So I didn't bother back reading.

You guys happy with Campbell? I like him better than Hutch at least.

- AdamFrench

Leafs Legend

score effects?
- TheMussel

No, just regular old corsi.

So I didn't bother back reading.

You guys happy with Campbell? I like him better than Hutch at least.
- Scabeh

We're all very happy until he lets in 4 goals and they lose.

So I didn't bother back reading.

You guys happy with Campbell? I like him better than Hutch at least.
- Scabeh

No one has ever seen Campbell play.

But there’s no doubt he’s better than Hutch

If you did Clifford for Moore, you'd probably have to add on the Clifford side to make it fair. So something like Kyle Clifford + 4th for Trevor Moore. I believe that Moore can be a third liner, and has proven he can play there effectively in the past - at least in terms of not being over matched by his competition (like he was when they inserted him anywhere in the top 6).

I was pretty high on Campbell before he failed to reach the NHL repeatedly. That said, compared to Quick, he's been better (he's .915 at EV; Quick is .908. He has a GSAA of 1.99 at EV; Quick is -1.99 -- last year, Cambpell was .934 at EV; Quick was .899. Campbell had a GSAA of 11.34 to Quick's -19.37(!!)).

Edit: While it's not apples to apples, since Hutch is behind Toronto's defense - last year he was .910 and -1.86; this year he is .894 and -5.51. So Campbell should be a noticeable improvement.

If you're trying to get Jack Campbell out of LA, he has to have a value that's more than just a second round pick, but probably not as high as a first. Maybe you'd argue that it's as good as a 2nd and a 4th.

So maybe there's a marginal overpayment here, but it's not by much.
- Monkeypunk

I am not sure I see moore as more valuable,
if you are outside of Toronto, Moore has not done much of anything.

throwing the hit in Chara in the playoffs is his best moment

We're all very happy until he lets in 4 goals and they lose.
- AdamFrench

The "Andrew Raycroft" position eh?

I like it.

Moore + a 2nd (you have to assume that Campbell will win at least 6 games with Freddy potentially out for a week and then something) and a 3rd...?

frigging overpay.

rather would have liked Leafs giving up another player - and I'm not that convinced that Campbell is the solution here.

What really rubs me the wrong way is that Dubas only seems to focus on players/people that he has ties with from the past: Keefe, Sandin, scouts and other technical staff he brought in, and now Clifford and Campbell..

lot's of talk about 'young generation / new ways' but it seems that Dubas runs things more old style than Burkie and Lou combined.

(the bad Dubas/Keefe stories that will come out in 2+ years from now will be epic imo).
- MaximusAurelius

So I didn't bother back reading.

You guys happy with Campbell? I like him better than Hutch at least.
- Scabeh

Ya same.
Although, thats not saying much.
Gotta see campbell play a few first.

I played a game of ball hockey with him back when he was still a Maple Leafs player.

The guy doesn't take good care of himself..... If you didn't know him, you wouldn't believe he was a professional athlete.

Imagine how talented he must be to overcompensate that and still play at a high level all these years.

It's crazy.
- Scabeh

Not really, Guy Lafleur was a much better player, perhaps the best in the NHL for a few years and he smoked a pack of cigarettes during a game, was a 2-3 pack a day guy.

I meant more in a sense that the Leafs are desperate, need to get a win.
Rags are not going to make it.

With a game thats close or leaning a bit your way at least get a point and a shot at 2
- senstroll

I agree, we just make dumb plays at the wrong time it seems

Hutch trying to get his stick and Hyman flips it away from him and Matthews tries some fancy skate pass out to the front of our net - Barrie was there by himself trying to take the puck from his skate and boom in our net.

Just seems to be the way, just might not be our year.

Coming season:

Hyman -- Matthews -- Marner
?? -- Tavares -- Mikheyev
Kerfoot -- ?? -- Kapanen
Engvall -- Gauthier -- Korshkov
13th: Timashov

Rielly -- ??
Dermott -- ??
Sandin - Liljegren
7th: Holl

Andersen
Campbell (? Let's give him the benefit of the doubt, but I don't see him being a solution)
Woll

Out:
Muzzin, Barrie, Nylander, Johnsson, Bracco

Leafs still keep same big holes on team like last 2 seasons (top 4 RHD, #3C, #2LW).
- MaximusAurelius

Can Campbell make a save? That is what i want to know... lol
- Hockey_Reverend

think of Campbell as Al Montoya level good.

both are 3rd liners.
- MaximusAurelius

Just thought you should know that you are actually correct on a lot of your takes and just because these leftist bullies, who are clearly insecure, don’t agree with you does not mean your opinion is stupid or invalid.
Opinions are a byproduct of liberty and democracy, and you are entitled and respected for having the balls to go against the grain and state your opinion.

Why we traded a promising young, feisty and fast player along with a 3rd and 2nd for a backup goalie and a 4th line UFA is literally beyond me.
Kings have Grundstrom, Durzi, Moore, Bjornfot, 2020 3rd and 2021 2nd for Muzzin, Campbell and a 4th line scrub. 😂😂😂
Muzzin is a FA after this season so basically it’s Grundstrom, Durzi, Moore, Bjornfot and a couple more top-90 picks for a backup goalie for two years and a top 4 defenseman for the remainder of this year.

Just imagine if Burke was making these kinda trades and how all the fruit loops would be crying about “asset management”.
Hilarious.

Not really, Guy Lafleur was a much better player, perhaps the best in the NHL for a few years and he smoked a pack of cigarettes during a game, was a 2-3 pack a day guy.
- winsix

The good old days.


I’d like to see more players today smoke cigarettes.

Can Campbell make a save? That is what i want to know... lol
- Hockey_Reverend

I think he'll be good. He doesn't really have a high water mark to swim up to. All things considered, he will probably allow a goal on the first shot he faces, because it's pandemonium in Leaf nation right now.

I like GSAA. It's another analytic stat that's a little too subjective to use in comparison where the numbers are close (ie, is a goalie who has a GSAA of 1.5 worse than a goalie who has a GSAA of 1.6?), but it takes the idea of league average save percentages in situational shots (Low Danger, Medium Danger, High Danger) and determines how many goals the average goalie would let in under those conditions. Then it basically adds that up. Almost like determining a median save percentage.

Again, because what constitutes a "high danger" chance is so subjective (a 2 on 1, or a 3 on 0 or a tip into the goalie's chest from the sweet spot in front of the net are all counted as 1 High Danger chance, but the chances of scoring are varied by situation, obviously) - like the Leafs all too often give up high danger chances that should just be called, "Obvious goals", and then measure the goalies against those.

nice

Maple Leafs blog is so friendly
- jimbro83

Max is a clown. Just laugh as what he says.

I agree, we just make dumb plays at the wrong time it seems

Hutch trying to get his stick and Hyman flips it away from him and Matthews tries some fancy skate pass out to the front of our net - Barrie was there by himself trying to take the puck from his skate and boom in our net.

Just seems to be the way, just might not be our year.
- Garnie

why the f did hutch lose his stick in the first place...he tripped over the ghost of Johhny Bower or something

The good old days.


I’d like to see more players today smoke cigarettes.
- robin_steele264

Just thought you should know that you are actually correct on a lot of your takes and just because these leftist bullies, who are clearly insecure, don’t agree with you does not mean your opinion is stupid or invalid.
Opinions are a byproduct of liberty and democracy, and you are entitled and respected for having the balls to go against the grain and state your opinion.

Why we traded a promising young, feisty and fast player along with a 3rd and 2nd for a backup goalie and a 4th line UFA is literally beyond me.
Kings have Grundstrom, Durzi, Moore, Bjornfot, 2020 3rd and 2021 2nd for Muzzin, Campbell and a 4th line scrub. 😂😂😂
Muzzin is a FA after this season so basically it’s Grundstrom, Durzi, Moore, Bjornfot and a couple more top-90 picks for a backup goalie for two years and a top 4 defenseman for the remainder of this year.

Just imagine if Burke was making these kinda trades and how all the fruit loops would be crying about “asset management”.
Hilarious.
- optimus-reim

Max?

- AdamFrench

Dion was at his best then too.

It was the smokes that helped him.

Slow down.
Pull the koolaid away from your mouth.
Clifford is a 4th liner, who could fill on the 3rd line.
No team with cup aspirations will ever have him on the 2nd.
Lol
Lets not overhype Clifford simply because the leafs picked him up.
- Fakepartofme

Pretty sure Burn was comparing Johnsson and Moore?

I am not sure I see moore as more valuable,
if you are outside of Toronto, Moore has not done much of anything.

throwing the hit in Chara in the playoffs is his best moment
- senstroll

Moore is undersized but fast. He's scored a total of 5 goals in 52 NHL games, so he's not apt to shock anyone. I think he has what it takes to be an effective guy who can score 12-15. He's also 24, which is why I would factor in the imbalance.

Clifford is 6'2 and is 35 pounds heavier than Moore @ 210lbs. He has 6 goals in 53 games this year, (so he's already a more prolific scorer than Moore!), so based on the "intangibles" you could argue Clifford has more value. Clifford is a UFA who's 29, however, so again, that's why I'd say Moore has more value.

Just thought you should know that you are actually correct on a lot of your takes and just because these leftist bullies, who are clearly insecure, don’t agree with you does not mean your opinion is stupid or invalid.
Opinions are a byproduct of liberty and democracy, and you are entitled and respected for having the balls to go against the grain and state your opinion.

Why we traded a promising young, feisty and fast player along with a 3rd and 2nd for a backup goalie and a 4th line UFA is literally beyond me.
Kings have Grundstrom, Durzi, Moore, Bjornfot, 2020 3rd and 2021 2nd for Muzzin, Campbell and a 4th line scrub. 😂😂😂
Muzzin is a FA after this season so basically it’s Grundstrom, Durzi, Moore, Bjornfot and a couple more top-90 picks for a backup goalie for two years and a top 4 defenseman for the remainder of this year.

Just imagine if Burke was making these kinda trades and how all the fruit loops would be crying about “asset management”.
Hilarious.
- optimus-reim

so looking up those players...the Kings have gotten not much so far.
Muzzin is the best piece.

Grundstom and Durzi have a combined 0 goals this year.

what a lopsided deal for the kings

why the f did hutch lose his stick in the first place...he tripped over the ghost of Johhny Bower or something
- senstroll

It’s so Leafy, same can be said why Matthews flung the puck out to the Ranger with his skate and Barrie was right there