Turns out that would've been great. But I don't know if that was actually an option. Maybe Sam decided to bet on himself and would only do a bridge barring a huge overpayment (at the time)? I don't know what happened. Both scenarios are equally plausible. If he did bet on himself, he made the right choice.
- JetpackJesus

Tough to make assumptions about how the negotiations went
We’ll probably never know

Only other option is to see what we can get for him in a trade, which i wouldn’t hate

But i do like Sam
So it better be a really good return
- jdfitz77

If they could package Reinhart + for a very good center, I'd be into it. I dont even know what names would fit that bill atm though

Turns out that would've been great. But I don't know if that was actually an option. Maybe Sam decided to bet on himself and would only do a bridge barring a huge overpayment (at the time)? I don't know what happened. Both scenarios are equally plausible. If he did bet on himself, he made the right choice.
- JetpackJesus

If I were Sam, I’d bet on myself again. Sign a 3 year deal for $7M per. By that time he could then cash in on a 5-6 year deal worth $10M per.

If I were Sam, I’d bet on myself again. Sign a 3 year deal for $7M per. By that time he could then cash in on a 5-6 year deal worth $10M per.
- Pegullaville

No you wouldn't.

You and your agent would say "I'm the only proven commodity at RW in the organization. I want $8/64 or I'm going to arbitration. If you dont pay, I'll take their award twice and head to free agency. Your call."

Our PP sucks and he doesn’t get the luxury of playing with a Huberdeau, Rantenen/Landeskog, Kucherov, Marchand/Pasternak, Draisatil, Marner.

Imagine the damage Jack could do if he wasn’t lifting Olofsson up by 20 points, but instead having a player that brought Jack himself up by 20 points ?

Reinhart is a good player, but not nearly as good as the running mates the players you are comparing Jack too get on a nightly basis.

Jack is so good he can still produce however when our PP dries up for months at a time and he can raise the play of guys like a Victor Olofsson.

He is every bit a generational player.

In terms of Sam it depends on years. If they go 3 years I see $7M per, if they go 5 years I can see $7.5M. If they go full term I could see $8x8.
- Pegullaville

I think we have different ideas of what “generational” means

No you wouldn't.

You and your agent would say "I'm the only proven commodity at RW in the organization. I want $8/64 or I'm going to arbitration. If you dont pay, I'll take their award twice and head to free agency. Your call."
- jcragcrumple

Which would still be more beneficial to the player than signing the long term deal.

If they could package Reinhart + for a very good center, I'd be into it. I dont even know what names would fit that bill atm though
- jcragcrumple

That’s fair
Guys that good generally don’t get moved,
so it would be tough to speculate

U commented on my post
I’ve just been responding back

Point is
His “ask” doesn’t matter
What he actually gets does

And he should be judged for his on ice production
Not what slot he was drafted in 6 years ago
- jdfitz77

It wasn't your comment.

If you aren't interested in how his contract plays out, and just in how in ends, that's fine. Nothing to discuss then.

I think we have different ideas of what “generational” means
- jdfitz77

Before the draft scouts said Eichel would most likely go 1st overall in any of the previous 8-10 drafts before the 2015 draft.

I would still think that would be the case.

Which would still be more beneficial to the player than signing the long term deal.
- Pegullaville

Yeah, of course, getting to unrestricted free agency is the gold mine. So I see either an 8x8 deal, a 5/$35 or arbitration followed by UFA status

Before the draft scouts said Eichel would most likely go 1st overall in any of the previous 8-10 drafts before the 2015 draft.

I would still think that would be the case.
- Pegullaville

Sure
But on top of that, Jack (along with McDavid) was called “generational”

Jack is finally putting up elite numbers among his peers
But top5ish in scoring this season isn’t “generational”

He’s gonna need to be neck & neck with McDavid on a yearly basis to live up to that


Again though...
I’m not saying this to knock Jack
Simply pointing out that he hasn’t lived up to his “generational” draft scouting report
Just like Sam hasn’t lived up to his 2OA pick

So if you’re (not you specifically, but anyone) gonna p!ss & moan about Sam not being a ppg 2C
Then ppl should also be griping about how it’s taken this long just for Jack to be a 100pt player,
and how he’s not putting up 120ish pts

Sure
But on top of that, Jack (along with McDavid) was called “generational”

Jack is finally putting up elite numbers among his peers
But top5ish in scoring this season isn’t “generational”

He’s gonna need to be neck & neck with McDavid on a yearly basis to live up to that
- jdfitz77

That was always an unfair comparison from start to finish.

I think when it’s all said and done the only name we will be talking about in the same breath as McDavid is Gretzky, with Crosby and Lemieux right there.

Go on...
- jcragcrumple

Don't encourage him.

That was always an unfair comparison from start to finish.

I think when it’s all said and done the only name we will be talking about in the same breath as McDavid is Gretzky, with Crosby and Lemieux right there.
- Pegullaville

In that same respect,
isn’t it “unfair” to compare Sam to elite 2OA picks then too?

Bc when Jack was drafted,
we all were told he’d be 1b to McDavid
Not 5 or 6 or 7, etc etc

Lazar....Stopgap 2C?

Don't encourage him.
- Wetbandit1

I said I’d make u a Long Island
Idk why you’re still so bitter

In that same respect,
isn’t it “unfair” to compare Sam to elite 2OA picks then too?

Bc when Jack was drafted,
we all were told he’d be 1b to McDavid
Not 5 or 6 or 7
- jdfitz77

For the last 20 games he has been. There is not a hotter player in the world right now than Jack Eichel.

Reinhart doesn’t move the needle enough for me as a 2OA pick in comparison to guys like Draisatil, Nylander, Ehlers, Larkin, Pasternak.

Like Jesus Christ we traded away multiple players and completely gutted an organization for Sam Reinhart, let that sink in. I’m sure management had their sights set on 2015 the whole time and the thought of McDavid/Eichel but still.

We also had no idea we would still be this bad in 2018 to get Dahlin. I give Botts credit for not coming in and spending money and making trades in order for us to be in that position to end with Dahlin because he easily could have traded prospects like Olofsson and the pick that ended up being Dahlin to “win now” before that last place season even started.

For the last 20 games he has been. There is not a hotter player in the world right now than Jack Eichel.

Reinhart doesn’t move the needle enough for me as a 2OA pick in comparison to guys like Draisatil, Nylander, Ehlers, Larkin, Pasternak.

Like Jesus Christ we traded away multiple players and completely gutted an organization for Sam Reinhart, let that sink in. I’m sure management had their sights set on 2015 the whole time and the thought of McDavid/Eichel but still.

We also had no idea we would still be this bad in 2018 to get Dahlin. I give Botts credit for not coming in and spending money and making trades in order for us to be in that position to end with Dahlin because he easily could have traded prospects like Olofsson and the pick that ended up being Dahlin to “win now” before that last place season even started.
- Pegullaville

Only Draisaitl was roughly in the convo for 2OA

And u can go through every single draft and find guys picked lower who are outproducing guys picked higher

And great, Jack has been “1b” for 20 games
Sam has had stretches comparable to the guys you’re listing too

If u aren’t gonna be mad at Jack for not putting up 120pts each year
Then it’s inconsistent to be upset that Sam isn’t a ppg 2C

And seriously...

For all u guys complaining that Draisaitl is outproducing Sam...
He’s also outproducing Jack too!!!

And seriously...

For all u guys complaining that Draisaitl is outproducing Sam...
He’s also outproducing Jack too!!!
- jdfitz77

Sure and if Sam and Leon switched places, Eichel may very well be first in the league in points.

Eichel is a top 3-4 Center in the world right now and I have no complaints about his play. In a redraft he would still go #2 behind McDavid.

In a 2014 redraft, Reinhart would go in the 5-7 range.

Sure and if Sam and Leon switched places, Eichel may very well be first in the league in points.

Eichel is a top 3-4 Center in the world right now and I have no complaints about his play. In a redraft he would still go #2 behind McDavid.

In a 2014 redraft, Reinhart would go in the 5-7 range.
- Pegullaville

Sure, but again...
Eichel was being called “generational”
So he should really be compared to the rest of the league, not just his draft class
He should be fairly clear cut #2 behind McDavid
And maybe he finally is
But he hasn’t been till now
So we’ve gotta see if Jack keeps this up moving forward

My point is fairly simple
U should’ve gotten it by now

Neither guy has lived up to their draft status

Sure, but again...
Eichel was being called “generational”
So he should really be compared to the rest of the league, not just his draft class
He should be fairly clear cut #2 behind McDavid
And maybe he finally is
But he hasn’t been till now
So we’ve gotta see if Jack keeps this up moving forward
My point is fairly simple
U should’ve gotten it by now

Neither guy has lived up to their draft status
- jdfitz77

How is it that a guy that will put up 45-60-105 and be +10-15 on the worst team in the league, playing with AHL’ers, making the best defensemen in the league look stupid
On a regular basis is and will be a hart trophy finalist not a generational talent?

My primary argument is put anyone in the league in his position and put
Him in their position and see what the result is. I’d say they’re are maybe 3,4 who would have his impact. Maybe

How is it that a guy that will put up 45-60-105 and be +10-15 on the worst team in the league, playing with AHL’ers, making the best defensemen in the league look stupid
On a regular basis is and will be a hart trophy finalist not a generational talent?

My primary argument is put anyone in the league in his position and put
Him in their position and see what the result is. I’d say they’re are maybe 3,4 who would have his impact. Maybe
- lulags

Maybe Jack has finally reached that level
But even now, he’s 7th in scoring
Not 1B behind McDavid

He hasn’t been on this level over the duration of career
And Sam has played at a “2OA” level at times too

And your switch Jack with player x and see what happens is just conjecture at best

We do know this though
McDavid was playing at an MVP level before Draisaitl was who he is now
So I’m not buying that excuse for Jack

Again...
not railing on him
Just saying that he hasn’t lived up to his generational tag,
just like Sam hasn’t lived up to 2OA

I don’t think there’s any merit to focusing on that for either of them though
They are who they are

Hey now this team could really use the all-star break to collect themselves

And seriously...

For all u guys complaining that Draisaitl is outproducing Sam...
He’s also outproducing Jack too!!!
- jdfitz77

This guy argues with his grandma if no one else is around