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Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Feb 6 @ 1:19 PM ET
Dubas: Hutchinson played well for the 4 games, and then on Monday night it switched within a 15 minute span. We could all feel it. He is a wonderful person, and hope that isn't lost.
- PatC80

That goal where he fell over and let in a weak five hole was the nail on the coffin.

People talk about how the Leafs have to be at the top of their games in these important games well Hutch was no where near that.

You could tell Keefe was frustrated especially after the Florida game where Hutch was the worst player on the ice and you can’t have that from your goalie.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 6 @ 1:20 PM ET
So;


1) Clifford and Campbell - addresses goalie and grit issue and didn't cost a lot

2) Anderson is back on the ice skating

3) Ceci is "out for a while" with an ankle injury


Things are trending up

- PatC80


as long as there is a better option.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Feb 6 @ 1:21 PM ET
I'm trying to be cautiously optimistic here, but I'm also not so sure Campbell solves the problem, per se.

The Leafs are a different team when Hutch is in net. Whether it's because they don't trust him, and as such somehow forget how to play defense, or whether it's that he has an inability to manage the puck and allows rebounds that create HD chances that shouldn't have been there (this is my guess), I'm unsure . . . but on the same team with the same Defense:

Teams get an average of 7.71 High Danger Chances against Andersen / Game; they get an average of 10.06 against Hutchinson (only Broissoit has more HDSA / Game).

Teams get an average of 8.28 Medium Danger Chances against Andersen, and 8.84 against Hutch.

Teams get an average of 14.34 Low Danger chances against Andersen, and 12.2 against Hutch.

To put this into perspective, Andersen has a Goals Against Average of 2.87 and Hutch is 3.66. If Hutch had the type of play in front of him that Andersen receives, his GAA would be 3.14, and conversely, Andersen's would be 3.28.

If this team continues to play in front of Jack Campbell the way they have been playing in front of Hutchinson, Campbell will provide a very modest boost of a 3.64 GAA. Again, this assumes that an HD chance is an HD chance, and defenses are equivalently capable of managing the puck.

If you want a goalie that would make a difference with our porous defense, James Reimer would have actually have been a good choice; his style of play would lend to a 2.64 GAA in equivalent situations.

As I type that, I am forced to double check my math.

- Monkeypunk


I honestly think they play different in front of Hutch because they are afraid to make a mistake.. Which causes them to over-think plays. That fear can lead to things going wrong quickly.

That Kreider goal, normally Holl wouldn't jump into the play right off the face off at centre ice.. I think he felt that if he doesn't get to it first, then the Rangers will score.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Feb 6 @ 1:21 PM ET
Seems a little convenient. Dubas learning from the master Lou
- BKups



Maybe.. Robidas Island was a little empty
BestRapperAlive
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: OEL is one of the greatest players of his generation - James Tanner
Joined: 06.21.2012

Feb 6 @ 1:21 PM ET
as long as there is a better option.
- senstroll


There's not.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Feb 6 @ 1:22 PM ET
That goal where he fell over and let in a weak five hole was the nail on the coffin.

People talk about how the Leafs have to be at the top of their games in these important games well Hutch was no where near that.

You could tell Keefe was frustrated especially after the Florida game where Hutch was the worst player on the ice and you can’t have that from your goalie.

- Santo_44



Agreed. They played so well defensively and dominated Florida, yet they lose the game.. Dubas has to feel like if it was Andersen they win the game easily
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Feb 6 @ 1:22 PM ET
as long as there is a better option.
- senstroll



trade or Liljegren?
BestRapperAlive
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: OEL is one of the greatest players of his generation - James Tanner
Joined: 06.21.2012

Feb 6 @ 1:23 PM ET
I honestly think they play different in front of Hutch because they are afraid to make a mistake.. Which causes them to over-think plays. That fear can lead to things going wrong quickly.

That Kreider goal, normally Holl wouldn't jump into the play right off the face off at centre ice.. I think he felt that if he doesn't get to it first, then the Rangers will score.

- PatC80


I too, find it more likely that they play poorly in front of him because he sucks, instead of he sucks because they play poorly in front of him
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Feb 6 @ 1:23 PM ET
There's not.
- BestRapperAlive


I believe we have discovered a flaw in the Leafs defense
zazzle
Joined: 01.19.2013

Feb 6 @ 1:24 PM ET
So;


1) Clifford and Campbell - addresses goalie and grit issue and didn't cost a lot

2) Anderson is back on the ice skating

3) Ceci is "out for a while" with an ankle injury


Things are trending up

- PatC80



Ya know who'll be replacing Ceci in the line up eh?




Marincin!
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Feb 6 @ 1:24 PM ET
Agreed. They played so well defensively and dominated Florida, yet they lose the game.. Dubas has to feel like if it was Andersen they win the game easily
- PatC80

Yup your goalie has to make a save.

They put a lot of belief in him and they messed up. Hutch should do well on the Marlies maybe he can help out Woll.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Feb 6 @ 1:24 PM ET
Ya know who'll be replacing Ceci in the line up eh?




Marincin!

- zazzle


The Thickness!
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Feb 6 @ 1:25 PM ET
Ya know who'll be replacing Ceci in the line up eh?




Marincin!

- zazzle



Or Liljegren? Or trade?
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Feb 6 @ 1:26 PM ET
I too, find it more likely that they play poorly in front of him because he sucks, instead of he sucks because they play poorly in front of him
- BestRapperAlive

That soft wrister from the blueline in the FLA game turned into a HDSC 3 feet from the net...That happens a lot with him and for a team that isn't the strongest defensively you are just asking for trouble.

Freddy is awesome at deflecting rebounds into safe zones and it is why they have so much more success with him in net.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Feb 6 @ 1:26 PM ET
I too, find it more likely that they play poorly in front of him because he sucks, instead of he sucks because they play poorly in front of him
- BestRapperAlive



I think that's the case.. That feeling where you know if you make a mistake bad things are gonna happen, so you over-think, over-analyze every thing and forget to keep things simple.
leafsfann
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Joined: 05.11.2014

Feb 6 @ 1:27 PM ET
People loathed Sundin? idiots...
- BestRapperAlive


I can see how some didn't love him as a captain, but I can't imagine anyone disliking him as a 1c.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Feb 6 @ 1:27 PM ET
Yup your goalie has to make a save.

They put a lot of belief in him and they messed up. Hutch should do well on the Marlies maybe he can help out Woll.

- Santo_44



Yes, exactly.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Feb 6 @ 1:28 PM ET
I am in love with Kyle Clifford;



Kyle Clifford: "They didn't bring me in to outpace Auston Matthews in goals".

Also:

"It's no secret, I got a real love for this team. It's a childhood dream to put this jersey on"
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 6 @ 1:29 PM ET
I'm trying to be cautiously optimistic here, but I'm also not so sure Campbell solves the problem, per se.

The Leafs are a different team when Hutch is in net. Whether it's because they don't trust him, and as such somehow forget how to play defense, or whether it's that he has an inability to manage the puck and allows rebounds that create HD chances that shouldn't have been there (this is my guess), I'm unsure . . . but on the same team with the same Defense:

Teams get an average of 7.71 High Danger Chances against Andersen / Game; they get an average of 10.06 against Hutchinson (only Broissoit has more HDSA / Game).

Teams get an average of 8.28 Medium Danger Chances against Andersen, and 8.84 against Hutch.

Teams get an average of 14.34 Low Danger chances against Andersen, and 12.2 against Hutch.

To put this into perspective, Andersen has a Goals Against Average of 2.87 and Hutch is 3.66. If Hutch had the type of play in front of him that Andersen receives, his GAA would be 3.14, and conversely, Andersen's would be 3.28.

If this team continues to play in front of Jack Campbell the way they have been playing in front of Hutchinson, Campbell will provide a very modest boost of a 3.64 GAA. Again, this assumes that an HD chance is an HD chance, and defenses are equivalently capable of managing the puck.

If you want a goalie that would make a difference with our porous defense, James Reimer would have actually have been a good choice; his style of play would lend to a 2.64 GAA in equivalent situations.

As I type that, I am forced to double check my math.

- Monkeypunk


rebound control imo.

andersen is great at it. swallowing up pucks or directing them into corners or out of play.

hutch can't catch. he leaves a lot of garbage out there in front of the net. looked like a rookie with that nice pass to psysk in front of the net the other night.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 6 @ 1:30 PM ET
I am in love with Kyle Clifford;



Kyle Clifford: "They didn't bring me in to outpace Auston Matthews in goals".

Also:

"It's no secret, I got a real love for this team. It's a childhood dream to put this jersey on"

- PatC80


he has to be stoked; going from a basement dweller to a playoff race.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Feb 6 @ 1:30 PM ET
Or Liljegren? Or trade?
- PatC80


hard to believe they go with Sandin/Lil bottom pair...Not a good idea at all.

Not many options really.



Marinez was talked about being involved in the Cmapbell/Clifford trade but the cap didn't make sense for next year.
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: AUSTON MATTHEWS IS A LEAF
Joined: 03.03.2016

Feb 6 @ 1:31 PM ET
I am in love with Kyle Clifford;



Kyle Clifford: "They didn't bring me in to outpace Auston Matthews in goals".

Also:

"It's no secret, I got a real love for this team. It's a childhood dream to put this jersey on"

- PatC80



Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Feb 6 @ 1:31 PM ET
as long as there is a better option.
- senstroll


MM in for CC
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Feb 6 @ 1:31 PM ET
I am in love with Kyle Clifford;



Kyle Clifford: "They didn't bring me in to outpace Auston Matthews in goals".

Also:

"It's no secret, I got a real love for this team. It's a childhood dream to put this jersey on"

- PatC80


Dubas will sign him.

Hopefully him and Muzzin are best buddies.
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: AUSTON MATTHEWS IS A LEAF
Joined: 03.03.2016

Feb 6 @ 1:32 PM ET
So;


1) Clifford and Campbell - addresses goalie and grit issue and didn't cost a lot

2) Anderson is back on the ice skating

3) Ceci is "out for a while" with an ankle injury


Things are trending up

- PatC80



I’ve never felt better after a loss than I do now.
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