If you look at gallys yearly production during his career. He is a 45-50 point player. The Sabres would gladly take that kind of production at 3C
- Sabretooth9

No, they wouldn't.

nothing is a given
- homiedclown

No, it WAS actually a given that Darcy would (frank) up almost every single 1st round pick he ever made.

Throw Barrett Heisten in there, too.

Woof.

What is six is a half dozen of the other?

I'm all for more offense, though.
- thatsapickle

I just think it sets the lineup a little better and puts players in their more natural positions up front. While strengthening the blackened by not having to placate bogo and inserting Pilut or Miller more regularly...

No, it WAS actually a given that Darcy would (frank) up almost every single 1st round pick he ever made.

Throw Barrett Heisten in there, too.

Woof.
- Powerslave

but he nailed it with drew stafford

The highest pick he ever moved was a low first

The best prospect he moved was Nylander

If you want a Point or something very good, you're moving a high 1st and Mittelstadt at a minimum. That's just not in his DNA
- jcragcrumple

You seemingly want everything both ways here.

He’s 1,000% at fault for having another poopty backup plan for Mitts falling on his face.

He’s also 1,000% at fault for the logjam at D

Probably at fault for the goaltending issue, although Hutton’s demise wasn’t exactly predictable to the extent it’s been.

But the idea or narrative that he’s just never gonna address the issues at hand is sorta laughable to be frank.

The blue line was in total disarray when he got here. He addressed it with trades, drafting, and FA. Literally all of it. Traded a package including a first to get one. Traded a former top 8 pick to get another.

He’s also acquired forwards via trade/ UFA. Some have been ok, Skinner has been great, and some have sucked.

The idea he isn’t going to do anything is just a really bad take not set in reality

Why would Tampa move Point ?

but he nailed it with drew stafford
- SabresFaninIndiana

😂

You seemingly want everything both ways here.

He’s 1,000% at fault for having another poopty backup plan for Mitts falling on his face.

He’s also 1,000% at fault for the logjam at D

Probably at fault for the goaltending issue, although Hutton’s demise wasn’t exactly predictable to the extent it’s been.

But the idea or narrative that he’s just never gonna address the issues at hand is sorta laughable to be frank.

The blue line was in total disarray when he got here. He addressed it with trades, drafting, and FA. Literally all of it. Traded a package including a first to get one. Traded a former top 8 pick to get another.

He’s also acquired forwards via trade/ UFA. Some have been ok, Skinner has been great, and some have sucked.

The idea he isn’t going to do anything is just a really bad take not set in reality
- sbroads24

What i said was it's more likely he'll trade a 2nd, 5th and prospect for a mid range player than a 1st and Mittelstadt + for a high-end player.

Based on his track record, I think that's a fair assumption

Gladly pass? We are 10 points out of a playoff spot. Why not roll the dice?

Gally till the end of year.... if he sucks. You move on from him. He does well. He gets another contract.

I rather go down with the ship and try and make the team a little better than just let it flat out sink.

Gally is better than sheary Erod vesey and Keep the LOG line together.

Anything is better than staying put
- Sabretooth9

Sometimes the best decisions are the ones we don’t make.

You seemingly want everything both ways here.

He’s 1,000% at fault for having another poopty backup plan for Mitts falling on his face.

He’s also 1,000% at fault for the logjam at D

Probably at fault for the goaltending issue, although Hutton’s demise wasn’t exactly predictable to the extent it’s been.

But the idea or narrative that he’s just never gonna address the issues at hand is sorta laughable to be frank.

The blue line was in total disarray when he got here. He addressed it with trades, drafting, and FA. Literally all of it. Traded a package including a first to get one. Traded a former top 8 pick to get another.

He’s also acquired forwards via trade/ UFA. Some have been ok, Skinner has been great, and some have sucked.

The idea he isn’t going to do anything is just a really bad take not set in reality
- sbroads24

I will say this, with everything he has done, his teams are only a very tiny margin better than those that were put together by Tim Murray.

Neither way can be good, its not one or the other.
Botterils acquisitions have been average at best.

Skinner was a low cost, He was signed to a 9mil contract and is on pace for 30
points this year. However you look at it or blame, that is a disaster.

His first coach pick was a disaster, Bowl-u, Scandella, Berglund, Thompson, Sobodka, Sheary, Vesey.

All guys he has acquired and none will play any meanigfull hockey for this organization.

Why would Tampa move Point ?
- Pegullaville

to acquire what we dont have

I will say this, with everything he has done, his teams are only a very tiny margin better than those that were put together by Tim Murray.

Neither way can be good, its not one or the other.
Botterils acquisitions have been average at best.

Skinner was a low cost, He was signed to a 9mil contract and is on pace for 30
points this year. However you look at it or blame, that is a disaster.

His first coach pick was a disaster, Bowl-u, Scandella, Berglund, Thompson, Sobodka, Sheary, Vesey.

All guys he has acquired and none will play any meanigfull hockey for this organization.
- ImThatGuy

My biggest concern is Mittelstadt and Cozens’ development and the player that we draft this year in the top 15.

That’s what will matter long term.

I’m also not a fan of the length of the Skinner deal but it is what it is at this point.

Move some pending UFA’s to recoup the mid-rounders we gave up the past couple of years and hit the reset button in the offseason.

to acquire what we dont have
- hubie

Let me rephrase that, if you were Tampa Bay would you move Point ?

I mean Montreal doesn’t have a 1C but that doesn’t mean they can offer me something that would consider me trading them Eichel.

What is six is a half dozen of the other?

I'm all for more offense, though.
- thatsapickle

Did you mean this?
six of one, half a dozen of the other

Let me rephrase that, if you were Tampa Bay would you move Point ?

I mean Montreal doesn’t have a 1C but that doesn’t mean they can offer me something that would consider me trading them Eichel.
- Pegullaville

The rationale would be that hypothetically they think Mittelstadt or the Sabres 1st could slot into that spot at a cap savings and not miss a beat.

Say at the draft the Sabres offer the 6th overall pick, Mittelstadt and Samuelson. There is a rationale for why they would accept it.

Would JB offer that? Almost certainly not.

It's far more likely based on his track record that he offers a 3rd, 5th, Erod and a prospect for someone like Bonino. That's how he rolls

Let me rephrase that, if you were Tampa Bay would you move Point ?

I mean Montreal doesn’t have a 1C but that doesn’t mean they can offer me something that would consider me trading them Eichel.
- Pegullaville

On second thought i dont think you woudl move him.
Clearly they are happy with "centers" on the wing in
Stammer & johnson etc

so in theory what would it take? a bonafide franchise D man who has a low cap hit is about the only thing i could come up with

I will say this, with everything he has done, his teams are only a very tiny margin better than those that were put together by Tim Murray.

Neither way can be good, its not one or the other.
Botterils acquisitions have been average at best.

Skinner was a low cost, He was signed to a 9mil contract and is on pace for 30
points this year. However you look at it or blame, that is a disaster.

His first coach pick was a disaster, Bowl-u, Scandella, Berglund, Thompson, Sobodka, Sheary, Vesey.

All guys he has acquired and none will play any meanigfull hockey for this organization.
- ImThatGuy

Tim Murray left an 82 point team with 0 flexibility to go upwards. Which is why it needed to be rebuilt again.

That’s not close to what we have now.

We’re a high 80’s team who’s best d men are 19/20 and will actually have cap space to add players

Couple of guys top trade candidates lists (from Spector's page) :

TSN: Chris Kreider, Alec Martinez, and Ilya Kovalchuk are the top-three players atop Frank Seravalli’s latest NHL trade-bait list. Jean-Gabriel Pageau and Alexandar Georgiev round out the top five. Tyler Toffoli, Shayne Gostisbehere, Sami Vatanen, Andreas Athanasiou, and the Carolina's 1st rnd pick in the 2020 NHL Draft fill slots 6 to 10. Brenden Dillon, Alex Galchenyuk, Ron Hainsey, Ryan Donato, and Robin Lehner fill slots 11 to 15.

Sportsnet: Rory Boylen last week also published a list of 20 trade candidates we could hear about before the deadline. It included Jason Zucker, Mikael Granlund, Nick Bonino, Zach Bogosian, Evan Rodrigues, Craig Anderson, Corey Crawford, Casey DeSmith, Brandon Saad, Mark Jankowski, Jesse Puljujarvi.

The Sporting News: Matt Larkin’s list includes Kyle Palmieri, P.K. Subban, Wayne Simmonds, Tomas Tatar, Erik Gustafsson, Ondrej Kase, Marcus Johansson and Michael Frolik, Jake Gardiner, Sam Bennett, Leafs AHL winger Jeremy Bracco, and Avs prospect d-man Conor Timmons.

Condensed to shorten the post. Full article here https://www.spectorshocke...mor-mill-january-22-2020/

My list of guys to go after in no particular order would be:
Brendan Dillon (bigger and tougher than McCabe, can use McCabe in separate deal)
Galchenyuk
Donato (oft injured though)
Granlund (played C before traded to Nash)
Bonino
Puljujarvi
Athanasiou
Kase (also oft injured)
Bracco is intriguing, but haven't seen him a lot

Mostly cost effective guys that shouldn't cost too much to acquire.

What i said was it's more likely he'll trade a 2nd, 5th and prospect for a mid range player than a 1st and Mittelstadt + for a high-end player.

Based on his track record, I think that's a fair assumption
- jcragcrumple

But that’s not his track record, so again it’s a narrative not set in reality.

He’s literally, in real life moved multiple picks/prospects who were either 1st rounders or actual first rounders.

He’s made literally every type of trade imaginable

He’s moved players for players in the Pominville deal

He’s moved a first rounder + good prospect in the Montour deal.

He’s acquired 1st rounders and a guy who was a former first rounder in the ROR deal

He’s moved a top 10 prospect like what Mitts is for Jokiharju

It’s a track record you’ve made up because he acquired Jeff Skinner that way

The rationale would be that hypothetically they think Mittelstadt or the Sabres 1st could slot into that spot at a cap savings and not miss a beat.

Say at the draft the Sabres offer the 6th overall pick, Mittelstadt and Samuelson. There is a rationale for why they would accept it.

Would JB offer that? Almost certainly not.

It's far more likely based on his track record that he offers a 3rd, 5th, Erod and a prospect for someone like Bonino. That's how he rolls
- jcragcrumple

So, you're angry because hypothetically the GM won't make a fictitious trade?

But that’s not his track record, so again it’s a narrative not set in reality.

He’s literally, in real life moved multiple picks/prospects who were either 1st rounders or actual first rounders.

He’s made literally every type of trade imaginable

He’s moved players for players in the Pominville deal

He’s moved a first rounder + good prospect in the Montour deal.

He’s acquired 1st rounders and a guy who was a former first rounder in the ROR deal

He’s moved a top 10 prospect like what Mitts is for Jokiharju

It’s a track record you’ve made up because he acquired Jeff Skinner that way
- sbroads24

What's his favorite type of deal?

2nd, 3rd and change for Skinner
3rd for Vesey
3rd for Beaulieu
3rd for a 4th w/ scandalous and Pommer
4th for Frolik
4th for Sheary
2nd and 5th for miller.
Prospect for prospect Joker
5th for Wilson

So you tell me, what's more likely:

3rd, 5th, erod and a prospect for Bonino

Or 1st (say 7th overall), Mittelstadt and Johnson for someone like point.

If you're being honest, you know it's the first one

Sometimes the best decisions are the ones we don’t make.
- Pegullaville

Shipping bogo or Erod and getting gally isn’t really losing anything.

So, you're angry because hypothetically the GM won't make a fictitious trade?
- Lunaion

I'm just pointing out the type of trade we should expect with this GM

Tim Murray left an 82 point team with 0 flexibility to go upwards. Which is why it needed to be rebuilt again.

That’s not close to what we have now.

We’re a high 80’s team who’s best d men are 19/20 and will actually have cap space to add players
- sbroads24

Cap space to do what with exactly, overspend in UFA?
Trade picks/prospects that the Sabres still don't have?
There are still no prospects on this team at the forward position.

Mittlestadt is trending the wrong way, Cozens is probably two years away.

Thompson is Bailey/Baptiste, insert forward prospect.

All that said, this team is on pace for 84 points. One more win than "Tim Murrays disaster"

Shipping bogo or Erod and getting gally isn’t really losing anything.
- Sabretooth9

Its not gaining anything either.