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adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

Jan 20 @ 1:19 PM ET
Tony Romo could end up making more as a broadcaster than he did as a quarterback at this pace.

https://frntofficesport.com/tony-romo-espn/

- buffalofan19

Not gonna lie. If two games were on I've chosen which game to watch based on which one Romo was announcing. He's very good.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 20 @ 1:21 PM ET
Not gonna lie. If two games were on I've chosen which game to watch based on which one Romo was announcing. He's very good.
- adambuffalo



Oh, I agree. I'm not saying he is or is not worth the money. I just think it's remarkable that he is going to make more as a broadcaster than a player in this era.
thatsapickle
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 03.08.2012

Jan 20 @ 1:22 PM ET
Anything gonna happen this week?
- Stripes77



While I'd love to believe that the Sabres are in on the guys that Ek has posted, I think this team is closer to selling off spare parts than it is to acquiring anything of interest.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 20 @ 1:25 PM ET
50-55 pt RW does nothing? You lost me there.
Namesnitkov at 3C producing 41 Pts does nothing?
I suppose a 50-55 pt Gally would do nothing either.
...
Well, except help a team absolutely dying for secondary scoring.
Frolik plays a good game for a 4th liner at 20 pts is not in the same universe production wise.

C'mon man.

- IonSabres



Mediocre players excel on bad teams all the time. You can pick 20+ examples every season. There's a reason Zemgus Girgensons had his best season under Ted Nolan.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jan 20 @ 1:49 PM ET
Mediocre players excel on bad teams all the time. You can pick 20+ examples every season. There's a reason Zemgus Girgensons had his best season under Ted Nolan.
- buffalofan19


It is kinda funny here...
- Sabres are not a good team, they offer exactly what these mediocre players received when they went to their new team...playing time. Sabres have 2RW, 3RW, 2C and 3C openings. Asplund is the only one playing one of those positions (normally) at 3C. Namestnikov and Fabbri both have the wheels to play 2nd line with Skinner...who know what happens there. If it fails, who cares at those prices .., I mean a F with heart condition should be equal to a Dman with two bum hips, lol (just kidding, sort of). In any event, they both or one of could have fallen down a line if production failed.

- also, I hear the argument of mediocre players benefitting from playing with better teams with more talent...you could make the argument for Namestnikov playing with better players in Ottawa, but Fabbri isn't playing with great players in Detroit.

These are a miss in my book. Only reason why I can think of, since Sabres have better junk to get rid of in Sheary, Vesey (playing better lately), Miller (I like him actually, just needs consistent partner and playing more than 1 in 3) Girgs, Erod, Nelson, Gilmour.... is the Cap hits associated with a few of them.
adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

Jan 20 @ 1:56 PM ET
50-55 pt RW does nothing? You lost me there.
Namesnitkov at 3C producing 41 Pts does nothing?
I suppose a 50-55 pt Gally would do nothing either.
...
Well, except help a team absolutely dying for secondary scoring.
Frolik plays a good game for a 4th liner at 20 pts is not in the same universe production wise.

C'mon man.

- IonSabres

Namesnitkov had 31 points for the Rags and even with them retaining salary he still is a $3.25m cap hit. He was traded after playing just 2 games with NY this season. We would not have been able to make that trade with them because they were not looking to take salary back.
Fabbri could have worked, however he has had issues with staying healthy. After an ACL tear he had a separated shoulder and only played 32 games last year scoring 6 points. When he was healthy he was scratched several times. Good for him getting a second chance in Detroit, but with his 11g and 12a in 41 games you also get his -22. When St Louis traded him he had 1g in 9 games while getting 65% Ozone starts.
petersteffan
Season Ticket Holder
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Elma, NY
Joined: 12.06.2006

Jan 20 @ 2:00 PM ET
Nice article!
Thanks
TC4145
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 03.03.2019

Jan 20 @ 2:04 PM ET
It is kinda funny here...
- Sabres are not a good team, they offer exactly what these mediocre players received when they went to their new team...playing time. Sabres have 2RW, 3RW, 2C and 3C openings. Asplund is the only one playing one of those positions (normally) at 3C. Namestnikov and Fabbri both have the wheels to play 2nd line with Skinner...who know what happens there. If it fails, who cares at those prices .., I mean a F with heart condition should be equal to a Dman with two bum hips, lol (just kidding, sort of). In any event, they both or one of could have fallen down a line if production failed.

- also, I hear the argument of mediocre players benefitting from playing with better teams with more talent...you could make the argument for Namestnikov playing with better players in Ottawa, but Fabbri isn't playing with great players in Detroit.

These are a miss in my book. Only reason why I can think of, since Sabres have better junk to get rid of in Sheary, Vesey (playing better lately), Miller (I like him actually, just needs consistent partner and playing more than 1 in 3) Girgs, Erod, Nelson, Gilmour.... is the Cap hits associated with a few of them.

- IonSabres


A miss? I ask how so:

Do we know whether we had an asset in order to make the trade? Just because a trade was made does not mean the same trade could have been made by any other teams, other than the ones that were involved.
If it is a draft pick, regardless of round, was the Sabres draft pick in the right place?
Do people trust Botts?
Does Botts trust the other GMs?
Who knows if they offered a trade and it was not accepted by the other side?

Missed I think is a deceptive description.

I am on the side of, these moves did not fit for the Sabres for whatever reason - including the fact that these players were not on our radar.


Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jan 20 @ 2:08 PM ET
It is kinda funny here...
- Sabres are not a good team, they offer exactly what these mediocre players received when they went to their new team...playing time. Sabres have 2RW, 3RW, 2C and 3C openings. Asplund is the only one playing one of those positions (normally) at 3C. Namestnikov and Fabbri both have the wheels to play 2nd line with Skinner...who know what happens there. If it fails, who cares at those prices .., I mean a F with heart condition should be equal to a Dman with two bum hips, lol (just kidding, sort of). In any event, they both or one of could have fallen down a line if production failed.

- also, I hear the argument of mediocre players benefitting from playing with better teams with more talent...you could make the argument for Namestnikov playing with better players in Ottawa, but Fabbri isn't playing with great players in Detroit.

These are a miss in my book. Only reason why I can think of, since Sabres have better junk to get rid of in Sheary, Vesey (playing better lately), Miller (I like him actually, just needs consistent partner and playing more than 1 in 3) Girgs, Erod, Nelson, Gilmour.... is the Cap hits associated with a few of them.

- IonSabres


His most frequent line is with Bertuzzi and Larkin. The flip side to that argument is that players produce better when they play higher in the lineup and get more PP time.


buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 20 @ 2:10 PM ET
His most frequent line is with Bertuzzi and Larkin. The flip side to that argument is that players produce better when they play higher in the lineup and get more PP time.
- Lunaion



Here's another side. A team that has Robbi Fabbri that high in the lineup isn't going to be very good. The Sabres need someone that high in the lineup that can make a dent in the win column.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 20 @ 2:37 PM ET
Day 900:

Trades are hard

- jcragcrumple


Do u see other teams making trades right now that would help us?

No?
Ok, spare us then please
Lunaion
Joined: 05.23.2016

Jan 20 @ 2:48 PM ET
Here's another side. A team that has Robbi Fabbri that high in the lineup isn't going to be very good. The Sabres need someone that high in the lineup that can make a dent in the win column.
- buffalofan19


That's been the Sabres problem for years. Someone puts up decent points playing too high in the lineup and getting too much ToI + PP, so we think they are better than they are. ERod is a classic example.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Jan 20 @ 2:57 PM ET
Do u see other teams making trades right now that would help us?

No?
Ok, spare us then please

- jdfitz77


Inter-organizational transactions are difficult
Sabretooth9
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.24.2019

Jan 20 @ 2:58 PM ET
Do u see other teams making trades right now that would help us?

No?
Ok, spare us then please

- jdfitz77


I’ve given up hope with botts actually making a trade for a 2C
Michael Ghofrani
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.14.2020

Jan 20 @ 2:59 PM ET
That's been the Sabres problem for years. Someone puts up decent points playing too high in the lineup and getting too much ToI + PP, so we think they are better than they are. ERod is a classic example.
- Lunaion



It's where relative stats and context can be useful. Everybody's going to look bad on a bad team, but rel stats and isolated impact can show us who's carrying and who's just happy to be along for the ride.

Like in your Fabbri example. His stats are solid, even relative to his teammates, but significantly worse than Larkin's or Bertuzzi's. So the line works but you wouldn't break the bank for Fabbri.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 20 @ 2:59 PM ET
My buddy went to the game with a bunch of people and saw Jack, Sam, and Bogo on Broadway after the game.
- thatsapickle


Maybe we’ve found our reason that Bogo is in the lineup over Miller?
Michael Ghofrani
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 01.14.2020

Jan 20 @ 2:59 PM ET
Nice article!
Thanks

- petersteffan



Thank you!
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 20 @ 3:03 PM ET
Do u see other teams making trades right now that would help us?

No?
Ok, spare us then please

- jdfitz77



What we don't see, though, is the other side of the coin. If you're going to make that argument, you have to factor in that we have no idea what trade offers were turned down, either, which could be a positive or a negative. Remember, Darcy Regier was supposedly offered Jarome Iginla for Peca, and he turned it down. Boston supposedly offered Seguin for Vanek.
thatsapickle
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Dallas, TX
Joined: 03.08.2012

Jan 20 @ 3:05 PM ET
Maybe we’ve found our reason that Bogo is in the lineup over Miller?
- jdfitz77



He's friends with Jack?
adambuffalo
Buffalo Sabres
Location: United States, NY
Joined: 01.30.2007

Jan 20 @ 3:13 PM ET
He's friends with Jack?
- thatsapickle

jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 20 @ 3:17 PM ET
Admittedly, trade season is slow until late January, but here are a couple smart trades that could have helped the Sabres...didn't cost much either.

Detroit, on pace for one of the worst records in recent history with a projected 43 pts, managed to pull off a smart deal with the reigning SC Champions for RW Robbi Fabbri. He is producing at a 0.69 ppg clip since joining said last place team. The cost, a 25 yo forward who had heart surgery earlier in the year, lol.
Not that we need a 2RW or even 3RW though....but honestly, I just think Botts has Army's phone number blocked, which makes total sense.

Ottawa, 4th last in the league, traded for Namestikov utilizing a former 7th rounder AHL RIGHT HAND Defenseman. Namesitkov is playing LW and producing at 0.50 ppg pace...he formerly played C for Tampa for 3-1/2 years.

That is some hot garbage going the other way.

Next, I'm sure I'll hear teams never move 2C's, lol.

- IonSabres


Actually, Namestnikov played mostly LW with Tampa
For example, in the ONE year he was good, Stamkos was his center

But don’t let facts stop ya
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 20 @ 3:22 PM ET
I’ve given up hope with botts actually making a trade for a 2C
- Sabretooth9


Don’t get me wrong...
I’d love for Botts to make some good trades that make us better

I’m just not gonna b!tch up a storm on here every freaking day about it
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 20 @ 3:24 PM ET
What we don't see, though, is the other side of the coin. If you're going to make that argument, you have to factor in that we have no idea what trade offers were turned down, either, which could be a positive or a negative. Remember, Darcy Regier was supposedly offered Jarome Iginla for Peca, and he turned it down. Boston supposedly offered Seguin for Vanek.
- buffalofan19


Fair, but i also can’t assume Botts is turning down trades he feels are good either

Take Toffoli for example
89 has said we’ve talked to LA,
but they want A LOT

I’m more than ok not paying “a lot” for him

Sometimes the best move you make is NOT making the trade
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Jan 20 @ 3:26 PM ET
He's friends with Jack?
- thatsapickle


I don’t wanna assume that’s the reason,
but maybe it plays a factor?

Supposedly they’ve been tight for a while

I saw them (plus a few others, incl ROR) at a Dropkick Murphys show a few years ago
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 20 @ 3:28 PM ET
I don’t wanna assume that’s the reason,
but maybe it plays a factor?

Supposedly they’ve been tight for a while

I saw them (plus a few others, incl ROR) at a Dropkick Murphys show a few years ago

- jdfitz77



Didn't Bogosian let Eichel live with him and his family during his rookie year?
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