What is your gut telling you Jimbo. You know how I want to lock up a new deal but I just don't see it happening anymore.
- TPC

my gut feeling is that he gets traded

the Rangers see what the Devils are doing (rebuild)

I think the plan is that they see themselves and the Devils as the two teams to beat in the Metro starting 2023 and beyond

the package they receive for Kreider will compete with what the Devils have started to do since trading Hall

my gut feeling is that he gets traded

the Rangers see what the Devils are doing (rebuild)

I think the plan is that they see themselves and the Devils as the two teams to beat in the Metro starting 2023 and beyond

the package they receive for Kreider will compete with what the Devils have started to do since trading Hall
- jimbro83

I think the Rangers realize that Kreider's next contract probably becomes an albatross pretty quickly. Again, power guys like Kreider just don't age pretty well. Zucc is currently on pace for about 40 points in Minnesota, imagine had we did that extension everyone wanted.

Point is, if you are going to pay that kind of money, you better get elite or at least very good production. Even if Kreider mainains 40-50 points, that contract would be a hindrance to the rebuild. We bought out Richards for "only" averaging about .75 points a game.

I think the Rangers realize that Kreider's next contract probably becomes an albatross pretty quickly. Again, power guys like Kreider just don't age pretty well. Zucc is currently on pace for about 40 points in Minnesota, imagine had we did that extension everyone wanted.

Point is, if you are going to pay that kind of money, you better get elite or at least very good production. Even if Kreider mainains 40-50 points, that contract would be a hindrance to the rebuild. We bought out Richards for "only" averaging about .75 points a game.
- 2sticks1puck

I really dont agree that Kreider will age poorly, he's just so fast and strong

the Richards buyout was it's own distinct circumstance

they changed the rules in the CBA about front loading contracts and they had that one time only compliance buyout they were pretty much forced to utilize

I think the decision not to sign Kreider wont have as much to do with fear he will become less productive, but about the cap, expansion draft and NMC concerns more than anything else

I feel like if the Rangers don't sign Kreider to an extension, he's going to end up signing on July 1st with a team that annoys me anyway, so why not get the best possible package for him regardless of the team if they do decide to trade him?

if its the Islanders, so be it

their fans will have to watch 2 or 3 of their prized prospects have careers at the Garden

I have ZERO problem trading him to the Islanders if the Isles pay through the nose
- jimbro83

Same here but that is a HUGE risk by them with potential to blow up in their face.

I think the Rangers realize that Kreider's next contract probably becomes an albatross pretty quickly. Again, power guys like Kreider just don't age pretty well. Zucc is currently on pace for about 40 points in Minnesota, imagine had we did that extension everyone wanted.

Point is, if you are going to pay that kind of money, you better get elite or at least very good production. Even if Kreider mainains 40-50 points, that contract would be a hindrance to the rebuild. We bought out Richards for "only" averaging about .75 points a game.
- 2sticks1puck

Trade deadline aside if the Rangers win tonight in Chicago. That’s 6 points behind with teams ahead of them with a game in hand on Carolina and they are coming up. Teams ahead of them are faltering. I Def think they can grab that wild card spot.

Trade deadline aside if the Rangers win tonight in Chicago. That’s 6 points behind with teams ahead of them with a game in hand on Carolina and they are coming up. Teams ahead of them are faltering. I Def think they can grab that wild card spot.
- Awolff9

As laughable as this sounds, I think we could be WC1 by the end of the season. Columbus is having the wheels come off fast. NYI hasn't been playing well. We still have 3 games with the Flyers and if somehow we win all 3, it's not totally impossible we are 3rd in the Metro.

I really dont agree that Kreider will age poorly, he's just so fast and strong

the Richards buyout was it's own distinct circumstance

they changed the rules in the CBA about front loading contracts and they had that one time only compliance buyout they were pretty much forced to utilize

I think the decision not to sign Kreider wont have as much to do with fear he will become less productive, but about the cap, expansion draft and NMC concerns more than anything else
- jimbro83

Yea I can see Kreider being an outlier. I think what makes him unique and all the coaches say it is his crazy workout regime and always keeping himself in top shape. I think that helps him age a bit better.

Trade deadline aside if the Rangers win tonight in Chicago. That’s 6 points behind with teams ahead of them with a game in hand on Carolina and they are coming up. Teams ahead of them are faltering. I Def think they can grab that wild card spot.
- Awolff9

If they trade Kreider I just don't know who fills that top 6 role. I see them dropping off even with Columbus and Isles struggling a bit.

I really dont agree that Kreider will age poorly, he's just so fast and strong

the Richards buyout was it's own distinct circumstance

they changed the rules in the CBA about front loading contracts and they had that one time only compliance buyout they were pretty much forced to utilize

I think the decision not to sign Kreider wont have as much to do with fear he will become less productive, but about the cap, expansion draft and NMC concerns more than anything else
- jimbro83

I just can't think of a comparable that has aged well that played a similar style to Kreider. Simmonds is pretty much a stiff now. Another guy that played for the Flyers, Scott Hartnell aged a bit better but then the wheels fell off for him pretty quickly too at the end. There's always the puke Marchand, but that guy is a borderline HOF and I'm not sure that would be a fair comparison.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think CK will turn into Lucic, but I'm struggling to see a best case scenario in terms of a long term contract. Even a streaky guy like James Neal who is having a fairly solid season, I'm not sure you'd say is worth 7 million. As I've said on the board before, give him a 4 or 5 year deal I'm all in. 7 X 7 show him the door.

Same here but that is a HUGE risk by them with potential to blow up in their face.
- B2B76

I remember when they traded Hagelin to the Ducks and I was like "ok, at least they traded him out west"

and then he was on Pittsburgh in like 5 minutes

Yea I can see Kreider being an outlier. I think what makes him unique and all the coaches say it is his crazy workout regime and always keeping himself in top shape. I think that helps him age a bit better.
- TPC

my own personal reasons for not signing Kreider are strictly next year's cap issues, a NMC and the expansion draft

him slowing down, not aging well are not my concerns

I just can't think of a comparable that has aged well that played a similar style to Kreider. Simmonds is pretty much a stiff now. Another guy that played for the Flyers, Scott Hartnell aged a bit better but then the wheels fell off for him pretty quickly too at the end. There's always the puke Marchand, but that guy is a borderline HOF and I'm not sure that would be a fair comparison.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think CK will turn into Lucic, but I'm struggling to see a best case scenario in terms of a long term contract. Even a streaky guy like James Neal who is having a fairly solid season, I'm not sure you'd say is worth 7 million. As I've said on the board before, give him a 4 or 5 year deal I'm all in. 7 X 7 show him the door.
- 2sticks1puck

That's the thing there really isn't a comparable. No power forward that I can think of has the speed Kreider does. He really is a rare species. Why no one really knows how he will age.

I remember when they traded Hagelin to the Ducks and I was like "ok, at least they traded him out west"

and then he was on Pittsburgh in like 5 minutes
- jimbro83

yep, hate trading a good player to a rival. At least with Sergei Zubov it was the opposite and we dealt him to Pittsburgh only for them to send him to Dallas a year later where he really flourished.

my own personal reasons for not signing Kreider are strictly next year's cap issues, a NMC and the expansion draft

him slowing down, not aging well are not my concerns
- jimbro83

Yep once I saw some of these crazy prices on players this deadline I knew it was over. No way the Rangers pass up on stocking up in this market. The cap sucks cause its only one year that is holding the franchise back. If only they could have made those Hank, Staal and Smith contracts one year shorter. Everything would be gravy then

yep, hate trading a good player to a rival. At least with Sergei Zubov it was the opposite and we dealt him to Pittsburgh only for them to send him to Dallas a year later where he really flourished.
- B2B76

I mean, we could very well trade Kreider to Colorado and either the Devils or Islanders sign him to a 7 year 50+ million deal July 1st

I think both teams will be all in on him July 1st no matter what

just get the best deal possible, IMO

That's the thing there really isn't a comparable. No power forward that I can think of has the speed Kreider does. He really is a rare species. Why no one really knows how he will age.
- TPC

I'll concede that one too you, we don't really know. 7 years in just a ton of risk and there aren't as many guys who are 35 and over thriving in the NHL at the current moment. A 7 year contract would take Kreider until he's 36.

I'd do 4/32 in a heartbeat. I know Jim is worried about cap issues, but I really think we can easily alleviate some of them. Staal/Smith buyouts aren't bad after this season and would only be an extra year of dead money.

I feel like if the Rangers don't sign Kreider to an extension, he's going to end up signing on July 1st with a team that annoys me anyway, so why not get the best possible package for him regardless of the team if they do decide to trade him?

if its the Islanders, so be it

their fans will have to watch 2 or 3 of their prized prospects have careers at the Garden

I have ZERO problem trading him to the Islanders if the Isles pay through the nose
- jimbro83

That's the thing there really isn't a comparable. No power forward that I can think of has the speed Kreider does. He really is a rare species. Why no one really knows how he will age.
- TPC

I also don't think Kreider compares to a lot of those "power forward" examples because he didn't often play the heavy physical game that they played almost exclusively. Is he big and strong? Absolutely. But, his speed and skill kept him engaged in other ways a lot of the time. Not just banging and crashing. Thinking back, I remember wishing he would have thrown the big hit more than cheering that he actually did.

NYR tipped hand ,stocked in D short on wings /centers

Not trading Krieds /Strome ..Fast for #2 will happen

Not trading Buchny either unless pkg'd in a bigger deal for top 3 wing or top left D

at least we still have Rykov to see on left side & if Hijak isnt traded

Exit strategy for HANK -Staal -Smith ...with needs of the nhl making these 3 possible

I hope they want to go for a cup more then go for some rounds of golf

I mean, we could very well trade Kreider to Colorado and either the Devils or Islanders sign him to a 7 year 50+ million deal July 1st

I think both teams will be all in on him July 1st no matter what

just get the best deal possible, IMO
- jimbro83

He certainly will help whoever he goes to big time. But for the Isles to give up a lot to the Rangers to get him with the chance of him walking in July I really don't see it. They're not a Cup ready team yet even with CK. Maybe they get to the Conference Finals, that's the highest ceiling I see the Islanders having this playoff year.

Hank & Krieds to Av's ? what do we get..only prospects or NHL talent

Hank & Krieds to Av's ? what do we get..only prospects or NHL talent
- NASHTYGUY

Newhook. People on this board may remember me really wanting the team to get him at the draft. He's currently lighting it up at Boston College. it's doubtful the Avs would want to deal him, especially after trading for Foote, but all discussions should begin with Newhook.

He certainly will help whoever he goes to big time. But for the Isles to give up a lot to the Rangers to get him with the chance of him walking in July I really don't see it. They're not a Cup ready team yet even with CK. Maybe they get to the Conference Finals, that's the highest ceiling I see the Islanders having this playoff year.
- B2B76

To an extent it's always been somewhat like this, but I think the Blues winning last year may trick teams that anyone can come in and steal the thing if they got hot. There was no world where the Canucks should have bought Toffoli, but yet here we are.

To an extent it's always been somewhat like this, but I think the Blues winning last year may trick teams that anyone can come in and steal the thing if they got hot. There was no world where the Canucks should have bought Toffoli, but yet here we are.
- 2sticks1puck

Or the Kings in 2012 went into that playoff as a 8th seed and just got epically HOT and won it all. A hot goalie and a team coming together can win in hockey unlike most of the other sports. Still the exception that happens and not the rule.

Or the Kings in 2012 went into that playoff as a 8th seed and just got epically HOT and won it all. A hot goalie and a team coming together can win in hockey unlike most of the other sports. Still the exception that happens and not the rule.
- B2B76

I agree it's the exception and not the norm, but other teams would see that and think they could be the next outlier. We can go back decades and find teams foolishly buying.