The Jets were 20-11-2 before Svechnikov dunked on them.

They're 5-10-2 since then.
- BINGO!

24th in possession, they were due.

The media narrative is driven by what's happening right now. The Leafs win three in a row and it's back to celebrations and love. The Leafs go on a week-long break, and the schedule aligns, and they are 3 points out. They'd have 47 points and be 13 points out if they had continued to play at the same pace under Babcock.

There's 33 games to go. If the Leafs play at their current pace (which considers the 9-10-3 start under Babcock), they're in line for about a 96pt finish which is pretty tight. If the Leafs play at the pace established under Keefe for the 27 games he's been on the bench, that's a 100pt finish.

They were 6pts off pace when Babcock was fired. Keefe righting the ship to a 102 / 104pt team still means those missing 6pts can play havoc.
- Monkeypunk

So.. Another first round exit. How exciting.

looking at the raptors roster it's a wonder how they even won the championship last season with kawhi, now they don't have him and they are still winning games with this roster.
- ug0tbeef?

Go look at their record last year without Kawhi playing

what a great run the leafs had under keefe. but now there's 33 games remaining and the leafs are not even holding on to a playoff spot. the glaring need for about 2.5 years has been defensively and overall team toughness, is this reminding anyone about the kessel era yet? and in this time instead of making the necessary improvements the leafs made their defense worse on top of firing their coach. now the new coach has the team sitting out of a playoff spot at the all star break even after an excellent run.

dubas has the team cap maxed out.
dubas decided to fire babcok for his guy sheldon keefe.
dubas got rid of any and all players with any grit or defensive ability leading to the 7th worst pk% and 4th highest goals against in the league.
dubas has not addressed his weak defense. why does he keep re-signing marincin?
dubas decided to pay 3 players 11 million dollars per season.
dubas let nylander miss half a season before signing him.
dubas waived curtis mcelhinney because he thought garret sparks was going to take over the backup role without an issue and the leafs haven't had a solid backup since.

it's fairly obvious at this point that the leafs are not going to win the stanley cup this season and so that means, the leafs are now down to the final 4 years of auston matthews contract and no cap space to make significant moves in the areas that require upgrades until ceci and barrie are off the books. unless dubas can start to fall out of love with some of his star offensive young players and realize that he might have to move one of them to shore up different areas of the team before the leafs become the edmonton oilers of the last decade.

-beef?-
- ug0tbeef?

Meat pot sufficiently stirred up in the Philly boards, thought you come over and stir up your poop here too?

If Provorov and Sanheim were hurt and Philly were playing Hagg and Friedman more, you'd notice some problems as well. That, more than anything else, has led to the bump in the past few games. Couple that with some inconsistent goaltending and everything else is noise.

The stat citations you want to use are heavily influenced by the slow start under Babcock. If you want to come back with your comparative analysis of how the Leafs have been since November 22nd, you can keep stirring your beef pot and maybe some unfortunate soul will take a bit of that poop pie.

what a great run the leafs had under keefe. but now there's 33 games remaining and the leafs are not even holding on to a playoff spot. the glaring need for about 2.5 years has been defensively and overall team toughness, is this reminding anyone about the kessel era yet? and in this time instead of making the necessary improvements the leafs made their defense worse on top of firing their coach. now the new coach has the team sitting out of a playoff spot at the all star break even after an excellent run.

dubas has the team cap maxed out.
dubas decided to fire babcok for his guy sheldon keefe.
dubas got rid of any and all players with any grit or defensive ability leading to the 7th worst pk% and 4th highest goals against in the league.
dubas has not addressed his weak defense. why does he keep re-signing marincin?
dubas decided to pay 3 players 11 million dollars per season.
dubas let nylander miss half a season before signing him.
dubas waived curtis mcelhinney because he thought garret sparks was going to take over the backup role without an issue and the leafs haven't had a solid backup since.

it's fairly obvious at this point that the leafs are not going to win the stanley cup this season and so that means, the leafs are now down to the final 4 years of auston matthews contract and no cap space to make significant moves in the areas that require upgrades until ceci and barrie are off the books. unless dubas can start to fall out of love with some of his star offensive young players and realize that he might have to move one of them to shore up different areas of the team before the leafs become the edmonton oilers of the last decade.

-beef?-
- ug0tbeef?

there is way too much here to really bother with, but holy F.
But Dubas did not get rid of any and all grit or defensive ability. Its not a conscious decision to rid the team of a certain thing. He values skill above most things. Adding Muzzin because he is good, and brings a certain toughness/grit whatever...

Hey, great post!

But instead of putting up a wall of text, maybe you could just say that under Keefe, the Leafs had the best winning percentage in the NHL, until they lost their top two defencemen to injury.

But seriously, great post.

You're not butthurt at all.

Say hi to Komisaurus Rex for me, mmmmmkay?
- Atomic Wedgie

yeah losing rielly for 10 days and muzzin for 3 weeks is the only reason why the leafs can't keep the puck out of their own net regular strength and on the penalty kill.


-beef?-

what a great run the leafs had under keefe. but now there's 33 games remaining and the leafs are not even holding on to a playoff spot. the glaring need for about 2.5 years has been defensively and overall team toughness, is this reminding anyone about the kessel era yet? and in this time instead of making the necessary improvements the leafs made their defense worse on top of firing their coach. now the new coach has the team sitting out of a playoff spot at the all star break even after an excellent run.

dubas has the team cap maxed out.
dubas decided to fire babcok for his guy sheldon keefe.
dubas got rid of any and all players with any grit or defensive ability leading to the 7th worst pk% and 4th highest goals against in the league.
dubas has not addressed his weak defense. why does he keep re-signing marincin?
dubas decided to pay 3 players 11 million dollars per season.
dubas let nylander miss half a season before signing him.
dubas waived curtis mcelhinney because he thought garret sparks was going to take over the backup role without an issue and the leafs haven't had a solid backup since.

it's fairly obvious at this point that the leafs are not going to win the stanley cup this season and so that means, the leafs are now down to the final 4 years of auston matthews contract and no cap space to make significant moves in the areas that require upgrades until ceci and barrie are off the books. unless dubas can start to fall out of love with some of his star offensive young players and realize that he might have to move one of them to shore up different areas of the team before the leafs become the edmonton oilers of the last decade.

-beef?-
- ug0tbeef?

Welcome back Walshy!

Keep telling yourself it's luck. Keeps the club in business.
- aminnes

way to miss the point lol

I find it humorous that the old dinosaurs .. Lou and Trotz just go and win wherever with their systems..
While everybody else under the sun tries to reinvent the wheel...
- dozerD10

Trotz hasn't won jack poop outside of Washington.

What he's done is develop a system that allows a cheap team or one lacking in talent to stay competitive (as long as goaltending holds) during the regular season, and then burn out come playoff time.

15 years as a head coach in Nashville. 19 playoff games won.


Lou Lamoriello last won a Stanley Cup 17 years ago. There are like 5 guys left in the entire league who were around the last time he won a cup.

Welcome back Walshy!
- Steven_Seagull

Trotz hasn't won jack poop outside of Washington.

What he's done is develop a system that allows a cheap team or one lacking in talent to stay competitive (as long as goaltending holds) during the regular season, and then burn out come playoff time.

15 years as a head coach in Nashville. 19 playoff games won.


Lou Lamoriello last won a Stanley Cup 17 years ago. There are like 5 guys left in the entire league who were around the last time he won a cup.
- BINGO!

Get out of here with your facts.

Lou hasn't won is 17 years thats fine....Dubas hasn't won in 2? (frank)ing bum

So.. Another first round exit. How exciting.
- aminnes

Honestly, we'll see. I don't think so. I don't think they're built foundationally sound enough to win the cup, but they have the tools to be successful now. That said, playoff heroes are discovered when they arrive, not before. I don't know what if anything is coming anymore than you do.

To be honest, when the Leafs came out and played toe-to-toe physically with the Bruins who were supposed to steamroll them last year, I was surprised. This year the narrative is the same or even louder. Let's see what happens when the playoffs arrive.

Trotz hasn't won jack poop outside of Washington.

What he's done is develop a system that allows a cheap team or one lacking in talent to stay competitive (as long as goaltending holds) during the regular season, and then burn out come playoff time.

15 years as a head coach in Nashville. 19 playoff games won.


Lou Lamoriello last won a Stanley Cup 17 years ago. There are like 5 guys left in the entire league who were around the last time he won a cup.
- BINGO!

Are you tired of all that winning?!?!

there is way too much here to really bother with, but holy F.
But Dubas did not get rid of any and all grit or defensive ability. Its not a conscious decision to rid the team of a certain thing. He values skill above most things. Adding Muzzin because he is good, and brings a certain toughness/grit whatever...
- senstroll

kadri hainsey marleau

-beef?-

yeah losing rielly for 10 days and muzzin for 3 weeks is the only reason why the leafs can't keep the puck out of their own net regular strength and on the penalty kill.


-beef?-
- ug0tbeef?

Leafs are 16-7-5 with Keefe and the team save% is under .900. Just imagine if we got decent goaltending?

Honestly, we'll see. I don't think so. I don't think they're built foundationally sound enough to win the cup, but they have the tools to be successful now. That said, playoff heroes are discovered when they arrive, not before. I don't know what if anything is coming anymore than you do.

To be honest, when the Leafs came out and played toe-to-toe physically with the Bruins who were supposed to steamroll them last year, I was surprised. This year the narrative is the same or even louder. Let's see what happens when the playoffs arrive.
- Monkeypunk

They lost last year because their special teams were god awful. They removed the problem (Babcock).

kadri hainsey marleau

-beef?-
- ug0tbeef?

Marleau and Hainsey? You think those were our tough guys? The 2 guys at 40 years of age.?

Leafs are 16-7-5 with Keefe and the team save% is under .900. Just imagine if we got decent goaltending?
- PatC80

*waits for Garnie to post something about 2on1s*

Leafs are 16-7-5 with Keefe and the team save% is under .900. Just imagine if we got decent goaltending?
- PatC80

blaming freddy andersen now? really?

wow.

-beef?-

*waits for Garnie to post something about 2on1s*
- Steven_Seagull

It's on the team to come together and do what they can to make sure Freddy closes his legs.

blaming freddy andersen now? really?

wow.

-beef?-
- ug0tbeef?

The numbers are just proof. How many top tier teams have a team save % below .900?

kadri hainsey marleau

-beef?-
- ug0tbeef?

are you saying the Leafs would be a better team with those 3 players?
Over..whoever it is, Kerfoot, Barrie who ever was replacing Marleau (Mickey/Engvall?)

If they kept Patty then they have to trade someone or not sign Marner.
but anyways

are you saying the Leafs would be a better team with those 3 players?
Over..whoever it is, Kerfoot, Barrie who ever was replacing Marleau (Mickey/Engvall?)

If they kept Patty then they have to trade someone or not sign Marner.
but anyways
- senstroll

Keep Marleau trade Marner..

The numbers are just proof. How many top tier teams have a team save % below .900?
- PatC80

how many teams give up scoring chances like the leafs?

without freddy the leafs are further down the standings, believe that.

-beef?-

yeah losing rielly for 10 days and muzzin for 3 weeks is the only reason why the leafs can't keep the puck out of their own net regular strength and on the penalty kill.


-beef?-
- ug0tbeef?

Can you please stop lobbing softballs at me?

From the time that Keefe took over up until and including the game that Muzzin got injured, here's the numbers:

17 games, 25 points. 69 goals for, 50 goals against.

Extrapolated over an 82 game season, that would work out to:

121 points.

333 goals for (that would have been 1st in 2018-19)

241 goals against (that would have been tied with Pittsburgh for 14th in 2018=19)

+92 goal differential (that would have been 2nd in 2018-19)

Oddly enough, the numbers start to slide when Muzzin gets hurt, and get worse when Rielly gets hurt.

Do you enjoy coming around these parts to be a punching bag?

You suck at trolling, son.

Sorry about your butt-hurt. Say hi to Komisaurus Rex for me, mmmmmkay?