here:

If I'm ranking ideas being thrown around here:

1. Bonino
2. Haula
3. Galchenyuk
4. A fart in the wind
5. Bjugstad

All low cost, in season trade ideas for players that can fill in at center. I have my doubts with 3 and 5, and 4 may be better than both.

My true target will always be Trocheck, but if the Panthers are winning, they won't let him go in season.
- TheSabresTaco

Cost of trochek will make people flip out
In the offer stripes had
Bonino doesnt give you the pick imo and he isnt that much of an upgrade over haula if im getting a pick

So injury prone is ok because he has points ? people wanted Murray hung and a really close to that with Botterill.
- SABRES 89

As your statement is framed, no, that's not acceptable. What IS acceptable is:

1. Contract - UFA at end of season
2. Cap - 0.75 more than Erod, which is a nothing.
3. Can actually win faceoffs.
4. Can play 5v5 and PP.
5. Can score goals.
6. Age - 28, can be resigned to an extremely team friendly deal.
7. Dual positional - Can play C or LW. Last I checked, this team isn't aces in scoring
8. He's actually a 50 point player.

The only real way to get one of those at this point is to draft and develop one

So in the meantime you will hear the need for a 2C

Haula is a good stop gap, just because you say he is trash doesn't mean it's true.

Is he the perfect 2C? No

Is he much better than what we have? Yes

50 point pace center (in 82 games) has more d-zone/neutral zone starts than o-zone starts and is a positive corsi player.

He produces more than enough for his $2.75 million cap hit and plays a position of a great need on this team
- Stripes77

Could you describe the type of player you would classify as an acceptable 2C?
Age range?:
Average Pts or PPG?:
Contract Term Remaining?:
Contract AVV range?:
FO win %?:
Corsi For?:

Help us to understand what you would like to see.

Well I disagree with that. But I agree with you that trading for him now given his contract situation and the Sabres position in the standings doesn't make much sense.

I'd be after him in the summer though. The sabres will need to fill 4 middle 6 spots
- jcragcrumple

This whole thing started with the idea of McCabe for Haula and a 2nd round pick

The idea of getting a 2nd for McCabe is laughable in itself but to add a player to this that could help the rest of the year is a huge win.

It isn't a realistic trade at all

However Haula the player would fill a temporary spot in the lineup

Ehlers was benched last night because he's not good at playing man to man defense in the Dzone.
Just saying.

Cost of trochek will make people flip out
In the offer stripes had
Bonino doesnt give you the pick imo and he isnt that much of an upgrade over haula if im getting a pick
- hubie

Look, end of the day, yeah you can go get one of these short term guys, but if you're getting one of them, you should have a plan for him for next year to properly place him within your lineup.

Ehlers was benched last night because he's not good at playing man to man defense in the Dzone.
Just saying.
- adambuffalo

not the first time he has been benched

How hard is it to figure out, we need a true number 2 center and that's what you trade for not these scrub players and giving up picks that everyone keeps complain about that we need.
- SABRES 89

There isn't a person here who disagrees with this.

not the first time he has been benched
- homiedclown

Reinhart and next 2 1st round picks, said the smartest guy in the room.

here:

If I'm ranking ideas being thrown around here:

1. Bonino
2. Haula
3. Galchenyuk
4. A fart in the wind
5. Bjugstad

All low cost, in season trade ideas for players that can fill in at center. I have my doubts with 3 and 5, and 4 may be better than both.

My true target will always be Trocheck, but if the Panthers are winning, they won't let him go in season.
- TheSabresTaco

Could you describe the type of player you would classify as an acceptable 2C?
Age range?:
Average Pts or PPG?:
Contract Term Remaining?:
Contract AVV range?:
FO win %?:
Corsi For?:

Help us to understand what you would like to see.

which top 6 is better

olofsson-eichel-reinhart
skinner-johansson-sheary


or olofsson-eichel-reinhart
skinner-haula-johansson


asking for a friend

which top 6 is better

olofsson-eichel-reinhart
skinner-johansson-sheary


or olofsson-eichel-reinhart
skinner-haula-johansson


asking for a friend
- homiedclown

I mean, you made this post shorter than I was able to. So, nice.

Same question here.
What is an acceptable player profile to you for a 2C?
- IonSabres

Obligatory ROR response.

Zibanejad
Trocheck
Larkin
Hertl
Kadri

Just to name a few.

Could you describe the type of player you would classify as an acceptable 2C?
Age range?:
Average Pts or PPG?:
Contract Term Remaining?:
Contract AVV range?:
FO win %?:
Corsi For?:

Help us to understand what you would like to see.
- IonSabres

For me:

Age range doesn't really matter as long as they can play
Point wise: 45-55 points preferably 60 plus but that doesn't happen very often
Contract: $5 million or less
Term: Based on said players age
FO%: Not a big deal to me as he isn't taking key draws in the offensive zone with the game on the line (1C's job) and isn't going to be the guy taking draws int he D zone late with the game tied (LOG line)
Corsi for: above 50% ideally but again you can't just go by Corsi

I want a player that is responsible enough in their own end yet can produce well enough to have a real second line.

Obligatory ROR response.

Zibanejad
Trocheck
Larkin
Hertl
Kadri

Just to name a few.
- BeadyEyedDouche

It helps, thanks

Look, end of the day, yeah you can go get one of these short term guys, but if you're getting one of them, you should have a plan for him for next year to properly place him within your lineup.
- TheSabresTaco

Agreed

DO NOT RUSH COZENS

Reinhart and next 2 1st round picks, said the smartest guy in the room.
- TheSabresTaco

Could you describe the type of player you would classify as an acceptable 2C?
Age range?:
Average Pts or PPG?:
Contract Term Remaining?:
Contract AVV range?:
FO win %?:
Corsi For?:

Help us to understand what you would like to see.
- IonSabres

Long term:

Age Range: 18-29
Avg PPG: 0.6-1.0
Contract Term: RFA or a few years of UFA. Flexible.
AAV Range: Up to 7.5M
FO Win %: Above 50
CF%: Above 51

Look, end of the day, yeah you can go get one of these short term guys, but if you're getting one of them, you should have a plan for him for next year to properly place him within your lineup.
- TheSabresTaco

Isnt everyones plan of the years following this one to be Cozens?
so 3 month filler and a 2nd seems better than sitting doing nothing and getting nothing and having the same end game of cozens

Agreed

DO NOT RUSH COZENS
- Stripes77

But thats what everyone wants to do, you know cause its worked so well in the past

Obligatory ROR response.

Zibanejad
Trocheck
Larkin
Hertl
Kadri

Just to name a few.
- BeadyEyedDouche

There was some debate as to whether it would be enough, but if the Wings called and offered him for Cozens, 2019 unprotected 1st and UPL, do you say yes?

Isnt everyones plan of the years following this one to be Cozens?
so 3 month filler and a 2nd seems better than sitting doing nothing and getting nothing and having the same end game of cozens
- hubie

Unless Trocheck or Zibanijad falls into your laps, get yourself a short term 2C and move him around if Cozens is that great. Like Stripes said, depending on Mittelstadt or Cozens to be absolutely ready is insanely poor management.

There was some debate as to whether it would be enough, but if the Wings called and offered him for Cozens, 2019 unprotected 1st and UPL, do you say yes?
- jcragcrumple

No. But I'd do straight for Cozens. I think they'll have very similar careers.

For me:

Age range doesn't really matter as long as they can play
Point wise: 45-55 points preferably 60 plus but that doesn't happen very often
Contract: $5 million or less
Term: Based on said players age
FO%: Not a big deal to me as he isn't taking key draws in the offensive zone with the game on the line (1C's job) and isn't going to be the guy taking draws int he D zone late with the game tied (LOG line)
Corsi for: above 50% ideally but again you can't just go by Corsi

I want a player that is responsible enough in their own end yet can produce well enough to have a real second line.
- Stripes77

Thanks

No. But I'd do straight for Cozens. I think they'll have very similar careers.
- TheSabresTaco

The red wings obviously wouldnt though. No one trades a proven commodity like that straight up for one prospect