Is there anyone avail?

You cant let all of the good ones go and wait years
to try and replace. Their time is now before JT needs a walker.
- annoyed

Anyone available is not good enough because [insert reason].

Robertson with his 40th, and 2 assists so far.


Edit: 41 now
- Steven_Seagull

Wow. He just might turn into a great NHL'er if his play translates to the NHL. Definitely promising. Looking like a steal.

Is there anyone avail?

You cant let all of the good ones go and wait years
to try and replace. Their time is now before JT needs a walker.
- annoyed

They won't trade any ufa's they'll let them walk for nothing. That is their M.O.

Is there anyone avail?

You cant let all of the good ones go and wait years
to try and replace. Their time is now before JT needs a walker.
- annoyed

They also can't sign guys long term when the results are still bad and expect anything to change or improve as they get older.

I don't think they need to wait years, they just need to go in a different direction because Muzzin and Barrie aren't getting it done today and they will cost too much to keep tomorrow.

He's slow on a team that plays track meet hockey. He gives the puck away too much on a team that lives and dies by the stretch passes. Do you watch the games? Doesn't seem like it.

Muzzin, at 24-29 and 3-4 million dollars a year, is a good depth defensemen. Muzzin at 30-35 and 6 million dollars a year is a stupid decision.
- JohnFergusonJr

Last year he had a rough start in giveaways i think, but hes given the puck away less then Doughty this year. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Wow. He just might turn into a great NHL'er if his play translates to the NHL. Definitely promising. Looking like a steal.
- Thecakeisalie

The last person to have higher than a GPG in the last decade is DeBrincat. He seems to be doing well as a smaller guy in the NHL.

They won't trade any ufa's they'll let them walk for nothing. That is their M.O.
- bobbyisno1

If Dubas is willing to trade down in drafts to get more picks, he should be willing to trade pending UFAs for assets and then use those assets to bring in new defensemen.

It's almost like a 3-way deal.

Muzzin / Barrie ---> picks and prospects ---> new cost effective top-four D.

Nylander + (one of) Kerfoot / Johnsson / Kapanen ---> #1 RHD

They also can't sign guys long term when the results are still bad and expect anything to change or improve as they get older.

I don't think they need to wait years, they just need to go in a different direction because Muzzin and Barrie aren't getting it done today and they will cost too much to keep tomorrow.
- JohnFergusonJr

Need a plan, ill trust the brass for now.


Different direction sounds rudderless.

Hopefully we can keep Muzz at the right contract. IMO

The last person to have higher than a GPG in the last decade is DeBrincat. He seems to be doing well as a smaller guy in the NHL.
- Steven_Seagull

Didn't realize he only has 13 goals this year

Last year he had a rough start in giveaways i think, but hes given the puck away less then Doughty this year. 🤷🏼‍♂️
- annoyed

He missed a bunch of games and still leads the Leafs in giveaways.

And he's a stay at home defenseman. That means it's not his job to pass the puck as often. And yet he still gives it away.

Doughty plays 5 more minutes a game on a terrible team and his job is to move the puck so it's natural he's going to give the puck away more.

Pretend there's a QB who makes 500 passes and another one who makes 100 passes but they both have 10 INTs. Who's the better passer?

Robertson with his 40th, and 2 assists so far.


Edit: 41 now
- Steven_Seagull

41 is yet another shorthanded goal.

So glad the Leafs wasted a 2nd round pick on him.

Last year he had a rough start in giveaways i think, but hes given the puck away less then Doughty this year. 🤷🏼‍♂️
- annoyed

65 giveaways and 13 takeaways for Doughty. We should trade Nylander for that and his 11m cap hit.

Need a plan, ill trust the brass for now.


Different direction sounds rudderless.

Hopefully we can keep Muzz at the right contract. IMO
- annoyed

Current direction is rudderless. They're not in the playoffs and if they do make them, it's a wild card spot. They've gone backwards, despite all the "wonderful" changes they've made.

This forum needs a mute button.
- gravyface

That would be amazing.

41 is yet another shorthanded goal.

So glad the Leafs wasted a 2nd round pick on him.
- GreatGigInTheSky

Not a blue chip prospect. Leafs overrate everyone.

They also can't sign guys long term when the results are still bad and expect anything to change or improve as they get older.

I don't think they need to wait years, they just need to go in a different direction because Muzzin and Barrie aren't getting it done today and they will cost too much to keep tomorrow.
- JohnFergusonJr

You also have no clue what Muzzin will sign for, dollars or term. None of us do. That's likely why Dubas is supposedly already talking to him and his agent. So he can see if they can agree to a deal that works for both parties.

You also act like you know that he's guaranteed to decline in play in the next few years, yet are certain Doughty won't. Quit acting like you're Nostradamus.

If Dubas is willing to trade down in drafts to get more picks, he should be willing to trade pending UFAs for assets and then use those assets to bring in new defensemen.

It's almost like a 3-way deal.

Muzzin / Barrie ---> picks and prospects ---> new cost effective top-four D.

Nylander + (one of) Kerfoot / Johnsson / Kapanen ---> #1 RHD
- JohnFergusonJr

Who?


Nobodys trading a young stud, the new cost effective top four would be in your bad books after 30 games and it would start all over

K gotta go, have fun big boy.

Current direction is rudderless. They're not in the playoffs and if they do make them, it's a wild card spot. They've gone backwards, despite all the "wonderful" changes they've made.
- JohnFergusonJr

Again, lets see what we do at the TDL.

You also have no clue what Muzzin will sign for, dollars or term. None of us do. That's likely why Dubas is supposedly already talking to him and his agent. So he can see if they can agree to a deal that works for both parties.

You also act like you know that he's guaranteed to decline in play in the next few years, yet are certain Doughty won't. Quit acting like you're Nostradamus.
- Thecakeisalie

He states all of his opinions as facts.

He's a (frank)ing blowhard.

Who?


Nobodys trading a young stud, the new cost effective top four would be in your bad books after 30 games and it would start all over

K gotta go, have fun big boy.
- annoyed

Doughty. Even though he’s not going to the Leafs.

65 giveaways and 13 takeaways for Doughty. We should trade Nylander for that and his 11m cap hit.
- Steven_Seagull

Muzz is awesome with the puck most of the time, sure hes not the fleetest but oh well. His analtycs read nice for the most, and my eyes approve.

CASE CLOSED

Trading away your good players while in a playoff race is pinnacle stupidity.

You also have no clue what Muzzin will sign for, dollars or term. None of us do. That's likely why Dubas is supposedly already talking to him and his agent. So he can see if they can agree to a deal that works for both parties.

You also act like you know that he's guaranteed to decline in play in the next few years, yet are certain Doughty won't. Quit acting like you're Nostradamus.
- Thecakeisalie

He's a pending UFA. You think he's going to come cheap? I doubt it. Same with Barrie. These guys don't get 100 chances to cash in big, especially the mid level guys.

Anything over 4 million is overpayment.

Elite D last longer.

Not a blue chip prospect. Leafs overrate everyone.
- Steven_Seagull

(frank)nuts will probably deny that he ever said the Leafs wasted a 2nd on him now.

Not a blue chip prospect. Leafs overrate everyone.
- Steven_Seagull

I think Bobby Mac mentioned that he would be a top 10 pick if he was in this draft.

He was the youngest player in last draft and only made the cutoff by like four days.

If he keeps developing he could be a good top six forward.

Just a great pick all around.