Just curious what more Miller would have to do to be worth a 1st and a 3rd in your opinion.
- Codes1087

Miller, 61 GP 62 Pts for a 1st and 3rd
Pageau, 60 GP 40 Pts for a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd

What what Miller would have fetched at this TDL?

I find it funny they (Benning) are talking about Brackett like he’s a player, ‘They’ve been busy but will reach out to him and work on it’. There is no salary cap for front offices, nor are the Canucks having money troubles, the only reason he wouldn’t be back is if they don’t want him back
- WhiteLie

From what I read before, if I remember correctly, it was about where he fit into the organization. He wanted promotions/more responsibility, they don't see him as that type of guy.

I have a gut feeling they will part ways.
- VANTEL

I kind of think so too. I don't have a big problem with it though. His picks aren't the only good players being drafted so maybe with a different head scout Van might draft the same quality but different types of players.

Miller, 61 GP 62 Pts for a 1st and 3rd
Pageau, 60 GP 40 Pts for a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd

What what Miller would have fetched at this TDL?
- NewYorkNuck

I'll be the first one to admit that I liked the player, didnt like the cost (at the time of the trade). Knowing what I know now, I make that trade 10 times over. Him, quinn and Marky have been the canucks best 3 players this year.

Miller, 61 GP 62 Pts for a 1st and 3rd
Pageau, 60 GP 40 Pts for a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd

What what Miller would have fetched at this TDL?
- NewYorkNuck

You are adding a conditional 3rd that almost certainly will not be included and Tampa was desperate to shed salary, and moving a third line guy in the $5m range was a good fix for them. What were Miller’s point totals at the TDL last year? A hint, he finished with 47 points and 2 points in 4 playoff games.

I'll be the first one to admit that I liked the player, didnt like the cost (at the time of the trade). Knowing what I know now, I make that trade 10 times over. Him, quinn and Marky have been the canucks best 3 players this year.
- Codes1087

Meh. I still like the player and am not happy about the price.

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- Jkuzzi

Your best take.

Miller, 61 GP 62 Pts for a 1st and 3rd
Pageau, 60 GP 40 Pts for a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd

What what Miller would have fetched at this TDL?
- NewYorkNuck

NYI did pay a premium for sure.

TB banked a bit on the unknown of how a team like the Canucks would do.

NYI currently sitting 9th so could be pick 22, 53 and 84. Van if they slip in as a wild card, pick could be 18 and 70.

No one I think expected Miller to do so well. Pick 18 and 70 could end up as McCann and Brisebois. Or it could end up like Boeser and Madden. That's up to the team with the picks but clearly one set is worth Miler and the other set is not.

I think GMs have actually got a bit smarter in giving up a better pick instead of more picks.

As a draft guy, I'd prefer to keep a 2nd and 3rd instead of a single late first.

Watching those draft videos, Jim was asking about pick value for later rounds to Brackett a lot.

If he doesn’t re-sign I hope the current guys under him soaked up some of his brilliance. Linden and Benning have said he’s the one who’s been screaming the Canucks draft skill and speed over all else.
- LeftCoaster

Disagree, a guy that has been around 13 years just all of a sudden has become the drafting genius, bull, you just refuse to give Benning any respect or credit for anything that now you are going to proclaim a deadbeat during the Gillis era as the reason for Benning’s success.

I find it funny they (Benning) are talking about Brackett like he’s a player, ‘They’ve been busy but will reach out to him and work on it’. There is no salary cap for front offices, nor are the Canucks having money troubles, the only reason he wouldn’t be back is if they don’t want him back
- WhiteLie

I get the sense Benning is pretty strong minded in the sense if you don’t agree with him you’re an outsider. He clearly doesn’t like Brackett for some reason, probably gets too much credit which makes Benning look like the idiot he is

I get the sense Benning is pretty strong minded in the sense if you don’t agree with him you’re an outsider. He clearly doesn’t like Brackett for some reason, probably gets too much credit which makes Benning look like the idiot he is
- LeftCoaster

Point proven.

Benning is just tired of propping Brackett up, let him go wallow with another team for 13 years and try to claim the credit.

Disagree, a guy that has been around 13 years just all of a sudden has become the drafting genius, bull, you just refuse to give Benning any respect or credit for anything that now you are going to proclaim a deadbeat during the Gillis era as the reason for Benning’s success.
- Makita

that’s not true at all, Benning has a good eye for amateur talent, but he’s clearly made huge mistakes, like most GM’s, which doesn’t make it ok, it just makes him average.

As for scouting, have you ever spoken to anyone who’s worked as an NHL amateur scout? I have, the head of amateur scouting and the GM have clear authority, the scouts do their work throughout the year and present to the management team. Over the past four years is the only time Brackett’s had any clout within the organization.

that’s not true at all, Benning has a good eye for amateur talent, but he’s clearly made huge mistakes, like most GM’s, which doesn’t make it ok, it just makes him average.

As for scouting, have you ever spoken to anyone who’s worked as an NHL amateur scout? I have, the head of amateur scouting and the GM have clear authority, the scouts do their work throughout the year and present to the management team. Over the past four years is the only time Brackett’s had any clout within the organization.
- LeftCoaster

Scouts watch pretty much everyone and say yes and no to certain players narrowing it down, then Jim, Judd, John go watch the yes players and make final decisions. Correct?

NYI did pay a premium for sure.

TB banked a bit on the unknown of how a team like the Canucks would do.

NYI currently sitting 9th so could be pick 22, 53 and 84. Van if they slip in as a wild card, pick could be 18 and 70.

No one I think expected Miller to do so well. Pick 18 and 70 could end up as McCann and Brisebois. Or it could end up like Boeser and Madden. That's up to the team with the picks but clearly one set is worth Miler and the other set is not.

I think GMs have actually got a bit smarter in giving up a better pick instead of more picks.

As a draft guy, I'd prefer to keep a 2nd and 3rd instead of a single late first.

Watching those draft videos, Jim was asking about pick value for later rounds to Brackett a lot.
- manvanfan

Not true. They only way they give up the 3rd is if they win the cup, so the picks would be 31, etc etc. or just the first two...

Not true. They only way they give up the 3rd is if they win the cup, so the picks would be 31, etc etc. or just the first two...
- 1970vintage

Ok so the pick value changes a bit. Glad you could see the perspective a bit differently.

that’s not true at all, Benning has a good eye for amateur talent, but he’s clearly made huge mistakes, like most GM’s, which doesn’t make it ok, it just makes him average.

As for scouting, have you ever spoken to anyone who’s worked as an NHL amateur scout? I have, the head of amateur scouting and the GM have clear authority, the scouts do their work throughout the year and present to the management team. Over the past four years is the only time Brackett’s had any clout within the organization.
- LeftCoaster

He was a scout, supposedly doing his work throughout the year, was promoted by Benning, he has had input for 13 years, where the scouts report their findings to him, where they help to influence Bracketts decisions that are passed on to Benning.

And yes I have spoken several times to two different people that worked as amateur scouts. One is my daughters father in law the other is his brother that was drafted by LA. Both worked for Boston as amateur scouts.

Scouts watch pretty much everyone and say yes and no to certain players narrowing it down, then Jim, Judd, John go watch the yes players and make final decisions. Correct?
- manvanfan

Kind of, scouts are trained to look for certain traits, tendencies, skill-sets, abilities, etc. for different types of players, they earn their money in the third round and beyond. Teams will target a certain position to strengthen their system.

I remember a funny story, a buddy of mine, was scouting for Tampa when the new ownership took over and brought a new head amateur scout once the dust settled. My buddy said player A was his guy and this new head amateur scout, who had no loyalty to my buddy, said “you’re an idiot that guys a third rounder”. “If he goes first round I’ll give you a ten thousand dollar bonus”.

Kid went first round and my buddy got fired

Ok so the pick value changes a bit. Glad you could see the perspective a bit differently.
- manvanfan

He didn’t like the trade, thinks Benning overpaid and will always find a different perspective.

Kind of, scouts are trained to look for certain traits, tendencies, skill-sets, abilities, etc. for different types of players, they earn their money in the third round and beyond. Teams will target a certain position to strengthen their system.

I remember a funny story, a buddy of mine, was scouting for Tampa when the new ownership took over and brought a new head amateur scout once the dust settled. My buddy said player A was his guy and this new head amateur scout, who had no loyalty to my buddy, said “you’re an idiot that guys a third rounder”. “If he goes first round I’ll give you a ten thousand dollar bonus”.

Kid went first round and my buddy got fired
- LeftCoaster

Was his name Eugene Melnyk

He was a scout, supposedly doing his work throughout the year, was promoted by Benning, he has had input for 13 years, where the scouts report their findings to him, where they help to influence Bracketts decisions that are passed on to Benning.

And yes I have spoken several times to two different people that worked as amateur scouts. One is my daughters father in law the other is his brother that was drafted by LA. Both worked for Boston as amateur scouts.
- Makita

I think there’s a personality clash there, for whatever reason.

I think there’s a personality clash there, for whatever reason.
- LeftCoaster

I think Brackett has a job offer somewhere else as Assistant GM

Kind of, scouts are trained to look for certain traits, tendencies, skill-sets, abilities, etc. for different types of players, they earn their money in the third round and beyond. Teams will target a certain position to strengthen their system.

I remember a funny story, a buddy of mine, was scouting for Tampa when the new ownership took over and brought a new head amateur scout once the dust settled. My buddy said player A was his guy and this new head amateur scout, who had no loyalty to my buddy, said “you’re an idiot that guys a third rounder”. “If he goes first round I’ll give you a ten thousand dollar bonus”.

Kid went first round and my buddy got fired
- LeftCoaster

I'd pay to hear the rude things they say to each other in the rooms.

I think Brackett has a job offer somewhere else as Assistant GM
- VANTEL

Hopefully Arizona, I’ve got buddies within the organization and alumni. They’re the ones who asked me to go last minute to the Royals game the other night, something I never do, spent enough time in rinks.

He didn’t like the trade, thinks Benning overpaid and will always find a different perspective.
- Makita

Some people. I just have to figure out why. What am I not seeing that an actual NHL GM is. Clearly a person with more knowledge than me.

Ok so the pick value changes a bit. Glad you could see the perspective a bit differently.
- manvanfan

I get what you’re saying, and value your input and opinion