I don't think it makes sense to evaluate the worth of John Tavares based on that Carolina game.
- Zezel

I don't.

I see him as a message being sent.

I see him as a asset that could get a major return.

I see him, possibly, being a reason Matthews doesn't re-sign in a few years.

I see him being a bit over rated as a leader and what he can and can't do for a TEAM...not any single night or score sheet stats.

I posted a line up a few pages back...every line needs a Hyman type. He is the heart kinda...as he goes the line goes.

Hard to be the guy not to hustle when ur playing with Hyman. He brings it every night.
- underhill14

They were a good defensive line too which they have none of now. Tavares has looked totally dejected since the switch

carolina has their 1st and they should want it back, if getting it means taking gards, take gards. look at the defense, it's horrible.
- ghetto puck

Taking Gardiner back to get what is probably a mid-round first pick is profoundly inadvisable

Dubas literally showed a highlight reel of Marner to Tavares at their big signing meeting to convince him the Leafs were the right choice.

I don't.

I see him as a message being sent.

I see him as a asset that could get a major return.

I see him, possibly, being a reason Matthews doesn't re-sign in a few years.

I see him being a bit over rated as a leader and what he can and can't do for a TEAM...not any single night or score sheet stats.
- underhill14

I see it as a blessing you're not Leafs management.

carolina has their 1st and they should want it back, if getting it means taking gards, take gards. look at the defense, it's horrible.
- ghetto puck

3 years of Gards for your 1st back? You’re a sucker for punishment

When 'better than Ceci' is the recommendation to get a player signed for three years I'll pass.
- Zezel

you missed the part where you are only taking gards back to get your 1st round pick back from carolina.

Overly Literal Translation by an asshat:

1st sentence: Trade him because he SEEMS boring.
2nd sentence: Doesn't show heart meanwhile Matthews did what? Nothing.
3rd sentence: Because you've "heard things".
4th sentence: Because he's boring in interviews.

Good poop.
- JohnFergusonJr

Fixed.


Says the guys that spews so much opinionated sh1t on here with absolutely no real facts or insider information...and is 99% wrong.



I don't play with dumb.

I don't.

I see him as a message being sent.

I see him as a asset that could get a major return.

I see him, possibly, being a reason Matthews doesn't re-sign in a few years.

I see him being a bit over rated as a leader and what he can and can't do for a TEAM...not any single night or score sheet stats.
- underhill14

your thoughts on switching him to top line left wing beside matthews?

Dubas literally showed a highlight reel of Marner to Tavares at their big signing meeting to convince him the Leafs were the right choice.
- aminnes

Tavares is a big boy and a pro hockey player, clearly he knows he's not guaranteed to play with one guy for 7 years no matter what.

I see it as a blessing you're not Leafs management.
- Zezel

You wouldn't be wrong. Way too angry and impatient.

you missed the part where you are only taking gards back to get your 1st round pick back from carolina.
- ghetto puck

How could I miss that? It's (frank)ing retarded.

Taking Gardiner back to get what is probably a mid-round first pick is profoundly inadvisable
- Zezel

the way things are going it will end up the 11th pick at the draft at worst and they will be lucky if they drop into the top 10 to keep the pick at best.

Tavares is a big boy and a pro hockey player, clearly he knows he's not guaranteed to play with one guy for 7 years no matter what.
- Zezel

I could see that at first, but now it’s pretty clear it would be good for the team.

You wouldn't be wrong. Way too angry and impatient.
- underhill14

Touche lol

3 years of Gards for your 1st back? You’re a sucker for punishment
- Woderwick

with the idea of trading gardiner later when the d has been improved.

How could I miss that? It's (frank)ing retarded.
- Zezel

i think you might be.

your thoughts on switching him to top line left wing beside matthews?
- ghetto puck

Not sure we have enough C's to go around and make that happen, so kinda a moot point.

...BUT, don't mind when they get the odd shift together after the PK, it's worked pretty well a few times.

the trade i proposed was

barrie dermott marincin for gardiner, mckeown 1st(tor)

fyi

Not sure we have enough C's to go around and make that happen, so kinda a moot point.

...BUT, don't mind when they get the odd shift together after the PK, it's worked pretty good a few times.
- underhill14

matthews
tavares
nylander
spezza
kerfoot
malgin
gauthier
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petan
brooks
kossila
gaudet

lots o centres.

Honestly the derp level in here has gone into another dimension. I know the EBUG thing was wacky but some of you need to do some box breathing or tai chi or something or maybe just be wrapped in a warm blanket by a firefighter until you get a grip. Lates.

Honestly the derp level in here has gone into another dimension. I know the EBUG thing was wacky but some of you need to do some box breathing or tai chi or something or maybe just be wrapped in a warm blanket by a firefighter until you get a grip. Lates.
- Zezel

what exactly do you provide here? you drop in to call people stupid among other insults while acting as if you are superior to everyone, while mostly posting...

no that's a bad idea. no this, no that and nothing you say is any good. stupid comment, dumb idea, are you for real? hey guys, look at this....laughy face. just do stuff i think off. now sign pietrangelo for 11 million and trade for subban, bring in doughty, leafs are making the playoffs and are going to win the stanley cup.

-zezel-

ok, cool.

what exactly do you provide here? you drop in to call people stupid among other insults while acting as if you are superior to everyone, while mostly posting...

no that's a bad idea. no this, no that and nothing you say is any good. stupid comment, dumb idea, are you for real? hey guys, look at this....laughy face. just do stuff i think off. now sign pietrangelo for 11 million and trade for subban, bring in doughty, leafs are making the playoffs and are going to win the stanley cup.

-zezel-

ok, cool.
- ghetto puck

Zezel > your dumb ass. Drink bleach, (frank)bag.

Zezel > your dumb ass. Drink bleach, (frank)bag.
- Steven_Seagull

hi zezel

Honestly the derp level in here has gone into another dimension. I know the EBUG thing was wacky but some of you need to do some box breathing or tai chi or something or maybe just be wrapped in a warm blanket by a firefighter until you get a grip. Lates.
- Zezel

Par for the course lately unfortunately... haven't hit the spring thaw when mommy's basement floods and they are forced away from the keyboard and outside.