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Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Feb 21 @ 2:58 PM ET
Is it bad I had to look this player up? Stats seem really good.
- ses111


You didn't know about DeBrincat?

Oh Ses...
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Feb 21 @ 2:58 PM ET
That one chubs me up a bit, but I think we all know they're probably not trading him
- eichiefs9

I would take Strome over him.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Feb 21 @ 2:59 PM ET
Perhaps, but that's the only calibre of player I'd be willing to move Sorokin for.
- Wildschwein

You see Strome more than we do, what's your opinion of him?
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Feb 21 @ 2:59 PM ET
I would take Strome over him. Not really sure what makes him a better player?
- Cptmjl

He's a sniper. Not having a great season this year, but scored 41 last year and 28 in his rookie year. Little dude with a big shot. Plays tough too, even though he's small.

Has a three year extension kicking in next year @ $6.4M
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Feb 21 @ 3:02 PM ET
He's a sniper. Not having a great season this year, but scored 41 last year and 28 in his rookie year. Little dude with a big shot. Plays tough too, even though he's small.

Has a three year extension kicking in next year @ $6.4M

- eichiefs9

Ahh, I quickly looked at his stats watched him play a few times when we played him. Thought he looked good would just go with the center in Strome.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Feb 21 @ 3:03 PM ET
Ahh, I quickly looked at his stats watched him play a few times when we played him. Thought he looked good would just go with the center in Strome.
- Cptmjl

They both fill a need, honestly. Those are about the only two players on their roster I'd probably be OK moving Sorokin for.

Both play wing, right now. Not sure where Strome is better suited to be completely honest. But the reality is that Nelson is your 2C for the foreseeable future so they really may be looking to beef up on wing and find a 3C in UFA.
UIF
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 01.09.2009

Feb 21 @ 3:04 PM ET
Trade his rights to Chicago for Lehner 馃槀
- Cptmjl


IslesBlog
@IslesBlog

2m
I just chuckled at the thought of Lehner and Sorokin being a goalie tandem for a team not named the New York Islanders #Isles


ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Feb 21 @ 3:05 PM ET
You didn't know about DeBrincat?

Oh Ses...

- Wildschwein


I do not watch other teams. I have trouble enough watching the Isles.
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Feb 21 @ 3:05 PM ET
You see Strome more than we do, what's your opinion of him?
- eichiefs9


I'm not high on him. Frankly I think he's been propped up by receiving big minutes with Kane and DeBrincat (mostly last year admittedly).
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Feb 21 @ 3:06 PM ET
I do not watch other teams. I have trouble enough watching the Isles.
- ses111


Touche.
eichiefs9
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 11.03.2008

Feb 21 @ 3:08 PM ET
I'm not high on him. Frankly I think he's been propped up by receiving big minutes with Kane and DeBrincat (mostly last year admittedly).
- Wildschwein

Far as I can tell, he's playing 3L minutes centered by Dach with DeBrincat on the LW.

https://www.dailyfaceoff....khawks/line-combinations/

Not sure if his step back from last season is more a product of that or if it's a product of having a rookie center. Or he's just not that good.
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Feb 21 @ 3:18 PM ET
Far as I can tell, he's playing 3L minutes centered by Dach with DeBrincat on the LW.

https://www.dailyfaceoff....khawks/line-combinations/

Not sure if his step back from last season is more a product of that or if it's a product of having a rookie center. Or he's just not that good.

- eichiefs9


Hawks started the year with Strome playing pivot to DeBrincat and Kane. Line was absolutely stellar last year. It fell apart early this year, mostly due to injuries on Strome's part. Hasn't really been reassembled since. Some of the reasoning for that is the emergence of Dach, some is due to Strome playing like poop.
keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Feb 21 @ 3:19 PM ET
Well part of the job is selling the team and what he鈥檚 doing with it. Its not all about outbidding another team as we see. I find it weird that nobody mentions that there鈥檚 a huge sales aspect that comes into attracting UFA鈥檚.

With that said I wouldn鈥檛 blame Lameriello for not signing UFA鈥檚.

- Cptmjl


There's so many things that can go wrong with trying to sign UFA's. For the Isles I think the issue has always been a combination of problems. The uncertainty surrounding the team was a killer for a long time. Tavares leaving was a BAD look for the team. Playing in two stadiums, one which is a nightmare commute is also a well-publicized negative. Our own players have publicly female doged about that, so I'm sure that doesn't play well to UFA's either. That too should be a thing of the past soon but is still a current issue. I've said this one in the past and I'm telling you it's an issue. Taxes....If you're a player making $4 mil a year, would you rather be taxed in Dallas ($0 income tax) or New York ($340k)? Then there's the little brother problem with the Rangers. Winning and culture are big for a lot of players, but big time players in their prime looking for big payouts will often worry about the other issues.
I think all of our GM's over the last 30 years have faced this issue unfortunately.
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Feb 21 @ 3:20 PM ET
I acknowledged that multiple times. Kind of water under the bridge as far as discussions go on this topic. My point is pretty specific but you seem to be getting derailed into something else. I鈥檓 stating he has been unable to add to the lineup to help it. You鈥檙e again, talking about signing UFA鈥檚, solidifying the bottom 6, helping our PK, whatever. Everything besides what I鈥檓 talking about.馃槀馃槀馃槀

It鈥檚 ok I鈥檓 just stating facts I don鈥檛 get to emotional on this topic馃槀

Let鈥檚 see what he does.

Also, not to nitpick but the first bold isn鈥檛 true. We did beat the Panthers to get to the second round under Snow and actually put up a little more of a fight against a better team in Tampa.

- Cptmjl


You would nit pick Jesus, it鈥檚 just what you do Snow won a round but did he make the POs the following year? And it only took him 12 years to do it. It took Lou 1 year to match Snows performance and this year with 2 PO appearances in a row he will out do it. He did

Look all I鈥檓 saying is Snows gone, we are in the POs each year. We won 17 games in a row, ( funny every player, coach and GM were fine then ) just sit back relax, enjoy it and:



Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Feb 21 @ 3:20 PM ET
IslesBlog
@IslesBlog

2m
I just chuckled at the thought of Lehner and Sorokin being a goalie tandem for a team not named the New York Islanders #Isles



- UIF

That would literally make me sick to my stomach.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Feb 21 @ 3:21 PM ET
They both fill a need, honestly. Those are about the only two players on their roster I'd probably be OK moving Sorokin for.

Both play wing, right now. Not sure where Strome is better suited to be completely honest. But the reality is that Nelson is your 2C for the foreseeable future so they really may be looking to beef up on wing and find a 3C in UFA.

- eichiefs9

Yeah I don鈥檛 know a lot about either player to really make an educated decision there.
Vukota
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.29.2007

Feb 21 @ 3:21 PM ET

Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
路 5m
Sources say the Islanders have traded Ilya Sorokin鈥檚 rights to Chicago.
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Feb 21 @ 3:23 PM ET
Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
路 5m
Sources say the Islanders have traded Ilya Sorokin鈥檚 rights to Chicago.

- Vukota


keaner17
New York Islanders
Location: Prepared for the worst
Joined: 07.12.2007

Feb 21 @ 3:23 PM ET
Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
路 5m
Sources say the Islanders have traded Ilya Sorokin鈥檚 rights to Chicago.

- Vukota

Here comes Saad

** I presume this is a joke
ziggy_skalica
Joined: 07.11.2009

Feb 21 @ 3:25 PM ET
Darren Dreger
@DarrenDreger
路 5m
Sources say the Islanders have traded Ilya Sorokin鈥檚 rights to Chicago.

- Vukota


lou done fing around
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Feb 21 @ 3:25 PM ET
There's so many things that can go wrong with trying to sign UFA's. For the Isles I think the issue has always been a combination of problems. The uncertainty surrounding the team was a killer for a long time. Tavares leaving was a BAD look for the team. Playing in two stadiums, one which is a nightmare commute is also a well-publicized negative. Our own players have publicly female doged about that, so I'm sure that doesn't play well to UFA's either. That too should be a thing of the past soon but is still a current issue. I've said this one in the past and I'm telling you it's an issue. Taxes....If you're a player making $4 mil a year, would you rather be taxed in Dallas ($0 income tax) or New York ($340k)? Then there's the little brother problem with the Rangers. Winning and culture are big for a lot of players, but big time players in their prime looking for big payouts will often worry about the other issues.
I think all of our GM's over the last 30 years have faced this issue unfortunately.

- keaner17


100% agree.

Winning, winning cultures and team professionalism will even make some turn their heads To taxes.
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Feb 21 @ 3:25 PM ET
Here comes Saad

** I presume this is a joke

- keaner17


Here's hoping.
ziggy_skalica
Joined: 07.11.2009

Feb 21 @ 3:25 PM ET
Here comes Saad

** I presume this is a joke

- keaner17


it's real
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Feb 21 @ 3:26 PM ET
it's real
- ziggy_skalica


Seriously?

What the (frank) is he getting back?
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Feb 21 @ 3:27 PM ET
You would nit pick Jesus, it鈥檚 just what you do Snow won a round but did he make the POs the following year? And it only took him 12 years to do it. It took Lou 1 year to match Snows performance and this year with 2 PO appearances in a row he will out do it. He did

Look all I鈥檓 saying is Snows gone, we are in the POs each year. We won 17 games in a row, ( funny every player, coach and GM were fine then ) just sit back relax, enjoy it and:




- nyisles7

I鈥檓 totally relaxed. I鈥檓 talking about one specific thing and you鈥檙e bringing up different topics that have absolutely nothing to do with what I鈥檓 talking about because you鈥檙e upset. You perceived somebody was being critical of your favorite person in the whole wide world. Don鈥檛 start crying when someone attempts to have an objective conversation about the hockey team you鈥檙e a fan of on a hockey site. Oh the audacity. Wahwahwah

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