We gave up a 40+ point guy? where was that? Kahun never scored more than 37.
- j.boyd919

On pace for 44+ points this year and the dude is only 24. 37 points his rookie season. He is likely going to be a consistent 40+ point player going forward.

If they were open to moving Kahun, they should had called the Panthers and tried to get Trocheck. Kahun/Simon is a better offer than Haula/Wallmark, especially since Haula is a UFA. His cap could had worked by moving Hornqvist or Bjugstad in the off-season. That’s a player who would fit the system
- drummer829

Oh, right. Yes, I freely admit to be a spoiled fan, but I just hate to see spending assets on scraps while the competition is getting legit players. At least we have the Zucker trade, but today was a big step backward, IMO. Not only do I think we got worse, but the competition got better.
- Hockey66

A third or possible 2nd for Marleau I think was good. I don't think he's cooked at all and I think he ends up with Sid in the end. It's got the Guerin feel. Plus IF we do go deep we'll have Jake coming in. Have some optimism haha.

If they were open to moving Kahun, they should had called the Panthers and tried to get Trocheck. Kahun/Simon is a better offer than Haula/Wallmark, especially since Haula is a UFA. His cap could had worked by moving Hornqvist or Bjugstad in the off-season. That’s a player who would fit the system
- drummer829

Again there's more than just the Penguins making trades. Everyone always wants to just take all the best trades made of the day and make hypothetical situations for us. The Kahun trade is whatever, and I like both the Zucker and Marleau trades.

What do you think of my idea above?
Zuck-Sid-Mars
Shear-Geno-Rust
Simon-McCann-Horny
Geno likes having a guy that gets open to just score instead of cycling like Sid. This could be our best setup.
- 668710

I like your logic, but I think it ends up being:

Zucker - Crosby - Sheary
Marleau - Malkin - Rust

Any way you slice it, it is two guys in the top 6 who are not / no longer top 6 players replacing a guy who wasn't top 6, either. But we traded a top 6 guy and a 3rd to get to this point.

After the Caps finally beat us in 18, I'll never forget Niskanen telling the story of Trotz pre-series comments. Trotz basically said......(paraphrasing) "The reason you're always losing them is because you're letting little guys like Rust and Sheary beat you". They knocked Sheary around like a child. I remember thinking, Sheary could play the entire 60 minutes (if humanly possible) and he's not scoring a single goal against this team. He never got within 15 feet of the net.

Anyway.... I'll add this... I kind of got the feeling the Pens weren't thrilled with Kahun's personality. I don't remember his exact comments, but he kind of intimated "character" might have been involved in the decision.
- madmike71

Hahah I mentioned that in the last blog but thought it was Carlsson that said it and yeah like I said earlier the two teams that have 6 cups in last 11 years gave up on him in one season...who knows...

Here's what I'd start with until people are healthy...

Zucker-Sid-Simon
Marleau-Geno-Rust
Sheary-McCann-Hornqvist
Rodrigues-Blueger-Tanev

https://www.theplayerstri...lank-nhl-all-star-edition

Geno from 2016 all star game

I agree. I think they definitely could have afforded Kahun without an issue. I think honestly it was a last minute move by JR (I think he was hoping to land a 3rd line center and he looped back for Rodrigues and Sheary). He may have been pushing for Big Joe or others, but when the price was too high or when he found out that his top center options were staying put. I think that is when he made this move.

Rodrigues his previous seasons was quite successful for Buffalo he shows great promise. In his last 14 games played he has 5 goals and 1 assist. I know he had been scratched a lot this season, but when he was able to play consistent minutes it seemed he did well. He was one of their better penalty killers last season and defensively responsible forwards. I think he lost his confidence a bit, and this move I feel should be a good fit.
- 123Kid

Sounds like another Blueger type, but we have Blueger and Bjugstad and McCann so it feels like he'd get scratched if we ever got healthy. I guess it's a bandaid move, but if so I'd have preferred to get him for a pick. They seem to feel different about the Kahun/Sheary part though so hopefully Sheary's game has evolved.

Again there's more than just the Penguins making trades. Everyone always wants to just take all the best trades made of the day and make hypothetical situations for us. The Kahun trade is whatever, and I like both the Zucker and Marleau trades.
- 668710

But we easily could have had Ennis (33 pts) for a 4th instead of Marleau (20 pts) for a 3rd. I know there's more to it than just points, but still. Or just spend a 4th for Ennis, spend a 3rd on Marleau, and keep Kahun.

Ennis + Kahun > Sheary + Rodrigues + 4th

We also could have had Gustafsson for a 2nd, who would add some offense from the backline (former 60 point player, 26 points this year which is just two less than Sheary and Rodrigues combined), and had JJ eating nachos. Those are easy trades if you want to tinker.

Here's what I'd start with until people are healthy...

Zucker-Sid-Simon
Marleau-Geno-Rust
Sheary-McCann-Hornqvist
Rodrigues-Blueger-Tanev
- Rinosaur

I like it. The fact of the matter is we needed real NHL depth and this allows us to roll 4 lines. We haven't been able to do that. Add in a healthy Dumo and Marino and you have a really really good team.

If they were open to moving Kahun, they should had called the Panthers and tried to get Trocheck. Kahun/Simon is a better offer than Haula/Wallmark, especially since Haula is a UFA. His cap could had worked by moving Hornqvist or Bjugstad in the off-season. That’s a player who would fit the system
- drummer829

Kingerski actually said they were trying to trade for Trocheck and Kahun was part of the package. And he said it before either were traded. So maybe they tried. Kingerski isn't the best, but he was right about Kahun being on the block.

Here's what I'd start with until people are healthy...

Zucker-Sid-Simon
Marleau-Geno-Rust
Sheary-McCann-Hornqvist
Rodrigues-Blueger-Tanev
- Rinosaur

Posted same line up earlier. All lines can produce and play hard. That third line could be feisty. McCann and sheary can create on their own

But we easily could have had Ennis (33 pts) for a 4th instead of Marleau (20 pts) for a 3rd. I know there's more to it than just points, but still. Or just spend a 4th for Ennis, spend a 3rd on Marleau, and keep Kahun.

Ennis + Kahun > Sheary + Rodrigues + 4th

We also could have had Gustafsson for a 2nd, who would add some offense from the backline (former 60 point player, 26 points this year which is just two less than Sheary and Rodrigues combined), and had JJ eating nachos. Those are easy trades if you want to tinker.
- Hockey66

Ennis has 10 power play points though, which he wasn't getting here. Their 5v5 stats are very similar.

Also, Gustafsson sucks. Like legitimately sucks.

I like it. The fact of the matter is we needed real NHL depth and this allows us to roll 4 lines. We haven't been able to do that. Add in a healthy Dumo and Marino and you have a really really good team.
- burgh4life87

You can call it rolling 4 lines, but two of the top 6 are not legit top 6 and one of the 4th line is a questionable NHL player. Just a lot of scraps. Just because they are on the Pens now doesn't make them good or legit. Look at our competition if you want to see what rolling 4 legit lines looks like.

Ennis has 10 power play points though, which he wasn't getting here. Their 5v5 stats are very similar.

Also, Gustafsson sucks. Like legitimately sucks.
- burgh4life87

He still has more 5v5 points than Marleau. As for Gustafsson, if he legitimately sucks, at least he scores points while legitimately sucking, unlike JJ.

I like your logic, but I think it ends up being:

Zucker - Crosby - Sheary
Marleau - Malkin - Rust

Any way you slice it, it is two guys in the top 6 who are not / no longer top 6 players replacing a guy who wasn't top 6, either. But we traded a top 6 guy and a 3rd to get to this point.
- Hockey66

Yea the Kahun Sheary/Rod trade was odd but I'm over it. And I put Sheary with Geno because Geno doesn't cycle down low as much as Sid and that could benefit Sheary. I don't think Marleau is gonna be any passenger here, he hasn't won and he's still in good shape and has good enough wheels.

Kingerski actually said they were trying to trade for Trocheck and Kahun was part of the package. And he said it before either were traded. So maybe they tried. Kingerski isn't the best, but he was right about Kahun being on the block.
- Tojo.

This makes me sad. I wonder what the hold-up was. Whatever it was, just overpay for a legit player, JR, and quit (frank)ing around with these worthless scraps.

So what happens when all are healthy? What are the roster/cap implications?

On pace for 44+ points this year and the dude is only 24. 37 points his rookie season. He is likely going to be a consistent 40+ point player going forward.
- Hockey66

But he's not a 40+ point guy yet. Could be, but he ain't yet.

Yea the Kahun Sheary/Rod trade was odd but I'm over it. And I put Sheary with Geno because Geno doesn't cycle down low as much as Sid and that could benefit Sheary. I don't think Marleau is gonna be any passenger here, he hasn't won and he's still in good shape and has good enough wheels.
- 668710

Marleau couldn't produce in his last season on the best offense in the league and has just 20 points this year. Whether he wants to be or not, he's a passenger at this stage of his career.

Here's what I'd start with until people are healthy...

Zucker-Sid-Simon
Marleau-Geno-Rust
Sheary-McCann-Hornqvist
Rodrigues-Blueger-Tanev
- Rinosaur

I'd go

Zucker-Sid-Sheary
Marleau-Geno-Rust
Simon-McCann-Horny
Rodrigues-Blueger-Tanev

We know what we have in Sid and Simon, I'd rather see if Sid and Sheary can put up some points and slide Simon down the lineup, maybe try to turn Simon into the "setup man" for McCann.

I'd go

Zucker-Sid-Sheary
Marleau-Geno-Rust
Simon-McCann-Horny
Rodrigues-Blueger-Tanev

We know what we have in Sid and Simon, I'd rather see if Sid and Sheary can put up some points and slide Simon down the lineup, maybe try to turn Simon into the "setup man" for McCann.
- j.boyd919

Now that you got me thinking, I'd take what you did and swap Sheary and Marleau since he can play RW effectively.

But he's not a 40+ point guy yet. Could be, but he ain't yet.
- j.boyd919

Ok, whatever. He's a legit 37 point player. If you want to bet on Kahun not becoming a consistent 40+ point player, you'll get some good odds.

I'd go

Zucker-Sid-Sheary
Marleau-Geno-Rust
Simon-McCann-Horny
Rodrigues-Blueger-Tanev

We know what we have in Sid and Simon, I'd rather see if Sid and Sheary can put up some points and slide Simon down the lineup, maybe try to turn Simon into the "setup man" for McCann.
- j.boyd919

That's what I was thinking with Simon-McCann-Horny. And I think Sheary and Marleau are interchangeable as well.