The returns have not been underwhelming at all though lol. Outside of the Demelo return, the rest of the trades over the past couple days have been overpayments, whether its slight like the Dillon trade or quite a lot like the Coleman. The market value is higher than expected, and lets be honest, everybody in the hockey world is saying its a sellers market right now.

Makes you wonder what the Devils could've gotten for Hall if they waited.
- vlongo4419

Hopefully they get the 10th overall pick. I'd be thrilled with that for Hall, not to mention Merkley and Bahl.

Hopefully they get the 10th overall pick. I'd be thrilled with that for Hall, not to mention Merkley and Bahl.
- MartysBetter88

Oh absolutely, if the Yotes fall down giving us another top 10 pick that would be huge. Merkley has been a very pleasant surprise so far and i love his game, its very early on in his career but his playstyle reminds me of the way Coleman plays. As for Bahl, i've heard nothing but good things about his development since he was drafted, so lets hope he can stay on that trajectory

Hopefully they get the 10th overall pick. I'd be thrilled with that for Hall, not to mention Merkley and Bahl.
- MartysBetter88

10th would be sick

10th would be sick
- shvingter88

probably won't happen.. but it could..

That guy must live in an alternate universe
- shvingter88

Yeah I really don't know what he was thinking.

To your point, yeah putting all of our eggs in one basket may be a little risky. I'm just saying, with all things being equal, they may go with someone they know. He's having a prolific year.

The Martinez to Vegas trade reported last night is officially done. A 2020 2nd and 2021 2nd going back to the Kings. No salary retention. Solid return for the Kings, i think we'll see a similar return for Vats, maybe a prospect instead of the extra 2nd instead.

The Martinez to Vegas trade reported last night is officially done. A 2020 2nd and 2021 2nd going back to the Kings. No salary retention. Solid return for the Kings, i think we'll see a similar return for Vats, maybe a prospect instead of the extra 2nd instead.
- vlongo4419

Looks like teams aren't willing to part with a 1st for a rental defenseman, which is reasonable. Vats having offensive upside might get us something extra, although his current injury doesn't make me feel great about it.

The Martinez to Vegas trade reported last night is officially done. A 2020 2nd and 2021 2nd going back to the Kings. Solid return for the Kings, i think we'll see a similar return for Vats, maybe a prospect instead of the extra 2nd instead.
- vlongo4419

I think Martinez is probably the better overall defenseman, but Sami being a point producer and under 30 may equate them. It definitely sets the tone.

I think Martinez is probably the better overall defenseman, but Sami being a point producer and under 30 may equate them. It definitely sets the tone.
- willschulme

Hmm idk, from what i've read Martinez has fallen off a cliff the past couple of year. Vats definitely has way more offensive upside, but i just feel that Vats is just an all around better player at this point in their careers. Atleast from "trade bait" boards and stuff like that Vats has always been the top D out there, whether it was rental names or not. So i figure our return should be similar or slightly better, depending if the injury affects his value at all. Kings fans seem thrilled with the return for him, and Vegas fans arent the happiest about it right now

The returns have not been underwhelming at all though lol. Outside of the Demelo return, the rest of the trades over the past couple days have been overpayments, whether its slight like the Dillon trade or quite a lot like the Coleman. The market value is higher than expected, and lets be honest, pretty much everybody in the hockey world has acknowledged its a sellers market right now with prices being high.

Makes you wonder what the Devils could've gotten for Hall if they waited.
- vlongo4419

Dillon was supposedly the best rental d man available (vatanan injury taken into consideration) and he didn’t even garner a conditional 1st!

That was an underwhelming return for San Jose. Coleman was a win. Every other trade was about equal or balanced in Favor of buyer.

It'll be interesting to see what we do with guys like Smith and Bahl at the end of their junior seasons. Obviously depending when their seasons end, we can bring them up to the big club to play a few games, but i think we can also send them to Bing and if we can i think that may be better for their development. Let them play in a meaningful playoff race and hopefully some playoff games. Also the young guys that are already up here, do they get sent down for those games as well? If they make the playoffs do we send a Jack Hughes down to play in the AHL playoffs(if we make it), ect?

Dillon was supposedly the best rental d man available (vatanan injury taken into consideration) and he didn’t even garner a conditional 1st!

That was an underwhelming return for San Jose. Coleman was a win. Every other trade was about equal or balanced in Favor of buyer.
- ChrisMS

Vatanen was/is considered the best rental D on the market lol. I mean TSNs board had Vatanen at #2, behind Kreider, while Dillon was at 4.

Dillon got a 2nd and conditional 3rd, Caps had to overpay with an extra pick because their 2nd should be extremely late. Scandella got a 2nd and conditional 4th, no way in hell is Scandella ever worth a 2nd alone let alone another pick on top of it. Demelo should have gotten a 2nd with the market prices and the Sens messed up there, that was the only underwhelming return. In the trade that was just confirmed, Martinez isnt worth two 2nds either, but the previous trades for rentals are upping the prices. Lol

Outside of the Sens trade, pretty much in every other trade the seller got more value than they realistically should have gotten, whether its by a lot or not. Clearly a sellers market, everybody knows it.

Vatanen was/is considered the best rental D on the market lol. I mean TSNs board had Vatanen at #2, behind Kreider, while Dillon was at 4.

Dillon got a 2nd and conditional 3rd, Caps had to overpay with an extra pick because their 2nd should be extremely late. Scandella got a 2nd and conditional 4th, no way in hell is Scandella ever worth a 2nd alone let alone another pick on top of it. Demelo should have gotten a 2nd with the market prices and the Sens messed up there, that was the only underwhelming return. In the trade that was just confirmed, Martinez isnt worth two 2nds either, but the previous trades for rentals are upping the prices. Lol

Outside of the Sens trade, pretty much in every other trade the seller got more value than they realistically should have gotten. Clearly a sellers market, everybody knows it.
- vlongo4419

I made it a point to say vatanens injury concerns hurt his value and that’s why Dillon was the tops. And he couldn’t even garner a conditional first from a possible cup contender. San Jose settles for a conditional late third. Scand got a likely late second as a top 4 d man. That one I see as pretty fair. There is no way to look at this deadline (so far at least) objectivity and call it a sellers market.

I made it a point to say vatanens injury concerns hurt his value and that’s why Dillon was the tops. And he couldn’t even garner a conditional first from a possible cup contender. San Jose settles for a conditional late third. Scand got a likely late second as a top 4 d man. That one I see as pretty fair. There is no way to look at this deadline (so far at least) objectivity and call it a sellers market.
- ChrisMS

According to reports out there his injury situation has not affected his value at all. You just flat our overrate players, because Scandella is nowhere near a top 4 D anymore, he's a bottom pair guy that you can occasionally move up for an injury fill-in. Dillon is decent, and the best D out there besides Vats, but its going to be hard to get anybody to give up a 1st in this draft for a pure rental, its just not going to happen unless its Kreider. The D market is just very shallow this year, and thats why prices are high and these D are getting back overvalued returns. You're legit the only person ive seen say its not a sellers market, when literally the biggest insiders in the league have gone on record themselves saying its a sellers market. Less true sellers are making the demand more, making it a sellers market. It is what it is

Heard people are already antsy about how Forsberg is being used under Hynes.
- willschulme

I'm having trouble getting a read on how things are going in Nashville. It seemed like their record under Hynes wasn't bad (10 wins and 8 losses no OT losses for a .556 win percentage) but that's pretty close to Laviolette who was at 19 Wins and 15 loses with 7 OT losses when fired. That's technically a .549 win percentage. So not much difference.

According to reports out there his injury situation has not affected his value at all. You just flat our overrate players, because Scandella is nowhere near a top 4 D anymore, he's a bottom pair guy that you can occasionally move up for an injury fill-in. Dillon is decent, and the best D out there besides Vats, but its going to be hard to get anybody to give up a 1st in this draft for a pure rental, its just not going to happen unless its Kreider. The D market is just very shallow this year, and thats why prices are high and these D are getting back overvalued returns. You're legit the only person ive seen say its not a sellers market, when literally the biggest insiders in the league have gone on record themselves saying its a sellers market. Less true sellers are making the demand more, making it a sellers market. It is what it is
- vlongo4419

You're crazy. It's clearly a buyers market. Who do you think all these teams are selling to? BUYERS.

No seriously I'm with you on all of this. Just let this guy believe whatever he wants. It doesn't matter. We'll see what the actual return on Vats is soon enough. He's the only guy the Devils NEED to move. The potential return on Simmonds is going to be small so whatever.

Guys this is really bothering me. Did kucherov, vasilevsky and hedman play for the same junior club?
- shvingter88

I didnt know you were talking about 67's., i thought you meant top end players spread out position wise on the nhl team.

According to reports out there his injury situation has not affected his value at all. You just flat our overrate players, because Scandella is nowhere near a top 4 D anymore, he's a bottom pair guy that you can occasionally move up for an injury fill-in. Dillon is decent, and the best D out there besides Vats, but its going to be hard to get anybody to give up a 1st in this draft for a pure rental, its just not going to happen unless its Kreider. The D market is just very shallow this year, and thats why prices are high and these D are getting back overvalued returns. You're legit the only person ive seen say its not a sellers market, when literally the biggest insiders in the league have gone on record themselves saying its a sellers market. Less true sellers are making the demand more, making it a sellers market. It is what it is
- vlongo4419

I get that you have a vested interest as a devils fan for believing this. Compare prices for players this year to years past and they are on par or lower. Not one non conditional 1st has been moved yet! It’s a down year for sellers.

You're crazy. It's clearly a buyers market. Who do you think all these teams are selling to? BUYERS.

No seriously I'm with you on all of this. Just let this guy believe whatever he wants. It doesn't matter. We'll see what the actual return on Vats is soon enough. He's the only guy the Devils NEED to move. The potential return on Simmonds is going to be small so whatever.
- Queenie_5_hole

Yeah i agree. I think we'll be satisfied from the return. And i saw reports earlier from the TSN Radio Vancouver twitter that the Canucks were interested in Simmonds or Wood, and are willing to part with a B tier defense prospect. So depending on if it happens, that could be a decent return

I get that you have a vested interest as a devils fan for believing this. Compare prices for players this year to years past and they are on par or lower. Not one non conditional 1st has been moved yet! It’s a down year for sellers.
- ChrisMS

I mean having interest as a vested devils fan has nothing to do with it, I just see read whats happening and see it with my eyes. These D are getting 2nds+ and arent actually worth it. Vatanen is arguably the best D available and hes realistically a #4 D.

You cant compare deadline prices from year to year, because the market changes and teams' needs change. The quality and amount of rentals change and the number of teams being full sellers or buyers change. This year is considered a bad year for defense rentals. If you seriously think Scandella is a top 4 D and worth a 2nd round pickj + then idk what to tell you, considering the best D's available in Dillon and Vats are both #4's playing higher than that because their teams suck. A realistic return for Vatanen is a 2nd round pick, nothing more. But because of what the market is, he'll end up getting more. How much more? We'll need to see

Like i said, it is what it is. Believe what you want, but ill stick to whats actually being reported and listen to the people who actually know what they're talking about.

I didnt know you were talking about 67's., i thought you meant top end players spread out position wise on the nhl team.
- Leniwm1

Oh god no. This team has zero skill. Draft all the centers or whatever.

Oh absolutely, if the Yotes fall down giving us another top 10 pick that would be huge. Merkley has been a very pleasant surprise so far and i love his game, its very early on in his career but his playstyle reminds me of the way Coleman plays. As for Bahl, i've heard nothing but good things about his development since he was drafted, so lets hope he can stay on that trajectory
- vlongo4419

Neither are as fast but Anderson reminds me a lot more of Coleman

Honestly, almost any return for Simmonds would be great. Just a few years ago, he would have easily gotten you a 1st+. Now, he's less than a shadow of what he was. The Wayne Simmonds of 3 years ago would also have pummeled the player (forget who it was) that dropped Hughes, now he just gently shoves him and asks him not to do it again.

I loved Simmonds, as did most Flyers fans, but he's done.
- jmatchett383

You are correct. Simmonds has lost all physicality, and can't pass the puck to save his life. He gets PP goals while parked in front of the net, but can anyone honestly say he was any better than 800k stafford??? Near identical roles and numbers. He is just a shadow of his philly days. And yes, while threatening the big Hughes hitter, Palms decided it was enough and dropped the mitts.

Honestly, if we do ship Simmonds, Hayden will fill that role just fine.

Neither are as fast but Anderson reminds me a lot more of Coleman
- Senor_Elias

I can see it with Anderson, but he's just not as physical as Coleman, which Merkley has shown flashes that he can be. Merkley seems to have a lot more sandpaper in his game which is a lot of what Coleman brought to the table

People who want Byfield somehow already forget Zacha was drafted for the same reason.
- Pomegrant

If we somehow move up to #2, I'd like to see them trade down to pick 4 or 5 and pick up more assets. At pick 4 or 5 the best player available will be one of Drysdale, Raymond or Holtz any one of them would help us with a glaring need.

Assuming Vancouver makes the playoffs and the Coyotes don't win the lottery there's some really good D prospects projected to go mid-late in the 1st round too.