leafs want d trade ghost there
- 2Real

for Kapanen straight up.

Thanks everyone!

how about someone like a Craig Smith from the Preds
- wcorvette

Not good enough. Feel like he falls into the category of making a trade for the sake of making of trade. Not worth the pieces you would give up.

The fact that this team is where it is despite: not having the production from G, Jake, even JVR, and esp. Ghost; despite losing 2 of your top 9 guys in Oskar and Nolan for the season, should tell you that this team is ready to contend.

I wonder what the blues hockeybuzz feed looked like this time last year?

I agree with Bill; you can't know and you won't know unless you go for it.
- Bryz's Buyout Fund

What did the feed on hockeybuzz for all the teams that didn't win look like? Far more of them!

You also have some much parody in this league you will never be sure you are a lock for the playoffs, look at the Metro this year, a real good team will not make it. As young players continue to come in, players like Braun and Nisk will phase out, but they are 2 important players right now. The point being, how much upside will the next young guns bring beyond a NISK. Yes Sanheim and the gang should get better but then you need to assimilate 2 more D when Braun and Nisk go. Do the Flyers really have that can't miss impact forward coming? Or will Frost mature and offset G as he declines a little?

Add in the draft is producing really good players, that means all teams have a shot at getting better, quick. Teams have figured out when to move roster players to stack picks. Even Pitt, with their lack of picks will find a way to load up on picks. They will eventually trade Malkin and others and stock up. The Rangers rebuild will not take as long as the Flyers have to rebuild. I honestly believe teams today have a good blueprint to rebuild quicker, even compared to when Hextall started the rebuild.

you think you are in, you have to go for it.
- wcorvette

Did the Rangers go for it in adding Panarin and Trouba? Where are they? Will they get in?

Man, just as the reality of the Flyers not having Patrick & Lindblom for the rest of this season had settled in for me, all this future talk comes up and just rips the scab right off...

It's truly unbelievable how big of a blow it will be to this organization moving forward if both never plays again. I know Patrick is skating and is widely expected to play hockey again at some point, but after going through all this crap and there being no definitive end in sight for his condition, it's very hard to envision him ever reaching his projected ceiling from when he was drafted. I really hope I'm wrong about feeling that way. It just blows to think about the future and not be able to include those two very promising young players.

Did the Rangers go for it in adding Panarin and Trouba? Where are they? Will they get in?
- MJL

Panarin signing was good

Trouba trade and subsequent signing is bad

Rangers made a bet that Pansrin would be the best free agent signing for a few years and I think they're right. They should never have made the trouba trade. Issue is now they can't decide if they're sellers or not

Varone acquires by the Pens so hes gonna score 25 goals playing with Malkin lol

Man, just as the reality of the Flyers not having Patrick & Lindblom for the rest of this season had settled in for me, all this future talk comes up and just rips the scab right off...

It's truly unbelievable how big of a blow it will be to this organization moving forward if both never plays again. I know Patrick is skating and is widely expected to play hockey again at some point, but after going through all this crap and there being no definitive end in sight for his condition, it's very hard to envision him ever reaching his projected ceiling from when he was drafted. I really hope I'm wrong about feeling that way. It just blows to think about the future and not be able to include those two very promising young players.
- Big_E_88

Yeah, Oskar was on his way to 30 goals. Devastating. I don't expect Patrick back. Especially down the stretch and into the playoffs where the physical play is ramped up x100.

Good jinx as literally tonight both will probably get blown up.

- opeth_pa

[quote=MJL]Did the Rangers go for it in adding Panarin and Trouba? NO THEY DIDN'T Where are they? WHERE THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE Will they get in? NO THEY WON'T

[quote=MJL]Did the Rangers go for it in adding Panarin and Trouba? NO THEY DIDN'T Where are they? WHERE THEY THOUGHT THEY WOULD BE Will they get in? NO THEY WON'T
- wcorvette

No they didnt go for it? They thought with those moves they'd be a non playoff team?

No they didnt go for it? They thought with those moves they'd be a non playoff team?
- MJL

Yes, I think they knew it was a real possibility they would not make the playoffs. Both moves were for the long term, not short term adds.

Yes, I think they knew it was a real possibility they would not make the playoffs. Both moves were for the long term, not short term adds.
- wcorvette

they also added kakko. they definitely thought they were going to be contenders this year. not saying the moves won't also benefit them in the future, but they for sure thought they were playoff bound.

so did new jersey.

they also added kakko. they definitely thought they were going to be contenders this year. not saying the moves won't also benefit them in the future, but they for sure thought they were playoff bound.

so did new jersey.
- Ftown19125

there were probably 29 teams that thought they were. The other side is they knew they were rebuilding, plus they knew they were changing up their key "go to" players. My guess is that they felt they could make the playoffs but they knew they might not too. I don't think they were going for it by signing Panarin etc. They would have went for him, Trouba and drafted Kakko either way

Per TSN

"The last time the Flyers were buyers at the trade deadline was back in 2012 , which is also the last time Philadelphia also won a playoff round. This year’s Flyers are right on the playoff bubble despite holding the eighth-best record in the NHL, and there is probably a fair amount of pressure on GM Chuck Fletcher to get into the dance. The biggest question is the status of Nolan Patrick. The Flyers signed Kevin Hayes so Patrick, the 2017 second-overall pick, could grow in the third-line centre role. Patrick has sat out the entire season with a migraine disorder, but recently resumed full practices with the team, possibly giving Fletcher pause when considering whether another centre like Jean-Gabriel Pageau is a necessity or a luxury. Either way, Fletcher doesn’t seem interested in parting with his first-round pick to land Pageau."

Per TSN

"The last time the Flyers were buyers at the trade deadline was back in 2012 , which is also the last time Philadelphia also won a playoff round. This year’s Flyers are right on the playoff bubble despite holding the eighth-best record in the NHL, and there is probably a fair amount of pressure on GM Chuck Fletcher to get into the dance. The biggest question is the status of Nolan Patrick. The Flyers signed Kevin Hayes so Patrick, the 2017 second-overall pick, could grow in the third-line centre role. Patrick has sat out the entire season with a migraine disorder, but recently resumed full practices with the team, possibly giving Fletcher pause when considering whether another centre like Jean-Gabriel Pageau is a necessity or a luxury. Either way, Fletcher doesn’t seem interested in parting with his first-round pick to land Pageau."
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I actually don't want to see them part with their first rounder for a rental. with Patrick and Linblom being question marks moving forward and first rounders like Morin and Rubstov being questionable picks now due to injury i just pause with trading away picks for rentals.

Yes, I think they knew it was a real possibility they would not make the playoffs. Both moves were for the long term, not short term adds.
- wcorvette

It's a possibility for any team. You aren't saying anything here and are dodging. You don't make those moves with the expectation that you won't be a playoff team.

Smh @ the Pens blog headline-- "let me Sheary the penguins deadline plans with you" this is just deplorable and should be removed immediately

It's hindsight but I know the answer. Columbus was still not goo enough. GM's need to decide when to make those kinds of moves and when not to. Flyers can compete with any team in my opinion. Could they make a run? Sure if Hart plays extremely well and young players step up. Realistically though, they still need more youth development and time. Make the gamble or play long ball? No doubt Fletcher has corporate pressure but don't make the mistake and over evaluating your team. I've seen years and years of going for it. I want to see a team built that can realistically compete for the Cup over a significant period of time.
- MJL

It wasn’t hindsight for Columbus. They wanted to make the best of their opportunity, with no playoff success prior.

Per TSN

"The last time the Flyers were buyers at the trade deadline was back in 2012 , which is also the last time Philadelphia also won a playoff round. This year’s Flyers are right on the playoff bubble despite holding the eighth-best record in the NHL, and there is probably a fair amount of pressure on GM Chuck Fletcher to get into the dance. The biggest question is the status of Nolan Patrick. The Flyers signed Kevin Hayes so Patrick, the 2017 second-overall pick, could grow in the third-line centre role. Patrick has sat out the entire season with a migraine disorder, but recently resumed full practices with the team, possibly giving Fletcher pause when considering whether another centre like Jean-Gabriel Pageau is a necessity or a luxury. Either way, Fletcher doesn’t seem interested in parting with his first-round pick to land Pageau."
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

disagree, with nolan patrick's status being biggest question. This late in the season, with the real season / stretch run about to start, I don't see him coming back. The physical play hits a new level, and I doubt the org. wants to expose him to that. In addition, how significant of a contribution do you expect him to make? TSN saying "the former 2nd overall pick could grow into a 3rd line center role" is laughable. We def drafted him number 2 overall to be scott laughton 2.0. nice.

agree, that a first for jgp (pending ufa) is a waste. If you're going to make a trade, get someone who will make an impact beyond this year.

IMO, any pick in the top 40-50 is not worth trading for a rental for the Flyers.

If it's a piece to acquire a long-term major component, OK maybe I could see it. But this year's draft is way too deep to gamble. Plus I like our roster as-is for being able to steal a round if we make it to the postseason.

Did the Rangers go for it in adding Panarin and Trouba? Where are they? Will they get in?
- MJL

I’m not looking to argue as much as I’m trying to point out, each deal is always a gamble. I would argue the Flyers have a much better structure and Philosophy than the Rangers. When Kimmo Timonen decided in advanced he was and both sides moved on, we didn’t have a number one defenseman and this huge gaping black hole was obvious. Getting to my point, we are strong at every position assuming our team decides to show up every night. Number one center, number defenseman, top line wingers, number one goalie.

disagree, with nolan patrick's status being biggest question. This late in the season, with the real season / stretch run about to start, I don't see him coming back. The physical play hits a new level, and I doubt the org. wants to expose him to that. In addition, how significant of a contribution do you expect him to make? TSN saying "the former 2nd overall pick could grow into a 3rd line center role" is laughable. We def drafted him number 2 overall to be scott laughton 2.0. nice.

agree, that a first for jgp (pending ufa) is a waste. If you're going to make a trade, get someone who will make an impact beyond this year.
- Bryz's Buyout Fund

If Patrick get medically cleared to play they will probably send him to the Phantoms to play to get in game shape. If he plays well there, they will play him at the NHL level. No reason not to.

You missed the point of the article. The point was with Couturier and Hayes, Patrick could fit into a 3rd line center role and see better matchups to help him improve as a player. Less pressure and better situations. You need at least 3 good lines in today's NHL.

Per TSN

"The last time the Flyers were buyers at the trade deadline was back in 2012 , which is also the last time Philadelphia also won a playoff round. This year’s Flyers are right on the playoff bubble despite holding the eighth-best record in the NHL, and there is probably a fair amount of pressure on GM Chuck Fletcher to get into the dance. The biggest question is the status of Nolan Patrick. The Flyers signed Kevin Hayes so Patrick, the 2017 second-overall pick, could grow in the third-line centre role. Patrick has sat out the entire season with a migraine disorder, but recently resumed full practices with the team, possibly giving Fletcher pause when considering whether another centre like Jean-Gabriel Pageau is a necessity or a luxury. Either way, Fletcher doesn’t seem interested in parting with his first-round pick to land Pageau."
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Patrick is taking part in full practices???

If Patrick get medically cleared to play they will probably send him to the Phantoms to play to get in game shape. If he plays well there, they will play him at the NHL level. No reason not to.

You missed the point of the article. The point was with Couturier and Hayes, Patrick could fit into a 3rd line center role and see better matchups to help him improve as a player. Less pressure and better situations. You need at least 3 good lines in today's NHL.
- MJL

Sure. First round match up against Wsh, in game update: "Nolan Patrick leaves games with upper body injury, will not return" and that's the tea.

Less pressure, better situations? hmm let's take the training wheels off shall we? Shut him down, and have him give it a go next year. The team is doing just fine without him.