I am absolutely certain they care. Throw the fans a (frank)ing bone, though.
- TheSabresTaco

I'll come off as a pegulas defender, but they care.
Can you seriously blame them for putting the Bill's ahead of the Sabres? NFL vs. Nhl ?

Also, who wouldn't prioritize their daughter who's a professional tennis player?

They fired brandon and a few other creepy touchy perverts and failed to replace them. That's an issue.

My understanding is they have stepped back and trusted the management team of botts/Kroeger.

They get criticized for being micromanaged, then for being to passive. Tough spot

Pegula's have an in house model on how a franchise at the player level needs to operate. Look no further than Brandon Beane's purview. The Sabres need A Process.

saw them,, no worries
- hubie

You in %100 next year?

Who CARES?!

No one part of the organization wins without the other PARTS doing their jobs!

There are multiple parts of this organization not doing their jobs properly, not just the one you like to put 100% of the blame squarely on.
- Powerslave

I'll put it into this scenario: I'm the GM of a restaurant. I pick the managers and the employees. Quality declines. At some point, the owner is going to come look for me and say: "you're running this place into the ground"

You in %100 next year?
- Boss34

Yes, as much as it pains me im 90% sure ill renew. I was very lucky with having people want to buy multiple games this year. Had the seats since the arena was open so the history makes it hard to end.

I'll put it into this scenario: I'm the GM of a restaurant. I pick the managers and the employees. Quality declines. At some point, the owner is going to come look for me and say: "you're running this place into the ground"
- jcragcrumple

A pro hockey team is NOTHING like a pro sports team. Stop.

Bussing tables is done a specific way. The steak cooked by the chef is done a specific way. There isn't a 3rd line bus boy.

And you can't trade a (frank)ing waiter to another restaurant for a bus boy and future considerations.

I'll come off as a pegulas defender, but they care.
Can you seriously blame them for putting the Bill's ahead of the Sabres? NFL vs. Nhl ?

Also, who wouldn't prioritize their daughter who's a professional tennis player?

They fired brandon and a few other creepy touchy perverts and failed to replace them. That's an issue.

My understanding is they have stepped back and trusted the management team of botts/Kroeger.

They get criticized for being micromanaged, then for being to passive. Tough spot
- Boss34

If you're going to buy a business, it;s in your best interest to provide whatever resources necessary for that business to thrive. So while the NFL makes more money than the NHL, it behooves them to provide, proportionally, the exact same resources for both teams.

What it comes down to. What it really, really comes down to. Is finding the right GM and by extension, the right coach. Those two, like McBeane, are in chanrge of what players come in, what message is to be conveyed, and what the culture of the team is.

Botterill up to this point has not implanted an identity into this team, and has not gotten rid of the toxicity that has plagued this team for a very long time.

I'll put it into this scenario: I'm the GM of a restaurant. I pick the managers and the employees. Quality declines. At some point, the owner is going to come look for me and say: "you're running this place into the ground"
- jcragcrumple

it's not the GM's fault, solely, for hiring 'workers' that have performed well in the past and are declining due to reasons x, y and z. However, it is his job to cut bait when necessary. And that day needs to be July 1st.

A pro hockey team is NOTHING like a pro sports team. Stop.

Bussing tables is done a specific way. The steak cooked by the chef is done a specific way. There isn't a 3rd line bus boy.

And you can't trade a (frank)ing waiter to another restaurant for a bus boy and future considerations.
- Powerslave

This is a better take than mine.

A pro hockey team is NOTHING like a pro sports team. Stop.

Bussing tables is done a specific way. The steak cooked by the chef is done a specific way. There isn't a 3rd line bus boy.

And you can't trade a (frank)ing waiter to another restaurant for a bus boy and future considerations.
- Powerslave

It's a metaphor for management. Ultimately everything under the purview of the guy at the top is his responsibility. If they succeed, he gets the praise. If they fail, he gets the blame. That's the gig

Id trade Dahlin for a CERTAIN upper end 2C. Like I said before, desperate times call for desperate measures. We are desperate. If a deal could be made for Larkin, Id do it. Theres your Crosby/Malkin for the next decade.

There aren't many players Id trade Dahlin for, but Larkin is one.
- ThundernLightning

Lmao omg

Oh and thank you for the food suggestions for Pittsburgh.
Buragtory was a nice burger spot
Fat HEadz- unfortunately the 45 min wait and a 4 year old didnt work so we went down the street to a small lil restaurant.
The Souper Bowl- nice lil lunch spot near the arena.
- hubie

Best shake I've ever had was at Burgatory in Pittsburgh. Burger was good, but their shakes are outstanding.

It's a metaphor for management. Ultimately everything under the purview of the guy at the top is his responsibility. If they succeed, he gets the praise. If they fail, he gets the blame. That's the gig
- jcragcrumple

That doesn't mean he isn't the only one not doing his job.

That's my point.

Best shake I've ever had was at Burgatory in Pittsburgh. Burger was good, but their shakes are outstanding.
- kritter65

Wife got the vanilla is was excellent, the burger was very good but you can get that quality anywhere is true

That doesn't mean he isn't the only one not doing his job.

That's my point.
- Powerslave

And I disagree. When he makes a choice about a player or coach, their success or failure is also his.

I don't blame him for the jerseys or dj milk or whatever else, but the players and coaches are a direct reflection on him.

A buddy of mine says the pegulas are pissed. He was affraid to use a sick day, worried about being canned.
Everyone is looking over their shoulder, not just botts.

The pegulas don't care, isnt accurate.
- Boss34

Is his job to order the straws?

I would guess the pissed comes from being embarassed nationally.
Let's hope that doesn't lead them to another emotionally-based, reactionary decision.

And I disagree. When he makes a choice about a player or coach, their success or failure is also his.

I don't blame him for the jerseys or dj milk or whatever else, but the players and coaches are a direct reflection on him.
- jcragcrumple

K.

This is a moot point that you'll continue to beat into the ground, ad nauseum.

You don't like the gm. We get it.

We have zero say in what the owners will do, come April. Unless you were downtown last Sat...that was one helluva turnout.

K.

This is a moot point that you'll continue to beat into the ground, ad nauseum.

You don't like the gm. We get it.

We have zero say in what the owners will do, come April. Unless you were downtown last Sat...that was one helluva turnout.
- Powerslave

I made one flippant comment about Sheary and you started screaming at me in caps. If you dont want to hear it, why are you responding?

I made one flippant comment about Sheary and you started screaming at me in caps. If you dont want to hear it, why are you responding?
- jcragcrumple

"well, GM dingdong..." started your post about Sheary.

90% of the posts you make has a Botterill reference.

He isn't the only one to blame here.

If you met Sheary, would you tell him, "listen dude, it's not your fault that you're underperforming. It's GM dingdong's"?

"well, GM dingdong..." started your post about Sheary.

90% of the posts you make has a Botterill reference.

He isn't the only one to blame here.

If you met Sheary, would you tell him, "listen dude, it's not your fault that you're underperforming. It's GM dingdong's"?
- Powerslave

He's not underperforming.

Excluding the Crosby year:

91 points in 250 games. .36 points per game

This year:

17 points in 49 games: .34 points per game

This is who Sheary is.

He's not underperforming.

Excluding the Crosby year:

91 points in 250 games. .36 points per game

This year:

17 points in 49 games: .34 points per game

This is who Sheary is.
- jcragcrumple

Excluding the Crosby year?

But of course. 😂

after Pittsburgh the prices arent bad lol
- hubie

i dont care who's runs it, all I wanted was a franking straw. I don't think that after paying 3800 for seats, it was too much to ask for...

Excluding the Crosby year?

But of course. 😂
- Powerslave

Yeah, of course I excluded it. Playing with Crosby is a cheat code

Mark Pysyk would have 50 points playing with prime Crosby

I'll put it into this scenario: I'm the GM of a restaurant. I pick the managers and the employees. Quality declines. At some point, the owner is going to come look for me and say: "you're running this place into the ground"
- jcragcrumple

Good analogy

What if the menu was new (coaching) and you hired many new faces ( hockey players) , would you give the gm some time?

If the current employees, who came over with a solid work ethic and track record. Is it all on the gm? Or on the employees too, for not living up too their former work ethics?

Yes, as much as it pains me im 90% sure ill renew. I was very lucky with having people want to buy multiple games this year. Had the seats since the arena was open so the history makes it hard to end.
- hubie

Hard to give up great seats. Better days ....... and all that fun stuff.

I'm %100 in again. Gluten for punishment.