Those stats are fine if you don’t get to watch your own team play, not needed if your Keefe/Dubas..they get to watch the tape and I’m sure they can figure out if the goalie just sucked or he was beat by a good shot / play - poor d etc etc

I don’t care about the rest of the league

JMO of course.
- Garnie

So many of those spreadsheet surfers try to quantify things that require context. If hockey were played by robots and every play was exactly the same, those numbers would hold more weight. But so many different things can happen at any given moment, you really have to see what's happening to give those numbers context.

Even if we took those numbers to be the truth, the fact that the Leafs are "average" defensively, is still a knock against a team that wants to be a contender. You'd think teams like St. Louis would be at the very top of the list.

Stetcher is small, so he's not good.. We need moar Gubrandson
- PatC80

Dudbranson

Haula atcha boi.
- AdamFrench

estaalo comin home

but Stetcher is not a 6th D-man..

Quinn Hughes rapid development took over some of his ice time, but last year Stetcher played close to 20 minutes a night. That's not a bottom pairing guy minutes
- PatC80

Oh but he is this year.

Where was Vancouver last year? Where are they this year?

Please, enough with Vancouver leftovers and garbage. That guy is not the answer for the Leafs just the same way Ceci wasn't the answer.

you were right about a thing

nice
- daeth

He’s always right after, except offer sheets...he was almost right.

Oh but he is this year.

Where was Vancouver last year? Where are they this year?

Please, enough with Vancouver leftovers and garbage. That guy is not the answer for the Leafs just the same way Ceci wasn't the answer.
- JohnFergusonJr

Florida has a game in hand and an easier schedule. Foot must remain on gas.

Oh but he is this year.

Where was Vancouver last year? Where are they this year?

Please, enough with Vancouver leftovers and garbage. That guy is not the answer for the Leafs just the same way Ceci wasn't the answer.
- JohnFergusonJr

We need it for a trade
- RogerRoeper

Oh well, no sense crying over spilled milk.

They’ll find a way if something comes available.

Oh but he is this year.

Where was Vancouver last year? Where are they this year?

Please, enough with Vancouver leftovers and garbage. That guy is not the answer for the Leafs just the same way Ceci wasn't the answer.
- JohnFergusonJr

Wow....i agree. This is new territory for me. Now you have said your piece...someone agrees with you. Move on.

Is it fair to say, you haven't watch Stetcher play?
- PatC80

I don't know. Stetcher's marginally better than someone like Tim Heed, I guess?

If you have Ceci on the 5/6 pairing - sheltered from better competition, he is probably a better option than Stetcher. Most of Ceci's numbers this year look worse when you don't remove his earlier context in a top-2 or top-4 role. When he played as a 5/6 guy, he'd been decently effective.

Now, Stetcher would be preferrable to Marincin. But I don't think he's flippable. If you move Barrie, you want to get a pick and a prospect that you can use as capital with a Dermott, a Bracco, a Liljegren if necessary . . . to try and get the Magical Unicorn.

So many of those spreadsheet surfers try to quantify things that require context. If hockey were played by robots and every play was exactly the same, those numbers would hold more weight. But so many different things can happen at any given moment, you really have to see what's happening to give those numbers context.

Even if we took those numbers to be the truth, the fact that the Leafs are "average" defensively, is still a knock against a team that wants to be a contender. You'd think teams like St. Louis would be at the very top of the list.
- JohnFergusonJr

A good statistician quantifies the context as well

Sidenote...bogosians contract was terminated? Would he be a decent short term acquisition? I haven't watched him in years.

Sidenote...bogosians contract was terminated? Would he be a decent short term acquisition? I haven't watched him in years.
- mykokes

His contract was terminated because Buffalo demoted him.

Read into that how you want I guess? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I don't know. Stetcher's marginally better than someone like Tim Heed, I guess?

If you have Ceci on the 5/6 pairing - sheltered from better competition, he is probably a better option than Stetcher. Most of Ceci's numbers this year look worse when you don't remove his earlier context in a top-2 or top-4 role. When he played as a 5/6 guy, he'd been decently effective.

Now, Stetcher would be preferrable to Marincin. But I don't think he's flippable. If you move Barrie, you want to get a pick and a prospect that you can use as capital with a Dermott, a Bracco, a Liljegren if necessary . . . to try and get the Magical Unicorn.
- Monkeypunk

I would prefer a magical unicorn to Stetcher as well.. Stetcher losing ice time to Quinn Hughes is not a knock on him, it's a credit to Quinn Hughes.

I think Stetcher could be a good addition to the Leafs, but, he is not someone I would pair with Morgan Rielly

- PatC80

Oh but but but Ceci played top minutes and killed penalties and he could come in and fit in nicely with the Leafs on the right side...ERRRR....WRONG. Worse than Zaitsev. Luckily his contract isn't.

Vancouver looks at Chris Tanev and they look at Stetcher and they play Tanev more. That's a damning bad sign.

Small, playing 6th D minutes in Vancouver = Pass.

Sidenote...bogosians contract was terminated? Would he be a decent short term acquisition? I haven't watched him in years.
- mykokes

(frank) no.

Can't even get a roster spot in Buffalo? Done.

I would prefer a magical unicorn to Stetcher as well.. Stetcher losing ice time to Quinn Hughes is not a knock on him, it's a credit to Quinn Hughes.

I think Stetcher could be a good addition to the Leafs, but, he is not someone I would pair with Morgan Rielly
- PatC80

When you made that comment, I looked at Stetcher's underlying numbers (I've seen Vancouver a few times this year, but he just doesn't stand out, so I can't really . . . place him in my mind) from last year, and you're right. They are probably decent. He was playing a 3/4 role, and he wasn't getting caved in doing it.

(frank) no.

Can't even get a roster spot in Buffalo? Done.
- JohnFergusonJr

and multiple hip surgeries I think.

Sounds like he is done.

I don't know. Stetcher's marginally better than someone like Tim Heed, I guess?

If you have Ceci on the 5/6 pairing - sheltered from better competition, he is probably a better option than Stetcher. Most of Ceci's numbers this year look worse when you don't remove his earlier context in a top-2 or top-4 role. When he played as a 5/6 guy, he'd been decently effective.

Now, Stetcher would be preferrable to Marincin. But I don't think he's flippable. If you move Barrie, you want to get a pick and a prospect that you can use as capital with a Dermott, a Bracco, a Liljegren if necessary . . . to try and get the Magical Unicorn.
- Monkeypunk

Get rid of Tavares and Nylander. This would fetch a lot more than a couple of good d-men. Who'd wanna take on Tavares's salary though....vastly overpaid.

Get rid of Tavares and Nylander. This would fetch a lot more than a couple of good d-men. Who'd wanna take on Tavares's salary though....vastly overpaid.
- 93Cup

Look it's king of the plookers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL5usTutJgU

Get rid of Tavares and Nylander. This would fetch a lot more than a couple of good d-men. Who'd wanna take on Tavares's salary though....vastly overpaid.
- 93Cup

Ummm...no.

Holland on Puljujarvi: "Nobody's really asked".

Dubas should ask. That's a decent piece to get for Barrie to either develop on a cheap ELC (makes it way easier to trade Kerfoot / Johnsson) or to use as part of a package in the future. Rebuild his value with a season playing RW beside Tavares.

- winsix

galaxies are far far away