an outright collapse...so don't hold me to this.

The thing about replacing coach is first, they have to want to come here and work under Benning and Aquaman. Second, there's a bunch of other teams worse off that want them too.

- Load Management


I heard Shorty say something last night like the Canucks scored the first goal 12 games in a row from Mid DEcember up until the Florida game - so how is that killing us? IMO their starts have been quite good.
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