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Forums :: Blog World :: Todd Cordell: On Simmonds, Vatanen, Palmieri, and more potential deadline trades
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smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Feb 19 @ 4:23 PM ET
That one was about fair

Hall. Underwhelming

Zucker. Fair

Coleman. Seller won

Demilo underwhelming

Dillon underwhelming

Camball Clifford. Fair

Scand. Fair.


What says sellers market here?

- ChrisMS


Got a pretty good return for Greene too. Vatanen would be a rental so who knows what the price would be, but if they decided to move Palmieri I would assume it would take a Coleman or better return.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Feb 19 @ 4:31 PM ET
I mean having interest as a vested devils fan has nothing to do with it, I just see read whats happening and see it with my eyes. These D are getting 2nds+ and arent actually worth it. Vatanen is arguably the best D available and hes realistically a #4 D.

You cant compare deadline prices from year to year, because the market changes and teams' needs change. The quality and amount of rentals change and the number of teams being full sellers or buyers change. This year is considered a bad year for defense rentals. If you seriously think Scandella is a top 4 D and worth a 2nd round pickj + then idk what to tell you, considering the best D's available in Dillon and Vats are both #4's playing higher than that because their teams suck. A realistic return for Vatanen is a 2nd round pick, nothing more. But because of what the market is, he'll end up getting more. How much more? We'll need to see

Like i said, it is what it is. Believe what you want, but ill stick to whats actually being reported and listen to the people who actually know what they're talking about.

- vlongo4419


Thats a fair assessment. Vats has been our best D over the past 3 seasons, but we were never a contender. On a good team, he would be 3/4 in their depth charts. With Marinez and Scandella landing solid returns, I expect Vats to fetch a 1st, especially if 50% cap is retained.

Personally, I feel the ambidextrous D would be best suited to help the Panthers. Matheson/Stralman are not bringing any offense. I think a Vat/Ekblad pairing could work, with the overly offensive Yandle to have Stralman back holding down the fort. I just think Vats offense would blend with that system and high caliber offense nicely.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Feb 19 @ 4:36 PM ET
10th would be sick
- shvingter88


Obviously the lottery will likely chance positions, but as it stands today,we are drafting 4th 13th, 16th. Yotes could certainly drop a couple spots if they don't address their need for centres.
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

Feb 19 @ 5:11 PM ET
If we somehow move up to #2, I'd like to see them trade down to pick 4 or 5 and pick up more assets. At pick 4 or 5 the best player available will be one of Drysdale, Raymond or Holtz any one of them would help us with a glaring need.

Assuming Vancouver makes the playoffs and the Coyotes don't win the lottery there's some really good D prospects projected to go mid-late in the 1st round too.

- smellmyfinger

I'm hesitant to think that moving picks around works out, but I'm not saying anything is off the table as long as the asset management looks good.
Pomegrant
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2010

Feb 19 @ 6:17 PM ET
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@DhaliwalSports
hearing #Canucks are still very much in mix for Wayne Simmonds, D prospect could be going back to New Jersey

Anything is an over payment so I'll take prospect I don't know anything about.
vlongo4419
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.31.2013

Feb 19 @ 6:23 PM ET
Anything is an over payment so I'll take prospect I don't know anything about.
- Pomegrant


That'd be a major W for us if that were the case. Canucks GM did say he now would prefer to give up prospects over picks for rentals if he finds a deal. But i cant see him giving up a Woo for Simmonds, i think it'd be a lesser prospect than him if they come to a deal. Woo is a solid B prospect, very physical D for only being 6'0. But if he thinks thats what'd it takes maybe hes just that desperate to try to make the playoffs

To add onto this, Friedman just reported the Canucks interest as well on Simmonds, and name dropped Juolevi as a possible return. Benning may just be desperate enough to give up a decent D prospect.
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Feb 19 @ 6:29 PM ET
Is there a deal for Kap or Nylander in Toronto? They need D. We'd have to give up more but could be worth it?
Queenie_5_hole
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 05.01.2015

Feb 19 @ 6:30 PM ET
That'd be a major W for us if that were the case. Canucks GM did say he now would prefer to give up prospects over picks for rentals if he finds a deal. But i cant see him giving up a Woo for Simmonds, i think it'd be a lesser prospect than him if they come to a deal. Woo is a solid B prospect, very physical D for only being 6'0. But if he thinks thats what'd it takes maybe hes just that desperate to try to make the playoffs
- vlongo4419


If they are hesitant to move a quality prospect we could give them Simmonds and a later round pick back. These things always come down to how much the GMs really want to get things done.

Woo seems like we’d have to give them Simmonds and maybe a fourth. IDK. Just spitballing.
vlongo4419
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.31.2013

Feb 19 @ 6:38 PM ET
If they are hesitant to move a quality prospect we could give them Simmonds and a later round pick back. These things always come down to how much the GMs really want to get things done.

Woo seems like we’d have to give them Simmonds and maybe a fourth. IDK. Just spitballing.

- Queenie_5_hole


I'd be perfectly willing to add a mid-late round pick onto Simmonds if it got us a Woo tbh. But we'll see what happens, Benning seems like he could be a bit desperate. Woo would absolutely be my target, but they have a couple other decent D prospects as well
willschulme
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.06.2013

Feb 19 @ 7:47 PM ET
If they're dumb enough to give us Juolevi or especially Woo for Simmonds, I want that done yesterday.
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Feb 19 @ 7:51 PM ET
If they're dumb enough to give us Juolevi or especially Woo for Simmonds, I want that done yesterday.
- willschulme



I’d think if this were the case it wouldn’t be a rumor, it would be a done deal. Unless the hold up is what NJ has to add to get it done.
willschulme
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.06.2013

Feb 19 @ 7:52 PM ET
I’d think if this were the case it wouldn’t be a rumor, it would be a done deal. Unless the hold up is what NJ has to add to get it done.
- smellmyfinger

I'd imagine the barrier is salary. They probably want us to take on Loui
smellmyfinger
New Jersey Devils
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.28.2011

Feb 19 @ 7:58 PM ET
I'd imagine the barrier is salary. They probably want us to take on Loui
- willschulme


That’s a bad one, and still has two more years.
shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Feb 19 @ 8:09 PM ET
That’s a bad one, and still has two more years.
- smellmyfinger

Good thing the devils will still suck for those two years
vlongo4419
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 07.31.2013

Feb 19 @ 8:12 PM ET
That’s a bad one, and still has two more years.
- smellmyfinger


Perfectly fine for our cap situation. Doubt the owners would wanna pay it though
MartysBetter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: 94Nevermore, NJ
Joined: 07.01.2010

Feb 19 @ 11:10 PM ET
Dallas making our dreams come true. Go Canucks go.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Feb 20 @ 12:22 AM ET
Dallas making our dreams come true. Go Canucks go.
- MartysBetter88


Hall is gonna get us a top 10 pick and then re-sign a 4 year, 10M AAV deal with the devs
TRDevil
New Jersey Devils
Location: Toms River, NJ
Joined: 04.04.2014

Feb 20 @ 8:03 AM ET
Devils fans watching Twitter hoping for trade news

shvingter88
New Jersey Devils
Location: Puljujarvi makes draisitil and mcdavid better, CT
Joined: 10.12.2009

Feb 20 @ 8:17 AM ET
Devils fans watching Twitter hoping for trade news


- TRDevil

All the picks

We might actually get one nhl player if we pick 20 times
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Feb 20 @ 9:54 AM ET
I heard something about Sev to Toronto. not sure if it was bs, but something to think about I suppose.
dmarsden2988
New Jersey Devils
Location: stafford is about equal to rya, NJ
Joined: 03.07.2011

Feb 20 @ 10:05 AM ET
I heard something about Sev to Toronto. not sure if it was bs, but something to think about I suppose.
- Leniwm1


See the problem with that is unless we are sure we can re-sign vats our defense which is already terrible will be even worse for a while

Subban butcher Smith Mueller and possibly bahl for next year (am I forgetting anyone?)

If we draft a dman in 1st round will they even be ready? No need to rush

Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Feb 20 @ 10:08 AM ET
See the problem with that is unless we are sure we can re-sign vats our defense which is already terrible will be even worse for a while

Subban butcher Smith Mueller and possibly bahl for next year (am I forgetting anyone?)

If we draft a dman in 1st round will they even be ready? No need to rush

- dmarsden2988


Maybe Palms could be heading to Avs for one of their D as well?
dmarsden2988
New Jersey Devils
Location: stafford is about equal to rya, NJ
Joined: 03.07.2011

Feb 20 @ 10:23 AM ET
Schneider has been called up

Also defender mermis from Binghamton.....that's interesting
Leniwm1
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 02.24.2015

Feb 20 @ 10:24 AM ET
Schneider has been called up

Also defender mermis from Binghamton.....that's interesting

- dmarsden2988


If Cory plays I bet a team inquired to watch and scout. We'll eat salary for sure, but interesting indeed.

NVMD, Cory is backing.
dmarsden2988
New Jersey Devils
Location: stafford is about equal to rya, NJ
Joined: 03.07.2011

Feb 20 @ 10:26 AM ET
Maybe Palms could be heading to Avs for one of their D as well?
- Leniwm1


Possibly

Not sure who we would get for him though not sure if they will trade byram for palms they may try to give us zadarov for palms
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