Agreed he had (much) more than the Goat but the point I was making was big (huge) guys who play small. Pony and Antropov are monsters and if they played with their size they could have been unreal but they were both soft.

I played in a charity tourney a couple years ago and Antropov was there - I was shocked at how big he really is even off the ice. Wasted size.
- Cush29

I know how big Antropov ended up getting. The year we drafted him, I passed by him coming out of the Beer Store on Queen's Quay, and he was a bean pole! He was ridiculously tall, and it was emphasized by how skinny he was. I remember thinking how shocking it was that a guy with legs and arms that thin looking could play hockey and not break anything - he was basically all acne and skinny limbs.

Coming season:

Hyman -- Matthews -- Marner
?? -- Tavares -- Mikheyev
Kerfoot -- ?? -- Kapanen
Engvall -- Gauthier -- Korshkov
13th: Timashov

Rielly -- ??
Dermott -- ??
Sandin - Liljegren
7th: Holl

Andersen
Campbell (? Let's give him the benefit of the doubt, but I don't see him being a solution)
Woll

Out:
Muzzin, Barrie, Nylander, Johnsson, Bracco

Leafs still keep same big holes on team like last 2 seasons (top 4 RHD, #3C, #2LW).
- MaximusAurelius

Are we just going to gloss over the salary cap in your made up fantasy land analysis? He's $1.65M next year. It's clear the $700K options aren't working and they can't afford a $2.5M-$5M back-up. So what is a better option in your opinion? I'm sick and tired of people griping without being able to offer a solution. If you were better are being a GM than one of 31 NHL GM's, you'd be a GM. But you're not. You're complaining about everything. Every day. What's the solution Champ? If you don't have one, pipe down.

A friend of mine was at some meet and greet with him and a few other guys. She showed us her pictures after. He was wearing one of those black tight shirts. And without this getting all weird homoerotic - he was huge, and clearly well defined. His arms and chest were massive. I was shocked at how big he was compared to the other Leaf players with him - guys who played 10 times tougher.

In a small way, you sort of lose respect for a guy when you realize he could have been a wrecking ball, and played like a cotton ball.
- Monkeypunk

Yes, he was huge and played like the goat... Could have been a power forward...

You don't want to argue but Ceci made a few mistakes that led to chances but that's all he did so the goalie should have stopped them all. Got it.

The flip side is Hutch gave up a few goals that's it but make a few less mistakes (Ceci) that lead to good scoring chances for your team because that's your job. Like for instance maybe don't deflect the shot from behind the net off your skate and into your own net. Oh but that's on the goalie.

We will agree both were horrible and that you can put the blame on Hutch, I'll point at Ceci and we will move on, I'm not going to convince you that I'm right and you won't convince me and that's ok.

And yes - I'm a goalie (before it gets tossed out there) and no I don't blame my players for all the goals against me. I sure as sh*t call them out if they chirp me on a goal that was caused by a scoring chance that was created by their mistake.

Number of shots is one thing, quality of them is another. And having your own guys deflect pucks past you is infuriating as a goalie, Hutch looked terrible on that goal but it's at least jointly owned 50/50.

I'm not saying Hutch was capable of being the backup the Leafs need, he's not. I just hope they play better in front of the new back up than they did in front of Hutch.

And holy hell do they ever need help on D......Dubas needs to make another move to get some D help ASAP. Especially if Reily is out for as long as it's sounding like he may be.
- Cush29

Yes.

As a team the Leafs limited chances very well that game. Ceci was one of the few that caused a couple.

The fact Ceci caused a few chances doesn't change the fact the Leafs limited chances and based on that evidence Hutch played a horrible game.

So without backreading, I assume consenus has been reached. All in agreement, yes?

So without backreading, I assume consenus has been reached. All in agreement, yes?
- Zezel

Yes, we need to bring Pony out of retirement...

I am in love with Kyle Clifford;



Kyle Clifford: "They didn't bring me in to outpace Auston Matthews in goals".

Also:

"It's no secret, I got a real love for this team. It's a childhood dream to put this jersey on"
- PatC80

Oh word

So without backreading, I assume consenus has been reached. All in agreement, yes?
- Zezel

With the clear exception of this post, sure.

So without backreading, I assume consenus has been reached. All in agreement, yes?
- Zezel

Yes, Kyle Clifford and Jack Campbell will lead the Leafs to a cup while costing the Leafs a major overpayment. Dubas simultaneously knocks this one out of the park and can't tie his own shoes.

Yes, we need to bring Pony out of retirement...


- Hockey_Reverend

My Little Pony?

So without backreading, I assume consenus has been reached. All in agreement, yes?
- Zezel

Back reading might be worth it this time ZZ

Back reading might be worth it this time ZZ
- underhill14

You (frank)ing know it's not worth it 😂

Well, we have our Berube, and now we have our Binnington. 😁

It amazes me when people shrug their shoulders and ignore a player making multiple terrible plays that lead to scoring chances and say things like "goalie has to make a save now and then". I don't disagree Hutch has been wildly inconsistent and not good enough but I can't agree that he is to blame entirely for the loss - and I think Ceci was a bigger contributor to the loss than Hutch.

But we move on, Ceci is out, Hutch won't see another minute of NHL ice this year (hopefully) and we all pray they go on a heater and get into the playoffs.
- Cush29

Don't get me wrong, Ceci has been brutal.. But, like you said, you're a goalie.. Mistakes happen over the course of a game, sometimes you just need a save.

Yes.

As a team the Leafs limited chances very well that game. Ceci was one of the few that caused a couple.

The fact Ceci caused a few chances doesn't change the fact the Leafs limited chances and based on that evidence Hutch played a horrible game.
- Santo_44

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Ceci caused more than "a couple" he was directly involved in 3 of the goals against ,m one of them being the own goal he scored but that doesn't fit your narrative of "goalie bad & reason they lost" so I'll move on.

With the clear exception of this post, sure.
- Monkeypunk

Don't get me wrong, Ceci has been brutal.. But, like you said, you're a goalie.. Mistakes happen over the course of a game, sometimes you just need a save.
- PatC80

I peg the number of saves that you need as the number required to ensure that your team is able to outscore the other team.

JMO

Honestly, this Cece thing is convenient as (frank). Dubas apprenticed under Lou. This is sketchy. I like it.

always with you the players leafs trade away suddenly become fringe nhl'ers - while the ones we add are 'perfect fits'.
- MaximusAurelius

that's a fair comment Max... but really, losing Moore is really losing a 3rd liner at best... I happen to really admire the kid... but he'd never get a chance to more than a 3rd liner with the current Leafs roster.

Moore gets to head home (or near home) and the Leafs address (or perhaps) the back-up situation.

I would prefered getting rid of Petan or Timashov over Moore... but at the end of the day none of these guys will end up as impact players for the Leafs.

I do agree on the perfect fits portion... Clifford may prove to be a good addition, but it remains to be seen if he can adjust to a system that is radically different then what LA has run for years.

Are we just going to gloss over the salary cap in your made up fantasy land analysis? He's $1.65M next year. It's clear the $700K options aren't working and they can't afford a $2.5M-$5M back-up. So what is a better option in your opinion? I'm sick and tired of people griping without being able to offer a solution. If you were better are being a GM than one of 31 NHL GM's, you'd be a GM. But you're not. You're complaining about everything. Every day. What's the solution Champ? If you don't have one, pipe down.
- Deeps27

I think we can afford the $1.65M cap hit.. You're right, we are not getting a good backup goalie for $700k..

Best case, Campbell challenges Freddy and we have a legit 1A/1B. Worst case, he's exposed and Seattle picks him up

Honestly, this Cece thing is convenient as (frank). Dubas apprenticed under Lou. This is sketchy. I like it.
- Zezel

LTIR
Long Term Injured Reserve
or
Long Term Island Reservation (Lupul & Robidas serve cocktails)

Don't get me wrong, Ceci has been brutal.. But, like you said, you're a goalie.. Mistakes happen over the course of a game, sometimes you just need a save.
- PatC80

So I'm biased? Perhaps - I'll admit it. Actually I fully admit it - stupid forwards! :-)

But "sometimes you need a save" is a BS excuse to cover for player mistakes (said the goalie lol).

It's like saying "sometimes you need a dman not to deflect the puck into his own net".

Generally every goal that is scored is as a result of multiple mistakes by multiple players including the goalie. There are perfect passes, and shots that are almost unstoppable but I'd estimate those are 10% of goals against.

It is what it is. We agree Ceci is terrible and not that I wish injury on anyone but him being out of the line up is a plus but his replacement is no better and I actually think worse than him.

Dubas needs to make a deal for D now.....AJ, or Kappy, Bracco, Timmy, one of them or a combo of them out for a good, solid shut down D man with term. Tough assignment but let's hope he can make it happen before prices go through the roof!

I think we can afford the $1.65M cap hit.. You're right, we are not getting a good backup goalie for $700k..

Best case, Campbell challenges Freddy and we have a legit 1A/1B. Worst case, he's exposed and Seattle picks him up
- PatC80

I think Campbell will be fine and the cap hit managemable - it's "he's not the solution" comment that irks me. Sure, Halak would be awesome...what is he? $4M? It's not possible.

I peg the number of saves that you need as the number required to ensure that your team is able to outscore the other team.

JMO
- TheMussel

In all seriousness, mistakes happen over the course of a game.. Every team makes mistakes, not just the Leafs. Sometimes, you need your goalie to bail you out. Hutchinson didn't inspire confidence.