I think there’s a personality clash there, for whatever reason.
- LeftCoaster

They used to seem buddy buddy. Rumour was some scouts felt like they weren't being heard. Everyone obviously is going to want to have their guys picked, just can't be had. How do you try and please everyone when Benning doesn't have 10 picks every draft.

He didn’t like the trade, thinks Benning overpaid and will always find a different perspective.
- Makita

Benning admitted that he “paid deadline prices” in the summer. I don’t like the idea of paying two or three for one for players you can draft for “free”. I also don’t like the idea of trying to speed things up, I think it costs you way more in the long run.

Yes, Miller has turned out to be a great acquisition, we will see in two or three more years when Hughes and Pettersson are at their peaks if we still feel the same way.

Benning admitted that he “paid deadline prices” in the summer. I don’t like the idea of paying two or three for one for players you can draft for “free”. I also don’t like the idea of trying to speed things up, I think it costs you way more in the long run.

Yes, Miller has turned out to be a great acquisition, we will see in two or three more years when Hughes and Pettersson are at their peaks if we still feel the same way.
- 1970vintage

I think it was time for the organization to take a step forward to avoid the everlasting rebuild. I didn’t know Miller would have the impact he has but someone within the Canucks organization did, and they were right.

Looking back I didn’t feel that way at the time but I do now, I didn’t realize what a good player and fit Miller would be and I don’t think anyone could’ve predicted how good Quinn Hughes would be at this level instantly.

Benning admitted that he “paid deadline prices” in the summer. I don’t like the idea of paying two or three for one for players you can draft for “free”. I also don’t like the idea of trying to speed things up, I think it costs you way more in the long run.

Yes, Miller has turned out to be a great acquisition, we will see in two or three more years when Hughes and Pettersson are at their peaks if we still feel the same way.
- 1970vintage

When you have a few special young players like Petterson, Hughes, Boeser and Horvat, you have to surround them with complementary talents like Miller and Toffoli who are pretty good but on reasonable contracts. You can afford a much deeper team when a guy like Petterson is on his entry level deal. Once the big payday comes for him, Hughes and Boeser, you're going to have to surround them with rookies and guys who will play for soup.

You should recoup some draft picks later when you sell off the guys you can no longer afford. Just like TB did with Miller.

Benning admitted that he “paid deadline prices” in the summer. I don’t like the idea of paying two or three for one for players you can draft for “free”. I also don’t like the idea of trying to speed things up, I think it costs you way more in the long run.

Yes, Miller has turned out to be a great acquisition, we will see in two or three more years when Hughes and Pettersson are at their peaks if we still feel the same way.
- 1970vintage

Benning claimed he paid "fair price"

When is the exact time to allow a team to move forward?

When you have a few special young players like Petterson, Hughes, Boeser and Horvat, you have to surround them with complementary talents like Miller and Toffoli who are pretty good but on reasonable contracts. You can afford a much deeper team when a guy like Petterson is on his entry level deal. Once the big payday comes for him, Hughes and Boeser, you're going to have to surround them with rookies and guys who will play for soup.

You should recoup some draft picks later when you sell off the guys you can no longer afford. Just like TB did with Miller.
- YeOldTimer

I can't bold on my iPad but last paragraph. Very true. If your GM drafts well, you can make trades, recycle players and picks. comes out as a wash in the end. Trade a first now, two years down the road maybe they or someone else who's not need gets traded for two firsts.

Benning admitted that he “paid deadline prices” in the summer. I don’t like the idea of paying two or three for one for players you can draft for “free”. I also don’t like the idea of trying to speed things up, I think it costs you way more in the long run.

Yes, Miller has turned out to be a great acquisition, we will see in two or three more years when Hughes and Pettersson are at their peaks if we still feel the same way.
- 1970vintage

I will always feel the same way, I like the trade, never had an issue. In 3 years Miller will still be an asset, whomever is the GM at that time will have to work out the contracts with the players.poop, I could get run over by a bus next week, I’m not going to stress about 3 years from now.

I was on board last year with moving this years first . I said many times Canucks should and probably will move the first.

I did not know anything about JT Miller and was taken back when it was him that they gave the first that I was willing to trade. I freaked out a little when I heard it was him.

After seeing him perform the first week I realized these guys know a hell of a lot more than I do .That was the moment I put my full trust in Canucks .

I say it over and over now Canucks are a young talented team and have prospects ready to step in. I have no problem with a two year period of trading picks to fix this team.

Benning claimed he paid "fair price"

When is the exact time to allow a team to move forward?
- manvanfan

Always move forward. Benefit from other trans poor management, or your teams good management.

Here’s a “what if”, obviously, we will never know, but here goes. In 2 years, the Canucks find themselves in the enviable position of having a young C/W playing for the Comets who’s proven to be a good shooter, great skater, competes hard. They feel like he’s ready for the NHL and would fit in well into the “Boeser” spot. Now suppose Boeser recovers well, continues to put up 25-30 goals.

Yes yes, it’s a lot of what if’s.

If an under performing Miller in TB gets you a 1st and 3rd, imagine what a 25-30 goal scorer on a decent contract with term left would get you from a team “ready to take the next step”. It won’t always be a Boeser, it could be a Gaudette, a Macewen whoever.

Getting to a place where you have a constant supply of players coming in and providing high value, to me, is the most reasonable way for prolonged success. For the most part, you aren’t going to get Pettersson/Hughes quality guys late in the first, which is why getting those extra lottery tickets is so important.

Maybe I’m wrong, but it doesn’t happen very often

I will always feel the same way, I like the trade, never had an issue. In 3 years Miller will still be an asset, whomever is the GM at that time will have to work out the contracts with the players.poop, I could get run over by a bus next week, I’m not going to stress about 3 years from now.
- Makita

I want to cheer for my team winning every year. I’m not a fan of the three year “window” and then 6, 7 or 8 years of re-tooling. I think it’s possible to be competitive every year. Pittsburgh is doing it one way, but the way they are doing it isn’t sustainable. As soon as Crosby/Malkin start to decline, they are going to fall off a cliff, with nothing coming to help them.

I want to cheer for my team winning every year. I’m not a fan of the three year “window” and then 6, 7 or 8 years of re-tooling. I think it’s possible to be competitive every year. Pittsburgh is doing it one way, but the way they are doing it isn’t sustainable. As soon as Crosby/Malkin start to decline, they are going to fall off a cliff, with nothing coming to help them.
- 1970vintage

That’s not how hockey works mate. We aren’t DET pre salary cap era. Each teams window is fairly short. PITTS is kind of an exception because they have two dominant 1 C’s

NYI did pay a premium for sure.

TB banked a bit on the unknown of how a team like the Canucks would do.

NYI currently sitting 9th so could be pick 22, 53 and 84. Van if they slip in as a wild card, pick could be 18 and 70.

No one I think expected Miller to do so well. Pick 18 and 70 could end up as McCann and Brisebois. Or it could end up like Boeser and Madden. That's up to the team with the picks but clearly one set is worth Miler and the other set is not.

I think GMs have actually got a bit smarter in giving up a better pick instead of more picks.

As a draft guy, I'd prefer to keep a 2nd and 3rd instead of a single late first.

Watching those draft videos, Jim was asking about pick value for later rounds to Brackett a lot.
- manvanfan

It could so turn into Goldobin and some other scrub.

I want to cheer for my team winning every year. I’m not a fan of the three year “window” and then 6, 7 or 8 years of re-tooling. I think it’s possible to be competitive every year. Pittsburgh is doing it one way, but the way they are doing it isn’t sustainable. As soon as Crosby/Malkin start to decline, they are going to fall off a cliff, with nothing coming to help them.
- 1970vintage

I also cheer for my team winning every year, and I want you to know I appreciate your opinion and I am trying to see it from your perspective, which I think we should always try to do.

There will always be down years for every team, that’s how Pittsburgh got Crosby and Malkin, Chicago with Toews, Kane, Keith. Vancouver has just experienced 4 down years and has put together a talented group of players, they are in the thick of it, although hearing about Markstrom is troubling because he was holding them in games.
As the players age and improve they will be kept or traded for further assets, at least now the team has much better prospects to keep or use to improve. I truly believe the team is in a much better place than when the Sedins were aging. Gillis bet the entire farm and left very few assets, today we have a competitive team and a handful of prospects almost ready to step in if needed, starting with Demko tomorrow.

I also cheer for my team winning every year, and I want you to know I appreciate your opinion and I am trying to see it from your perspective, which I think we should always try to do.

There will always be down years for every team, that’s how Pittsburgh got Crosby and Malkin, Chicago with Toews, Kane, Keith. Vancouver has just experienced 4 down years and has put together a talented group of players, they are in the thick of it, although hearing about Markstrom is troubling because he was holding them in games.
As the players age and improve they will be kept or traded for further assets, at least now the team has much better prospects to keep or use to improve. I truly believe the team is in a much better place than when the Sedins were aging. Gillis bet the entire farm and left very few assets, today we have a competitive team and a handful of prospects almost ready to step in if needed, starting with Demko tomorrow.
- Makita

Demko Time baby!

That’s not how hockey works mate. We aren’t DET pre salary cap era. Each teams window is fairly short. PITTS is kind of an exception because they have two dominant 1 C’s
- CanuckDon

Someone has to change the narrative, why not the Canucks?

Someone has to change the narrative, why not the Canucks?
- 1970vintage

Do you think Petey will be a superstar for 10 years? If so, maybe. Love the kid but not quite sold. The chances of us drafting another 1C when we are picking at the end of the first is pretty slim

Stars wars is the most OVERRATED franchise in the history of movies. Absolute garbage
- Jkuzzi

Original Trilogy was epic. Prequels and Sequels not so much lol. Disney has ruined most of it except for the standalone Films Rogue One and Solo which were very good. And the Mandalorian on Disney channel is very well done.

Disney had a chance to do the Thrawn trilogy from the books which would have been epic but they passed...big mistake. The books were unreal good by Timothy Zahn.

Good thing JB overpaid for Miller in the summer. He was supposed to fleece TB and didn't.
- manvanfan

Considering how good Miller has been we pretty much underpaid for him

He leads the team in scoring. Consider what the price would be for a player as good as he is.

Do you think Petey will be a superstar for 10 years? If so, maybe. Love the kid but not quite sold. The chances of us drafting another 1C when we are picking at the end of the first is pretty slim
- CanuckDon

That is exactly why giving up picks instead of acquiring them is the wrong way to do business. Colorado dealing Duche for what turned out to be a lotto pick. Ottawa managing to get that back from San Jose. Neither team thought they would be in that position, but they were...

I have a gut feeling they will part ways.
- VANTEL

It's probably just gas

That is exactly why giving up picks instead of acquiring them is the wrong way to do business. Colorado dealing Duche for what turned out to be a lotto pick. Ottawa managing to get that back from San Jose. Neither team thought they would be in that position, but they were...
- 1970vintage

The odds of getting a miller with a first are very slim. Outside of a top 5 perhaps which was never an option. I agree that benning has wasted a few 2nds in the past though

Original Trilogy was epic. Prequels and Sequels not so much lol. Disney has ruined most of it except for the standalone Films Rogue One and Solo which were very good. And the Mandalorian on Disney channel is very well done.

Disney had a chance to do the Thrawn trilogy from the books which would have been epic but they passed...big mistake. The books were unreal good by Timothy Zahn.
- LordHumungous

Solo was not even close to good

Thought that was a good TDL for the Canucks, added a veteran backup, didn't get rid of any picks/prospects.
Canucks have added 2 top 6 players this season and revamped the defense, I am good with that.
Now if they could revamp the systems/coach, all will be good in Canuckland.
Even if Canucks drop out of the race, they will be fine moving forward, especially if Toffoli resigns....and of course some dead weight disappears.

Solo was not even close to good

- SMBDragon

It was good just not great like Rogue One was. Solo was still better than any or all of the Disney sequels which isn't really saying much lol

Thought that was a good TDL for the Canucks, added a veteran backup, didn't get rid of any picks/prospects.
Canucks have added 2 top 6 players this season and revamped the defense, I am good with that.
Now if they could revamp the systems/coach, all will be good in Canuckland.
Even if Canucks drop out of the race, they will be fine moving forward, especially if Toffoli resigns....and of course some dead weight disappears.
- Reubenkincade