Andrew Filliponi from Pittsburgh on WGR on if there’s any cap dumps for the Penguins

“Nick Bjugstad isn’t really good at anything, isn’t a center, isn’t a winger”
- sbroads24

"2C"

Ngakoue from the Jags will be going to UFA.

GoBillsGOGOGO

the help for this season will come from olofsson and skinner

expect little other then moving out rentals


botts has inquired on RNH in the past, esp after ror was moved

I would expect him to kick the tires on him this summer, if he becomes a free agent

I heard he is looking to upgrade at LD, so if a move can be made over this summer to get an LD with 1 or 2 years left on his deal, don't be shocked if that happens over the summer


mccabe will probably be moved around the draft, from what I heard


priority remains having enough money for reinhart and montour
- homiedclown

Yup botts is waiving the white flag and giving up. All this makes sense.

Teams won’t be taking any of our garbage though.

Ngakoue from the Jags will be going to UFA.

GoBillsGOGOGO
- TheSabresTaco

I don’t disagree with this. I feel like the bills with 89 mill don’t actually have that much space

White, Milano, and I am missing someone. They need extensions. Those are going to cost a lot of money.

Phillips / Lawson should be resigned if the money is not out of control bad

O line- couple guys need to be resigned

Once that is done. Then how much space do you really have?

Andrew Filliponi from Pittsburgh on WGR on if there’s any cap dumps for the Penguins

“Nick Bjugstad isn’t really good at anything, isn’t a center, isn’t a winger”
- sbroads24

So if your options are someone of his caliber and contract status or nothing, you're good with nothing?

Because let's be honest, and I say this with zero snark, that's probably the highest caliber of player Botterill will trade for. He's not going to pay for Point, or Gaudreau or Connor. He just wont.

So do you want something for next year or nothing?

Ngakoue from the Jags will be going to UFA.

GoBillsGOGOGO
- TheSabresTaco

Jaguars GM Dave Caldwell said re-signing free agent DE Yannick Ngakoue should be done "relatively easily."
This is at least Caldwell's second public comment regarding the manner, and both have made it seem like Ngakoue will be signed to a long-term deal. Coming off another eight-sack season, Ngakoue deserves a nice payday this offseason as a soon-to-be 25-year-old. Worst case, the Jaguars can place the franchise tag on their productive pass rusher.


Nope

That's just a silly take. Linemates always feed off each other. There's maybe like 30 guys that can do it on their own. And to expect the guy who was signed to play 3rd line center/2nd line winger to be one of them is just a bad take imo.
- SDSabre

I understand that line mates build offof each other, but his production drastically fell off after his injury, Skinner's injury and Sobotka's injury. So moving him makes sense, if the return meets whatever needs we have, when we don't have a reasonable line for him.

So if your options are someone of his caliber and contract status or nothing, you're good with nothing?

Because let's be honest, and I say this with zero snark, that's probably the highest caliber of player Botterill will trade for. He's not going to pay for Point, or Gaudreau or Connor. He just wont.

So do you want something for next year or nothing?
- jcragcrumple

Gally? 🤷‍♂️
Brassard? 🤷‍♂️

Roustilian? - I’m guessing Ahl for a season for him

I agree, he needs to bring someone that plays center in, if he starts a third season with hopes and prayers on a rookie, a 3rd year that’s struggling in the Ahl. Or a converted winger I’ll be severely disappointed....

I don’t disagree with this. I feel like the bills with 89 mill don’t actually have that much space

White, Milano, and I am missing someone. They need extensions. Those are going to cost a lot of money.

Phillips / Lawson should be resigned if the money is not out of control bad

O line- couple guys need to be resigned

Once that is done. Then how much space do you really have?
- Sabretooth9

Well, first you gotta think, some of the current cap is already attributed to those listed contracts. Not a whole lot. Then, realize that this coming season, you don't need all 89M because none of our young players are starting their new contracts except for probably Shaq and doubtfully Phillips. You have room for great DEs, and Brandon Beane will absolutely make room for a player of his caliber if he decides to join this team. Exorcising contracts like Murphy and Kroft make this absolutely possible.

Jaguars GM Dave Caldwell said re-signing free agent DE Yannick Ngakoue should be done "relatively easily."
This is at least Caldwell's second public comment regarding the manner, and both have made it seem like Ngakoue will be signed to a long-term deal. Coming off another eight-sack season, Ngakoue deserves a nice payday this offseason as a soon-to-be 25-year-old. Worst case, the Jaguars can place the franchise tag on their productive pass rusher.


Nope
- SABRES 89

Yannick Ngokoue, and I quote from Twitter:

"Free"

I understand that line mates build offof each other, but his production drastically fell off after his injury, Skinner's injury and Sobotka's injury. So moving him makes sense, if the return meets whatever needs we have, when we don't have a reasonable line for him.
- thatsapickle

I mean do you understand that? You're posts have read as the exact opposite of that. That if Sobotka's "skills" matched well with Johannsons that somehow that's a bad thing because Sobotka sucks. My point is he willingly came here, for market value. We have a hard enough time getting guys to do that. So we ship him off. Not a great look imo, but it's far from the worst thing to ever happen here I guess.

So if your options are someone of his caliber and contract status or nothing, you're good with nothing?

Because let's be honest, and I say this with zero snark, that's probably the highest caliber of player Botterill will trade for. He's not going to pay for Point, or Gaudreau or Connor. He just wont.

So do you want something for next year or nothing?
- jcragcrumple

yes, as long as I'm confined to the exact definition of your statement

yes, as long as I'm confined to the exact definition of your statement
- TheSabresTaco

I'm serious though, put it in the context of the rest of the comment. Do you see Botterill trading for someone like him for a mid rounder and a prospect, or do you see him trading a 1st and Mittelstadt for someone indisputably good?

I'd bet the house on the former. I don't agree with it, but isn't that who this GM is?

I'm serious though, put it in the context of the rest of the comment. Do you see Botterill trading for someone like him for a mid rounder and a prospect, or do you see him trading a 1st and Mittelstadt for someone indisputably good?

I'd bet the house on the former
- jcragcrumple

I think we're having two different discussions here.

First one being, would you rather have Bjugstad or nothing. I'd prefer nothing. Introduce a variable like, they'll take Okposo, I say sure. I wouldn't even trade them Bogo, because at least you get to shed that at the end of the year.

Second discussion, do I see him making (another) irrelevant trade or an impact trade? I really don't know, because he's done both. Our own first round pick has gained a lot of value as the season's gone on, so unless he's targeting someone that's absolutely worth that pick at this juncture, I doubt he makes a significant in season trade.

Now, there's a chance some bad teams will offer someone up for that pick. But finding poor teams with good young players that are willing to shed them is extremely difficult. I mean, you're probably looking at guys like Blake Coleman, Vlad Namestnikov, Josh Anderson, Max Domi (highly doubtful), Chris Kreider, Pavel Buchnevich, Ondrej Kase and Jack Roslovic.

Some nice stuff in there I guess, but who the (frank) is giving up an unprotected first for them.

I mean, would you guys trade Sam Reinhart for a lottery ticket at 5% odds?

I think we're having two different discussions here.

First one being, would you rather have Bjugstad or nothing. I'd prefer nothing. Introduce a variable like, they'll take Okposo, I say sure. I wouldn't even trade them Bogo, because at least you get to shed that at the end of the year.

Second discussion, do I see him making (another) irrelevant trade or an impact trade? I really don't know, because he's done both. Our own first round pick has gained a lot of value as the season's gone on, so unless he's targeting someone that's absolutely worth that pick at this juncture, I doubt he makes a significant in season trade.

Now, there's a chance some bad teams will offer someone up for that pick. But finding poor teams with good young players that are willing to shed them is extremely difficult. I mean, you're probably looking at guys like Blake Coleman, Vlad Namestnikov, Josh Anderson, Max Domi (highly doubtful), Chris Kreider, Pavel Buchnevich, Ondrej Kase and Jack Roslovic.

Some nice stuff in there I guess, but who the (frank) is giving up an unprotected first for them.
- TheSabresTaco

That's just crazy to me. We have 2 proven middle-six forwards under contract for next year. He or someone of his ilk would undoubtedly be helpful.

As for the rest, yeah, being a GM is hard

Well, first you gotta think, some of the current cap is already attributed to those listed contracts. Not a whole lot. Then, realize that this coming season, you don't need all 89M because none of our young players are starting their new contracts except for probably Shaq and doubtfully Phillips. You have room for great DEs, and Brandon Beane will absolutely make room for a player of his caliber if he decides to join this team. Exorcising contracts like Murphy and Kroft make this absolutely possible.
- TheSabresTaco

Tre is making 3 million and Milano is at 800K.

Both are in line for some nice raises.

I think they could keep Murphy and cut kroft

That's just crazy to me. We have 2 proven middle-six forwards under contract for next year. He or someone of his ilk would undoubtedly be helpful.

As for the rest, yeah, being a GM is hard
- jcragcrumple

His contract far exceeds his value. It's not crazy because he is a negative value player. Why are we still settling for garbage.

Tre is making 3 million and Milano is at 800K.

Both are in line for some nice raises.

I think they could keep Murphy and cut kroft
- Sabretooth9

I dunno. You bring in Ngokoue, that's a ton of dough on DE. Like, way too much.

I dunno. You bring in Ngokoue, that's a ton of dough on DE. Like, way too much.
- TheSabresTaco

WE have to have a pass rush, it's keeping this defense from being great, not just good. Cut Murphy... USELESS

I mean, would you guys trade Sam Reinhart for a lottery ticket at 5% odds?
- TheSabresTaco

half the board would

HE STINKS

Yannick Ngokoue, and I quote from Twitter:

"Free"
- TheSabresTaco

it's really messed up down here, with all the illegal fines and no wonder ramsey wanted out now that everything came out

shocked they kept the bum coach

His contract far exceeds his value. It's not crazy because he is a negative value player. Why are we still settling for garbage.
- TheSabresTaco

I disagree that he's garbage but the point of talking about names such as his or Bonino is that it's far more realistic that the GM does that rather than getting an elite 2nd center via trade or FA. We all want Point (or most) but the GM isnt going to go for that caliber of player.

So who do you want for a combination of a 2nd or 3rd, 5th and/or a prospect?

So if your options are someone of his caliber and contract status or nothing, you're good with nothing?

Because let's be honest, and I say this with zero snark, that's probably the highest caliber of player Botterill will trade for. He's not going to pay for Point, or Gaudreau or Connor. He just wont.

So do you want something for next year or nothing?
- jcragcrumple

But the “just get anyone bc they’re better than nothing” thinking is how we ended up with guys like Sheary, Vesey, Sobotka, etc
Do we really want more of that?
No thanks

I disagree that he's garbage but the point of talking about names such as his or Bonino is that it's far more realistic that the GM does that rather than getting an elite 2nd center via trade or FA. We all want Point (or most) but the GM isnt going to go for that caliber of player.

So who do you want for a combination of a 2nd or 3rd, 5th and/or a prospect?
- jcragcrumple

Bonino is one of the best 2way 3Cs in hockey
Bringing him in is light years better than Bjugstad,
who is an average at best 3rd liner
If we can pry Bonino from Nashville, GREAT
No to Turris, No to overpaid/overrated RyJo

It’s better to play the kids than just bring in more “blah” players