If we were stronger at LW, I would have been willing to add him to a deal, if we were weak somewhere else like G or D. Heck, I would still add Johnsson to a deal if it got us what we need.

Bracco alone doesn't get us that.. I would add Bracco to a deal
- PatC80

Adding a player that apparently has a value of a 4th round pick isn’t going to move the needle at all.

Keep him if that’s the case(it isn’t)

No one is saying trade him for a 4th. We are saying he is likely not worth more than that to OTHER gms.
- aminnes

I know that.

It’s why I’m laughing.

No one is saying trade him for a 4th. We are saying he is likely not worth more than that to OTHER gms.
- aminnes

thank you for understanding.

I think Bracco is a good piece to add to a trade for a goalie and/or defenseman..

I don't think Bracco alone gets us a goalie or a defenseman.. Unless it is for defenseman that was drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round of the 2015 draft that hasn't played an NHL game yet..
- PatC80

Agree. Our next back-up should be a full time replacement for Freddy down the road. But not likely to happen till off season.

Adding a player that apparently has a value of a 4th round pick isn’t going to move the needle at all.

Keep him if that’s the case(it isn’t)
- Santo_44

It will, if as you say, are interested in the potential the player has.

We've had our fair share of injuries this year.. I like Bracco and I hope he has a good, long career as a Maple Leaf, but I don't see him passing Marner/Nylander/Kap on the depth chart anytime soon.
- PatC80

Exactly. I would like to see him called up, do well so they can ship him out for something necessary, whether in a package or otherwise. But without an injury he's likely sitting in the A.

It will, if as you say, are interested in the potential the player has.
- PatC80

You’ve been saying Bracco is worth a 4th round pick this entire time.

Now you are either backtracking or struggling to communicate.

The Leafs could only be willing to give a 6th for Georgiev but that doesn’t make Georgiev values at a 6th round pick.

It will, if as you say, are interested in the potential the player has.
- PatC80

If you are the Rangers GM, would you honestly trade Georgiev for Bracco? 1 for 1? Georgiev has NHL experience and has played well.

Maybe, you would take that risk.. I wouldn't.
I would rather trade Georgiev for a player that would immediately impact your lineup.

“Guys stop labeling Sandin as a future good player we haven’t even seen him play enough yet”

“Oh Bracco is a bust because I say so”
- Santo_44

Let's just say I'm not the first guy to say that Bracco isn't going anywhere.

What you've failed to acknowledge is it isn't just about AHL numbers, age, comparing him to the same stats of other guys.

It's about his play. Many guys who make a living assessing talent have lost faith in him.

My opinion is 10% what I've seen him do, and 90% what I've read about him.

But hey, at the end of the day, it's just my opinion. We'll see.

And as they say, opinions are like arseholes - I like to share mine with as many people as possible.

You’ve been saying Bracco is worth a 4th round pick this entire time.

Now you are either backtracking or struggling to communicate.

The Leafs could only be willing to give a 6th for Georgiev but that doesn’t make Georgiev values at a 6th round pick.
- Santo_44

Yes, I think Bracco alone is worth a 4th rd pick. If you include him in a deal as a "sweetener" it might get you what you are looking for.

Let's just say I'm not the first guy to say that Bracco isn't going anywhere.

What you've failed to acknowledge is it isn't just about AHL numbers, age, comparing him to the same stats of other guys.

It's about his play. Many guys who make a living assessing talent have lost faith in him.

My opinion is 10% what I've seen him do, and 90% what I've read about him.

But hey, at the end of the day, it's just my opinion. We'll see.

And as they say, opinions are like arseholes - I like to share mine with as many people as possible.
- Atomic Wedgie

Who

And you said many, I’m expecting a lot of proof here.

Yes, I think Bracco alone is worth a 4th rd pick. If you include him in a deal as a "sweetener" it might get you what you are looking for.
- PatC80

Oh man

If you are the Rangers GM, would you honestly trade Georgiev for Bracco? 1 for 1? Georgiev has NHL experience and has played well.

Maybe, you would take that risk.. I wouldn't.
I would rather trade Georgiev for a player that would immediately impact your lineup.
- PatC80

nay

I'm not sure if you're not being objective or if you believe you're not being heard.

Everyone will concede that Bracco had a wonderful season in the AHL last year at 21 years old, and he is now only 22. Everyone also knows that his path the NHL is blocked by both his style and position being lower on the depth chart than star players or role players positioned ahead of him.

That being said, the book on Jeremy Bracco is that he is an undersized perimeter player who excels on the power play and is also a project at even strength since his work ethic is questionable.

All teams should know all about these guys. If they want Bracco, they'll call. But the price is going to end up being the best offered price. Ideally he can be leveraged in a deal where he brings added value.
- Monkeypunk

And every team has their own Bracco - a guy who ticks the boxes in 2 of 6 categories needed to be a quality NHLer.

Why would they trade for Bracco when they can keep trying to develop their own guy?

Unless they want to trade their own work in progress for Bracco.

I see Bracco like Timashov.
Both Drafted in 2015. Timashov is 6 months older and spent 3 years with the Marlies. There is a bit of a logjam now, so someone has to wait.

Only because of injures did we get Engvall and Brooks
All are around the same age

Oh man
- Santo_44

Let's use Georgiev as an example. You're Jeff Gorton and the Leafs offer Bracco for him, IMO, you're losing that trade. I don't think Bracco alone is not enough to get Georgiev.

I like Bracco. I think he's a good player but, he's not a player that will help the Leafs roster right now. If we could add him to a deal to help our roster now.. I'd move him

If they don’t get good value for him then you keep him.

There’s no point in trading him for scraps.
- Santo_44

I think this is his last year to build up any appreciable value before he is scraps. He's waiver eligible out of camp next year. If they can't move him for any value this year, next year - if he has any value to anyone - they'll lose him for nothing.

nay
- mrn22

I wouldn't either. It wouldn't make sense from the Rangers perspective. It would be great for the Leafs though.

I wouldn't either. It wouldn't make sense from the Rangers perspective. It would be great for the Leafs though.
- PatC80

everyone on this board will roll their eyes when they read this but I honestly think if you traded for Georgie today, by the time playoffs rolled around he would be your starter.

How

writing off a young player for having AHL success. There is nothing different.

Johnnson got NHL games when he was 23.
- Santo_44

There is something different though. Most of the other players he's compared to above, can do more than one thing. If you watch the Marlies, he doesn't do a lot other than make (admittedly) great passes.
He has a shot like Nerf popgun; no defensive skill (and from what I've heard, not a lot of desire to learn any); Is more of a perimeter player than anyone I've ever seen; and makes Marner look like a giant (and i'm talking first year Marner, not today).
It's no coincidence his stats have taken a step back as the team has tried to up his usage in non power play situations.
I agree he oozes offensive skill, but unless he learns another facet to his game, I don't see him as any more than a one dimensional utility player.
He's an RFA at the end of the year, and hasn't progressed at all this year. Petan probably has more value than him right now, and unless Bracco shows some more desire to improve, is probably his comparable as far as upside goes.
I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt he'll ever get more than a cup of coffee at the NHL level unless he changes his brain. I sadly see him more as a future KHL star.

Who

And you said many, I’m expecting a lot of proof here.
- Santo_44

I cut the articles out of the newspaper and glued them into my scrap book.

Wait until I get home and I'll mail you a copy.

everyone on this board will roll their eyes when they read this but I honestly think if you traded for Georgie today, by the time playoffs rolled around he would be your starter.
- mrn22

that seems kind of soon.. I do think he could eventually replace Andersen in 2 years when his contract is up.

I see Bracco like Timashov.
Both Drafted in 2015. Timashov is 6 months older and spent 3 years with the Marlies. There is a bit of a logjam now, so someone has to wait.

Only because of injures did we get Engvall and Brooks
All are around the same age
- senstroll

I thought Engvall was a bust for still being in the AHL at 23

everyone on this board will roll their eyes when they read this but I honestly think if you traded for Georgie today, by the time playoffs rolled around he would be your starter.
- mrn22

I cut the articles out of the newspaper and glued them into my scrap book.

Wait until I get home and I'll mail you a copy.
- Atomic Wedgie

I figured.

People like to spray random poop to try and prove a point on here.