he needs a plan B if cozens and casey are not ready to be a center

it's fine if they play on the wings, but they are super talented and both need to be contributing in the fall, and at least 40 point players


we can't sacrifice another season w/o playoffs in spring of 2021
- homiedclown

I know you said they don’t want to move Risto, I still fail to see how we don’t move at least one of Risto/Montour though with the need for a 2C and the fact that they’ll need to expose one or risk losing Mittelstadt to Seattle.

I don’t think you’re using literally correctly.
- Beethoven

Unfortunately, because dumb-dumbs have been misusing it for so long, it is correct now. Just like "could of" will, within a few years, become "correct", or at least, not wrong.

I know you said they don’t want to move Risto, I still fail to see how we don’t move at least one of Risto/Montour though with the need for a 2C and the fact that they’ll need to expose one or risk losing Mittelstadt to Seattle.
- Pegullaville

bringing in joker and olofsson working out makes it more difficult

they either protect 4 d and expose a guy up front, or expose a top 4 D man

Unfortunately, because dumb-dumbs have been misusing it for so long, it is correct now. Just like "could of" will, within a few years, become "correct", or at least, not wrong.
- Wetbandit1

It is NOT correct now.

he needs a plan B if cozens and casey are not ready to be a center

it's fine if they play on the wings, but they are super talented and both need to be contributing in the fall, and at least 40 point players


we can't sacrifice another season w/o playoffs in spring of 2021
- homiedclown

I see it differently.
Botts absolutely must trade for an effective/efficient actual 2C, not an imposter, and not hoping a 20 YO will magically be able to handle the pressure and workload. If Casey or Cozens develop into that role earlier than in 3 years, fine, then trade them or the acquired 2C...money in the bank

It is NOT correct now.
- Der Kaiser

Your not the literal boss of gramer!!!!!

It is NOT correct now.
- Der Kaiser

It is in informal usage. That doesn't make it right though.

Elie scores Amerks lead 1-0

The game should be on MSG

Good job Kim

Elie scores Amerks lead 1-0

The game should be on MSG

Good job Kim
- mhp

It’s a shame Thompson got hurt. He was developing quite well with Rochester.

I still think he can be a solid depth player for us, or at least used as a trade chip to acquire a top 6 forward

I know you said they don’t want to move Risto, I still fail to see how we don’t move at least one of Risto/Montour though with the need for a 2C and the fact that they’ll need to expose one or risk losing Mittelstadt to Seattle.
- Pegullaville

Would of been better off using the Montour assets for a Center or just drafted one. Mitts looks like another Nylander at this point. He can get traded to any team that thinks he’s good.

Skinner never should of been signed to that horrible contract but even worse is we can’t expose him because of the no movement clause. He would of been a good guy to expose since his contract is almost immovable at this point

he needs a plan B if cozens and casey are not ready to be a center

it's fine if they play on the wings, but they are super talented and both need to be contributing in the fall, and at least 40 point players


we can't sacrifice another season w/o playoffs in spring of 2021
- homiedclown

Idk that any of us disagree with that
BUT
where I’m coming from,
Guys like Turris, Bjugstad, etc aren’t a fix
Sure, they’re “centers”
But what’s it matter if they’re just average 3rd liners??
That’s not gonna help
It’s just more of the same non-factor players we’ve been bringing in

It’s a shame Thompson got hurt. He was developing quite well with Rochester.

I still think he can be a solid depth player for us, or at least used as a trade chip to acquire a top 6 forward
- Pegullaville

Agreed, he was starting to get it together and had a nice beginning to his season in Rochester, 6-6 in 16 games. I think he'll be a Sabre next year, just a question of where he'll fit in the lineup.

Amerks lead 2-0 end of the 1st

Mitts with the goal and he had 5 shots in the period.

Idk that any of us disagree with that
BUT
where I’m coming from,
Guys like Turris, Bjugstad, etc aren’t a fix
Sure, they’re “centers”
But what’s it matter if they’re just average 3rd liners??
That’s not gonna help
It’s just more of the same non-factor players we’ve been bringing in
- jdfitz77

He traded, Oreilly, Kane, a 1st, two 2nds, foligno, tons of mid round picks and out of that haul only Montour and Johnson is worth anything of value to us long term.

Imagine if he was competent and traded that haul for a star instead.

I spent some time today to validate that Botts has the green light to be able to reconstruct the roster in the offseason, below is what it looks like.
Summary:
- 2021 Cap Hit = $76.5m w/ $700k Hodgson Buyout incld
- Trade for 2C, allocating $6.5m, Assets used from among; Risto/Montour, Miller, McCabe, Mitts, Tage, 2021-1st, 2022-2nd (not all, just assemble the appropriate package). Need to unload 1 of Risto / Montour
- Trade / Sign UFA for 3rd Pairing LhD, allocate $2.75m ... or keep McCabe
- Trade Miller for then market value if not used in package for 2C.
- Sign UFA RhD to pair with Dahlin; older vet for 1 - 2 yrs, allocate $5m. Strahlman-ish type
- Resign RFA's:
* Reino 6 @ $7.35m
* Olofsson 3 @ $4.25m
* Lazar 2 @ $1.25m
* Larsson 2 @ $1.65m
* Pilut 4 @ 2.75m
* Montour 5 @ $5.25m
* Gilmour 2 @ $950k
* Ullmark 3 @ $2.65m

Olofsson - Eichel - Reinhart
Skinner - 2C Trade - Cozens
Johansson - Asplund - Routsalainen
Lazar - Girgs - Okposo

Dahlin - Rhd Trade
Pilut - Risto/Montour
McCabe/Trade 3rd Pair - Jokiharju

Ullmark
Hutton

Point is, IMO nothing here far fetched that Botts can't and shouldn't get done.

I know you said they don’t want to move Risto, I still fail to see how we don’t move at least one of Risto/Montour though with the need for a 2C and the fact that they’ll need to expose one or risk losing Mittelstadt to Seattle.
- Pegullaville

This is a good point
And it’s definitely a factor Botts needs to consider

Going by the 7-3-1 model of who u can protect
I think for the 3 defensemen,
Dahlin is obvious
Then 2 out of: Montour, Risto, Jokiharju, Pilut

If I’m Botts,
I’d see what they’d want to pick Miller instead of one of the above
Done deal if it’s a 3rd round pick
I’d consider a 2nd

He traded, Oreilly, Kane, a 1st, two 2nds, foligno, tons of mid round picks and out of that haul only Montour and Johnson is worth anything of value to us long term.

Imagine if he was competent and traded that haul for a star instead.
- Fattony1187

Dude, not 1 person on here BLASTED the sh!tty ROR trade like i did
But it certainly appears he was forced to move him
And that obviously played a role in the return he could get
You’ve really gotta take that out of the picture

Kane was another mess that had circumstances surrounding the trade


And it’s very convenient how u leave out him acquiring Skinner & Jokiharju,
which were both GREAT trades

He traded, Oreilly, Kane, a 1st, two 2nds, foligno, tons of mid round picks and out of that haul only Montour and Johnson is worth anything of value to us long term.

Imagine if he was competent and traded that haul for a star instead.
- Fattony1187

Skinner, Joker, Thompson still has a chance to help

Dude, not 1 person on here BLASTED the sh!tty ROR trade like i did
But it certainly appears he was forced to move him
And that obviously played a role in the return he could get
You’ve really gotta take that out of the picture

Kane was another mess that had circumstances surrounding the trade


And it’s very convenient how u leave out him acquiring Skinner & Jokiharju,
which were both GREAT trades
- jdfitz77

I didn’t conveniently leave out jokiharu since I would want him here long term, was a solid trade. The assets I mentioned above were used to acquire montour when we could of got a forward instead, Johnson and a bunch of scrubs. We could of used all that to get a stud instead. Use some critical thinking skills.

Skinner trade was good I guess, had a good year on an expiring contract costing us a better pick when our team sucked. Something we look at a failure 4 years later when Murray did it. Then signing him to an Okposo contract negated any good that trade even did.

Skinner, Joker, Thompson still has a chance to help
- Buff36

Joker trade was good, I would want him to make that trade 10/10 times, hence why I didn’t include in the assets above he could of used to package for a good forward.

Thompson is a scrub

I didn’t conveniently leave out jokiharu since I would want him here long term, was a solid trade. The assets I mentioned above were used to acquire montour when we could of got a forward instead, Johnson and a bunch of scrubs. We could of used all that to get a stud instead. Use some critical thinking skills.

Skinner trade was good I guess, had a good year on an expiring contract costing us a better pick when our team sucked. Something we look at a failure 4 years later when Murray did it. Then signing him to an Okposo contract negated any good that trade even did.
- Fattony1187

Lol
I’ll just let you go back to picking & choosing what counts & what doesn’t
Whatever makes your story sound better i guess

I didn’t conveniently leave out jokiharu since I would want him here long term, was a solid trade. The assets I mentioned above were used to acquire montour when we could of got a forward instead, Johnson and a bunch of scrubs. We could of used all that to get a stud instead. Use some critical thinking skills.

Skinner trade was good I guess, had a good year on an expiring contract costing us a better pick when our team sucked. Something we look at a failure 4 years later when Murray did it. Then signing him to an Okposo contract negated any good that trade even did.
- Fattony1187

Barstool talk with JFitz. Not worth arguing with a simpleton like him. He won’t get it

Lol
I’ll just let you go back to picking & choosing what counts & what doesn’t
Whatever makes your story sound better i guess
- jdfitz77

Ok bro. 😂

Barstool talk with JFitz. Not worth arguing with a simpleton like him. He won’t get it
- Alex the Great

U can disappear again
No one will care troll

Idk that any of us disagree with that
BUT
where I’m coming from,
Guys like Turris, Bjugstad, etc aren’t a fix
Sure, they’re “centers”
But what’s it matter if they’re just average 3rd liners??
That’s not gonna help
It’s just more of the same non-factor players we’ve been bringing in
- jdfitz77

We only have one of those and his name is Mojo

Our 4th line is the 3rd line and the 2nd line only has Skinner