I know your take on Ceci, but honestly, if the Leafs were so inclined, he'd be movable at the TDL for a mid-round pick. His salary is basically a $1.1m cap hit at the TDL and by now with injuries or various other callups and so on, will have some wiggle room there.

The Marleau deal sucked, but it has left us in the position Roger likes to gloat about.
- Monkeypunk

being bent over

Hey don't look at my man boobs.

Ceci.

And Marleau was a bitter pill to swallow.

But I still like your post.
- Atomic Wedgie

Ceci can 100% be moved. He's UFA,

And Marleau was because of Lou who loves overpaying aging supporting guys.

that we are minus a 1st?
- Tumbleweed

That we have no untradeable contracts.

Would you rather be minus a first or minus Johnsson and Kapanen?

Because to fit the contracts in with Marner's new deal, $6m needed to be cleared up.

Even if we all agree that Marner's contract is high and Matthews' is as well, it doesn't matter that under realistic dollars if Marleau had stayed, those two would have been gone.

willy has talent.

it's not a question on whether the deal will be good value. that's likely.

it's will it ever be great value like huberdeau is this year? doubtful.
- Tumbleweed

Damn, that measuring stick keeps moving.

The problem is that to get great value in the future, the guy had to not be great at the time more often than not.
- AdamFrench

huberdeau put up some decent seasons before signing is long-term contract.

willy has talent.

it's not a question on whether the deal will be good value. that's likely.

it's will it ever be great value like huberdeau is this year? doubtful.
- Tumbleweed

This ignores the situation. Huberdeau when he signed his contract, signed at 8.08% of the cap, but he had 15 goal and 20 goal seasons under his belt, with point totals in 54 and 59 range. His first year was pretty unspectacular.

Nylander signed his at 8.76%, but he had a 22 goal and 20 goal season, both @ 61pts. His first year was also unremarkable, really. Overall, though, his numbers were a bit better than Huberdeau's.

Barkov had 1 good year under his belt when he signed his deal.

Nylander's deal is perfectly fine - maybe a couple hundred thousand on the higher side of his peers at the time. You can say that both Marner and Matthews are over, but there's really nothing off with Willy's.

That we have no untradeable contracts.

Would you rather be minus a first or minus Johnsson and Kapanen?

Because to fit the contracts in with Marner's new deal, $6m needed to be cleared up.

Even if we all agree that Marner's contract is high and Matthews' is as well, it doesn't matter that under realistic dollars if Marleau had stayed, those two would have been gone.
- Monkeypunk

Matthews on pace for just short of 60 goals and Marner playing at a 100 point pace.

Doesn't seem so bad anymore

Damn, that measuring stick keeps moving.
- The Law

He also won't be as good as Point, McDavid, Eichel . . . also, you know what? He's a garbage goalie! Probably only marginally better than Hutchinson; why is he making more than $700k?

huberdeau put up some decent seasons before signing is long-term contract.
- Tumbleweed

He had a bridge deal and he never hit 60 points until after his now amazing deal. Again I would love to have some sweet ass deals, but unfourtunately Nylander had his disastrous Huberdeau style season the year he had already signed instead of before it.

Damn, that measuring stick keeps moving.
- The Law

maybe there is reason we are out of the playoffs behind Bos, TB and Fla. hmmmm....

projected cost/per point over 82 games for top 4 Atlantic teams highest paid forwards.

Player Project points cost/point
Huberdeau 109 $54,099
Marchand 104 $58,815
Pastrnak 112 $59,344
Barkov 90 $65,410
Bergeron 80 $85,553
Point 77 $87,571
Stamkos 93 $91,733
Nylander 74 $94,341
Kucherov 97 $98,181
Marner 103 $106,273
Krejci 66 $109,154
Matthews 97 $120,236
Tavares 76 $144,243

Matthews on pace for just short of 60 goals and Marner playing at a 100 point pace.

Doesn't seem so bad anymore
- TheMussel

It feels great that they're producing, but the contracts are still high compared to the historical performance of their peers. If I took other guys who had produced the same way, I could probably find citations to say that Eichel signing 8x10 should have put Matthews in the 8x11 conversation, but reasonably the 5x10 conversation if you shorten term. Maybe 5x10.5.

Marner is great at what he does and is an elite point producer, there's no doubt. He fits really well into the Eichel comparable as well. So if Eichel gets 8x10, and Marner is at a 6 year term, should he be at 10.9 or perhaps closer to 9.8?

huberdeau put up some decent seasons before signing is long-term contract.
- Tumbleweed

Agreed ....his deal was 8.1% of Cap.

Willies' was 8.75% ....

Not bad.

But its okay for Quinn Hughes?

Also, we already burned a year off his ELC.
- LeafGuy89

We just did this. This is an important consideration in this cap era. The clock starts ticking now... Sandin is smooth and can help us for sure...

It feels great that they're producing, but the contracts are still high compared to the historical performance of their peers. If I took other guys who had produced the same way, I could probably find citations to say that Eichel signing 8x10 should have put Matthews in the 8x11 conversation, but reasonably the 5x10 conversation if you shorten term. Maybe 5x10.5.

Marner is great at what he does and is an elite point producer, there's no doubt. He fits really well into the Eichel comparable as well. So if Eichel gets 8x10, and Marner is at a 6 year term, should he be at 10.9 or perhaps closer to 9.8?
- Monkeypunk

The issue is, going forward all stars will get more than them. This includes the guys who signed 2-3 year deals that people only compared cap hits and ignored term.

Leafs have 2 22 year-old superstars locked-up.

And don't forget, If Eichel signed 2 years alter would he have still gotten 10 million per? Unlikely. % of cap is much more important stat to look at.

maybe there is reason we are out of the playoffs behind Bos, TB and Fla. hmmmm....

projected cost/per point over 82 games for top 4 Atlantic teams highest paid forwards.

Player Project points cost/point
Huberdeau 109 $54,099
Marchand 104 $58,815
Pastrnak 112 $59,344
Barkov 90 $65,410
Bergeron 80 $85,553
Point 77 $87,571
Stamkos 93 $91,733
Nylander 74 $94,341
Kucherov 97 $98,181
Marner 103 $106,273
Krejci 66 $109,154
Matthews 97 $120,236
Tavares 76 $144,243
- Tumbleweed

Barkov is a stoopid good contract. He shouldn't be the measuring stick for all other contracts. The PA probably has his face on their clubhouse dart board ...right beside McDavid and Pasternak.

Huberdeaus having a season. Measure over the whole and it'll flatten out. There are reasons that you're ignoring.

Point signed a 3 yr deal ...it'll cost them more one day.

Bergeron and Marchand signed their deals in what year?

Don't worry about our stars having big cap hits guys. Dubas will never do something far dumber like giving Kassian a deal like Holland just did.

DO NOT overpay supporting guys. Dubas is lights-out on this. Jason Spezza at the NHl minimum is amazing.

maybe there is reason we are out of the playoffs behind Bos, TB and Fla. hmmmm....

projected cost/per point over 82 games for top 4 Atlantic teams highest paid forwards.

Player Project points cost/point
Huberdeau 109 $54,099
Marchand 104 $58,815
Pastrnak 112 $59,344
Barkov 90 $65,410
Bergeron 80 $85,553
Point 77 $87,571
Stamkos 93 $91,733
Nylander 74 $94,341
Kucherov 97 $98,181
Marner 103 $106,273
Krejci 66 $109,154
Matthews 97 $120,236
Tavares 76 $144,243
- Tumbleweed

Now do bottom 6 on all those teams....Boston and Tampa are spending significantly more $ for less production.

People only care about "Stars" cap hits, but it's the bottom 6 that's a killer.

If Leafs had Keefe all year they'd be ahead of Boston and Tampa.

BTW, how's that 10 million per for Babrovsky looking for Florida? They could get a 3 million per goalie with better numbers. Did you know Florida has no state taxes?

Boston undid a lot of their good with contracts with that horrific Charlie Coyle deal.

Now do bottom 6 on all those teams....Boston and Tampa are spending significantly more $ for less production.

People only care about "Stars" cap hits, but it's the bottom 6 that's a killer.

If Leafs had Keefe all year they'd be ahead of Boston and Tampa.

BTW, how's that 10 million per for Babrovsky looking for Florida? They could get a 3 million per goalie with better numbers. Did you know Florida has no state taxes?
- RogerRoeper

I was going to ask how in the world could you know that, but then I realized it was you Roger.

Boston undid a lot of their good with contracts with that horrific Charlie Coyle deal.
- RogerRoeper

Coyle's the one you have a problem with? I'd go 1. Backes 2. 2015 draft

Boston undid a lot of their good with contracts with that horrific Charlie Coyle deal.
- RogerRoeper

?

He got one less year and 2 million less that Kevin Hayes for the same production and a year later. He was going to be a UFA you know. Comparing RFA and UFA is not appropriate.

I was going to ask how in the world could you know that, but then I realized it was you Roger.
- RickJames77

117 point pace under Keefe.

?

He got one less year and 2 million less that Kevin Hayes for the same production and a year later.
- RickJames77

So you are using Kevin Hayes as a comparable to say it's not too bad? We all know Kevin Hayes' contract was a shocking joke.

117 point pace under Keefe.
- RogerRoeper

Yes and past results are indicative of future ones?

Coyle's the one you have a problem with? I'd go 1. Backes 2. 2015 draft
- AdamFrench

Well yes, Backes too.

The 2015 draft cost them cups. What a disaster.