The RFA compensation (multiple first round draft picks potentially) is a joke. If a team is not willing to pay their player, that's on them. They should absolutely not be rewarded with draft pick compensation for not matching an offer sheet.

That's why if you notice, a player like Matthews in tor elected to go with a 5 year deal, instead of the 7 or 8 year term. Allows him to walk as a UFA at 27 year old still in the heart of his prime.

When a player like Mackinnon is suggesting himself to be willing to take a pay cut to help the Avs out, there's a problem. He shouldn't under any circumstances have to take a pay cut.
- Bryz's Buyout Fund

So in your scenario a team should not be offered compensation for not matching an offer sheet for an RFA player, what makes that different from the player being a UFA?
MacKinnon doesn't have to take a pay cut under any circumstances. He is choosing to do so if he wants to.

Forget bills thread and just enjoy a day in the leafs thread. And read over last night.

Pure gold

So in your scenario a team should not be offered compensation for not matching an offer sheet for an RFA player, what makes that different from the player being a UFA?
MacKinnon doesn't have to take a pay cut under any circumstances. He is choosing to do so if he wants to.
- MJL

Correct. And I think comparing multi-billion dollar sports leagues and their respective player compensation is sound. Sure it's relative, but you aren't talking peanuts here. I think at the minimum the Cap should be raised much higher.

LOL he will have to unless he want his team to be a bunch of nick cousins' and himself.

Correct. And I think comparing multi-billion dollar sports leagues and their respective player compensation is sound. Sure it's relative, but you aren't talking peanuts here. I think at the minimum the Cap should be raised much higher.

LOL he will have to unless he want his team to be a bunch of nick cousins' and himself.
- Bryz's Buyout Fund

Correct? So you think every player who is unsigned should be an unrestricted free agent to sign with any team?

Do you have any concept on how they determine what the salary cap upper limit is?

On what basis is comparing the salaries of players in different sports league sound?

Correct? So you think every player who is unsigned should be an unrestricted free agent to sign with any team?

Do you have any concept on how they determine what the salary cap upper limit is?

On what basis is comparing the salaries of players in different sports league sound?
- MJL

Perhaps lessen the RFA compensation? I look at the Laine bridge deal, 2 years at 6.75 per and he's still an RFA at the end of it! He is at the mercy of the Jets, the cap, and the RFA pick compensation. There's no question he deserves to be paid like Matthews, but a team won't do it because of the 1) hard cap 2) because that deal would result in them forking over 4 consecutive 1st round picks to the Jets. That's a joke.

Perhaps lessen the RFA compensation? I look at the Laine bridge deal, 2 years at 6.75 per and he's still an RFA at the end of it! He is at the mercy of the Jets, the cap, and the RFA pick compensation. There's no question he deserves to be paid like Matthews, but a team won't do it because of the 1) hard cap 2) because that deal would result in them forking over 4 consecutive 1st round picks to the Jets. That's a joke.
- Bryz's Buyout Fund

With each post, you show more of a lack of understanding of the cap and player contracts. Laine, if he continues to score well has set himself up very well. A bridge deal for a top player sets him up for an even bigger payday deeper into his career. There is a risk for the player if he doesn't continue to produce. You keep calling things a joke without an understanding. As if a team should just be able to take away a player from a team who drafted and developed a player early in his career without heavy compensation. Especially with a team that has a higher level of revenue targeting a team with lesser financial strength.

Forget bills thread and just enjoy a day in the leafs thread. And read over last night.

Pure gold
- Just5

Already did that, it was very entertaining

With each post, you show more of a lack of understanding of the cap and player contracts. Laine, if he continues to score well has set himself up very well. A bridge deal for a top player sets him up for an even bigger payday deeper into his career. There is a risk for the player if he doesn't continue to produce. You keep calling things a joke without an understanding. As if a team should just be able to take away a player from a team who drafted and developed a player early in his career without heavy compensation. Especially with a team that has a higher level of revenue targeting a team with lesser financial strength.
- MJL

lmao! are you kidding? Laine, has proven himself far and beyond 6.75 per for 2 years. You said, "laine, if he continues..." LOL like Matthews is making almost double that. You don't think a team out there would have signed Laine to 11 mil plus per if it wasn't for the steep rfa comp? All this system does is hamstring players from getting theirs. It's sad. A player like McDavid should be making over 20 mill per, easy.

Yes, if a team wants to pay a player regardless of who developed him, then they should be able to pay that player accordingly. If you think the system is just fine the way it is, then you live under a rock my friend.

Thanks. Alright everyone. Any 4 th line targets out there.

Nate Thompson. Lewis. Cousins. Shore. Who else is feasible. Forgot Thornton (highly doubtful) and marleau. Grant.

I know I missed someone. Who should we target
- Peter Richards

Only guys with 4 letter last names ending in "ST"
- Tyson Jost or Jesper Fast

Forget bills thread and just enjoy a day in the leafs thread. And read over last night.

Pure gold
- Just5

That Leafs roster was never going to work. They’re finding out the hard way that you need defense to win games. Could’ve learned something from the Flyers of old in that regard.

I think we should probably rule out Ghost for Kapanen. They clearly need a d man who can settle things down, not add to the circus.

lmao! are you kidding? Laine, has proven himself far and beyond 6.75 per for 2 years. You said, "laine, if he continues..." LOL like Matthews is making almost double that. You don't think a team out there would have signed Laine to 11 mil plus per if it wasn't for the steep rfa comp? All this system does is hamstring players from getting theirs. It's sad. A player like McDavid should be making over 20 mill per, easy.

Yes, if a team wants to pay a player regardless of who developed him, then they should be able to pay that player accordingly. If you think the system is just fine the way it is, then you live under a rock my friend.
- Bryz's Buyout Fund

Yea, you didn't understand at all what I wrote.

So what you're advocating is complete free agency for all players. What about EL deals, should they be eliminated also?

I love when a poster with a complete lack of understanding of the salary cap, of player contracts tells me I'm living under a rock.

Your statement on the disparity of players salaries between pro sports leagues says it all.

Only guys with 4 letter last names ending in "ST"
- Tyson Jost or Jesper Fast
- Bayareaflyer

Nice

That Leafs roster was never going to work. They’re finding out the hard way that you need defense to win games. Could’ve learned something from the Flyers of old in that regard.

I think we should probably rule out Ghost for Kapanen. They clearly need a d man who can settle things down, not add to the circus.
- hereticpride

Honestly, the Taveras deal is the one they shouldn't have made. They are too heavy in forward cap expenditures.

I don't see a Toronto trading for a player who is currently rehabbing a knee injury.

That Leafs roster was never going to work. They’re finding out the hard way that you need defense to win games. Could’ve learned something from the Flyers of old in that regard.

I think we should probably rule out Ghost for Kapanen. They clearly need a d man who can settle things down, not add to the circus.
- hereticpride

Do they view it that way. Haha. Also wouldn’t they have trouble with the cap. Would love the trade and an for it. If not now hopefully at the draft.

Honestly, the Taveras deal is the one they shouldn't have made. They are too heavy in forward cap expenditures.

I don't see a Toronto trading for a player who is currently rehabbing a knee injury.
- MJL

Yeah, they really had no business making the Taveras deal. So much money and already having a decent forward group with glaring holes elsewhere.

Only guys with 4 letter last names ending in "ST"
- Tyson Jost or Jesper Fast
- Bayareaflyer

Rust

Does Tavares have a NMC? Be hilarious if he was traded to the Isles

That Leafs roster was never going to work. They’re finding out the hard way that you need defense to win games. Could’ve learned something from the Flyers of old in that regard.

I think we should probably rule out Ghost for Kapanen. They clearly need a d man who can settle things down, not add to the circus.
- hereticpride

All those high picks had them licking their chops. History Toronto. Worked well in Edmonton. Need d then offense as d takes longer.

Does Tavares have a NMC? Be hilarious if he was traded to the Isles
- wcorvette

I don’t think they’d have any interest in taking him back honestly.

Rust
- DaveofYork

Well as of right now I hate him. But would like him on my team.

Yea, you didn't understand at all what I wrote.

So what you're advocating is complete free agency for all players. What about EL deals, should they be eliminated also?

I love when a poster with a complete lack of understanding of the salary cap, of player contracts tells me I'm living under a rock.

Your statement on the disparity of players salaries between pro sports leagues says it all.
- MJL

I understand the cap just fine lol I'm still allowed to voice my displeasure with the system. Especially when your star players are getting paid peanuts in comparison and suggesting taking pay cuts. The nhl still generates Billions of dollars with a capital B. The owners are indeed still billionaires, and the players are still the product. I'm saying the system needs some possible tinkering i.e.) lessening RFA compensation, raising the cap, luxury tax vs. hard cap, and so on.

What I understand is the time value of money, getting paid now vs. down the road. A player like Laine is deserving of an 11 mil per contract right now, just as Matthews was/is.

Hypothetical, but do you think a team would have signed Laine to an 11 mil per multi year deal, if (4) 1st round picks weren't involved?

Thanks. Alright everyone. Any 4 th line targets out there.

Nate Thompson. Lewis. Cousins. Shore. Who else is feasible. Forgot Thornton (highly doubtful) and marleau. Grant.

I know I missed someone. Who should we target
- Peter Richards

no one?

Yeah, they really had no business making the Taveras deal. So much money and already having a decent forward group with glaring holes elsewhere.
- hereticpride

A young gm being taken advantage of. He has made some ok moves. But has one handcuff on already.

I understand the cap just fine lol I'm still allowed to voice my displeasure with the system. Especially when your star players are getting paid peanuts in comparison and suggesting taking pay cuts. The nhl still generates Billions of dollars with a capital B. The owners are indeed still billionaires, and the players are still the product. I'm saying the system needs some possible tinkering i.e.) lessening RFA compensation, raising the cap, luxury tax vs. hard cap, and so on.

What I understand is the time value of money, getting paid now vs. down the road. A player like Laine is deserving of an 11 mil per contract right now, just as Matthews was/is.

Hypothetical, but do you think a team would have signed Laine to an 11 mil per multi year deal, if (4) 1st round picks weren't involved?
- Bryz's Buyout Fund

This post just reinforces that you don't understand it.

Again, I'll ask you a simple question. How do they determine what the salary cap upper limit is for a season?

Yea, you're saying the league needs this and that but you aren't making a case as to why.

Laine and his agent chose to sign a bridge deal.

Star players in the NHL are not being paid peanuts.

lmao! are you kidding? Laine, has proven himself far and beyond 6.75 per for 2 years. You said, "laine, if he continues..." LOL like Matthews is making almost double that. You don't think a team out there would have signed Laine to 11 mil plus per if it wasn't for the steep rfa comp? All this system does is hamstring players from getting theirs. It's sad. A player like McDavid should be making over 20 mill per, easy.

Yes, if a team wants to pay a player regardless of who developed him, then they should be able to pay that player accordingly. If you think the system is just fine the way it is, then you live under a rock my friend.
- Bryz's Buyout Fund

You DO understand the concept of league revenues right? You DO understand that Salaries, when compared across different sports, are relative and based on the amount of revenue a league brings in. You also DO understand that the NHL is a distant 4th when it comes to revenues for the big 4.

Maybe you dont and that is why you make your statements about what McDavid SHOULD be making. Based on what exactly?