19 points this season and 2 goals in his last 34 playoff games says he's a scrap. 34 points the year before and 30 points the year before that. That's Tanev production while being the opposite of the rest of Tanev's game (besides pointless speed in the case of Sheary).
- Hockey66

I do think Kahun is better but only had one more goal and 7 more assists playing with Machino and Rust when he was clipping at elite levels. Kahun has zero playoff points. I don't think it's major drop off...and maybe Rod helps. We'll see.

I actually don't disagree with you on any of this, I'm not really thrilled with the trades, but the Pens could have done worse. I'm actually not thrilled that they gave up Kahun and I don't really understand that trade either. I didn't mind the Marleau trade given the cost was whatever. I would have preferred Namestnikov or Ennis for a 4th over the Kahun for Sheary/Rodrigues trade, but I don't think GMJR did terrible. Could have done better, could have done worse.
- j.boyd919

I think we are worse than when the day started with fewer assets. Sure, he could have done worse, but that can be said for any GM any time. JR could have done better by not doing anything, IMO.

I think Marleau was worth about a 5th, a 4th at most. Same for Sheary.

When you consider what the competition did and what we didn't do, I think JR did terrible.

I hope thats a joke...
- 668710

You got me. The thing is that is the positions the players are most comfortable. We are strong on the right side and down the middle. We are weaker on the left side. Of course, Guentzel being out has a lot to do with that. All in all not a bad forward group.

Is it good enough to win in the playoffs? All I know is I am not putting any money on them.

I think we are worse than when the day started with fewer assets. Sure, he could have done worse, but that can be said for any GM any time. JR could have done better by not doing anything, IMO.

I think Marleau was worth about a 5th, a 4th at most. Same for Sheary.

When you consider what the competition did and what we didn't do, I think JR did terrible.
- Hockey66

This bolded, I disagrre with. We are definitely a better team today than we were at the end of beginning of the day.

You got me. The thing is that is the positions the players are most comfortable. We are strong on the right side and down the middle. We are weaker on the left side. Of course, Guentzel being out has a lot to do with that. All in all not a bad forward group.

Is it good enough to win in the playoffs? All I know is I am not putting any money on them.
- Thunderbolt

I think they win the first round and the 2nd round can go either way. The East is super tough this year. But anything can happen, if we're on we can do some damage. This still all depends on Dumo and Marino, doesn't matter what forwards we added or subtracted it's all about Dumo and Marino bottom line. Oh and one of the goalies to play good haha.

This bolded, I disagrre with. We are definitely a better team today than we were at the end of beginning of the day.
- j.boyd919

Yea honestly we didn't even have a fourth line. We've been rolling 3 lines for weeks and that takes a toll.

Edit: Also the defense, nuff said..

Yah, I think the pens are definitely better now as opposed to prior to the deadline. They added 3 legit NHL players with speed and the type of underlying support numbers that suggest quality overall play. We only gave up one known asset who was marginally better (if at all) than one of the main pieces in the return. This team is deep and can actually roll four lines now. Looking forward to getting back our two most important pieces as well.

Yah, I think the pens are definitely better now as opposed to prior to the deadline. They added 3 legit NHL players with speed and the type of underlying support numbers that suggest quality overall play. We only gave up one known asset who was marginally better (if at all) than one of the main pieces in the return. This team is deep and can actually roll four lines now. Looking forward to getting back our two most important pieces as well.
- burgh4life87

Yup!

If any homers want to take even odds on the Pens making it past the first round, I'm down for that action.
- Hockey66

I’ll take the pens advancing past round one, $1k?

This bolded, I disagrre with. We are definitely a better team today than we were at the end of beginning of the day.
- j.boyd919

I wouldn't say definitely one way or the other. We need top 6 forwards and we traded away one of our only 3 and didn't bring in any. I value superior talent over depth. We have about 20 bottom six forwards now and Crosby and Malkin still don't have two legit wingers each.

Alright, I’ll throw in my two cents. Kahun was a sad loss but none of us knows what is really going on behind the curtain. Maybe that shot he took damaged something that needs a lot of time to heal or something. Maybe he is just a Richard. Maybe he even asked for a trade🤷🏻‍♂️ Look I don’t love Sherry and I would be lying if I said I have even heard of the other guy. Patrick may be some what over the hill but still better that anyone we had on the fourth line yesterday. I think we should all just agree that thank god we didn’t get another JJ or a Gudbranson. Not that useful is better than completely useless.

I’ll take the pens advancing past round one, $1k?
- kfinl170

Well, that's too rich for my blood, I'm talking about a friendly wager.

Not that I'm not confident in the bet, I just don't have an extra grand laying around to put on the line.

If any homers want to take even odds on the Pens making it past the first round, I'm down for that action.
- Hockey66

Ya I’ll take that bet! $500? Do you have a safe holding group or site? Let’s send it in!

Alright, I’ll throw in my two cents. Kahun was a sad loss but none of us knows what is really going on behind the curtain. Maybe that shot he took damaged something that needs a lot of time to heal or something. Maybe he is just a Richard. Maybe he even asked for a trade🤷🏻‍♂️ Look I don’t love Sherry and I would be lying if I said I have even heard of the other guy. Patrick may be some what over the hill but still better that anyone we had on the fourth line yesterday. I think we should all just agree that thank god we didn’t get another JJ or a Gudbranson. Not that useful is better than completely useless.
- Chuck-Norris

The thing is, Kahun likely had trade value.

But in typical JR fashion, he bids against himself for guys who probably weren't pursued by anyone else, or maybe a team or two were kicking the tires at best.

Yeah, he didn't poop the bed, but is that the new bar?

Ya I’ll take that bet! $500? Do you have a safe holding group or site? Let’s send it in!
- pens4life-66

You guys are making me feel like a schmuck with these amounts!

The thing is, Kahun likely had trade value.

But in typical JR fashion, he bids against himself for guys who probably weren't pursued by anyone else, or maybe a team or two were kicking the tires at best.

Yeah, he didn't poop the bed, but is that the new bar?
- Hockey66

that's always been the bar with GMJR because of the way he wheels and deals.

Well, that's too rich for my blood, I'm talking about a friendly wager.

Not that I'm not confident in the bet, I just don't have an extra grand laying around to put on the line.
- Hockey66

Oh haha poop didn’t see this before I posted my comment. I already have $500 on the pens making the 2nd round. Said it at the start of the year a couple times but I put $500 on Kessel to be below 60.5 points with 3/1 odds on the season! Pretty confident I’ll win that $1500

Oh haha poop didn’t see this before I posted my comment. I already have $500 on the pens making the 2nd round. Said it at the start of the year a couple times but I put $500 on Kessel to be below 60.5 points with 3/1 odds on the season! Pretty confident I’ll win that $1500
- pens4life-66

Damn I hope you do man that's awesome!

I wouldn't say definitely one way or the other. We need top 6 forwards and we traded away one of our only 3 and didn't bring in any. I value superior talent over depth. We have about 20 bottom six forwards now and Crosby and Malkin still don't have two legit wingers each.
- Hockey66

I don't think Kahun was any bonafide top 6 wing. You're acting like we traded Jake for Sheary and Rod haha. We were never going to get another Jake, would it be awesome well (frank) yea haha. But I think Ruth did a good job getting Zucker for a fill in for now/down the road top 6 winger.

Here's what I'd start with until people are healthy...

Zucker-Sid-Simon
Marleau-Geno-Rust
Sheary-McCann-Hornqvist
Rodrigues-Blueger-Tanev
- Rinosaur

I do think they could try Sheary in place of Simon as well. As for the other lines, I’d agree with you!

You guys are making me feel like a schmuck with these amounts!
- Hockey66

Are you a secret alt of James Tanner?

There was a lot more going on in that series than just that. Malkin was banged up and only had 2 5v5 points in that playoff run. The Pens were relying on Brassard to actually carry a line and boy did that bite us in the ass. I think our forecheck is something that can absolutely wreak havoc against the caps the season. Adding some speedy players who can play that game is important. The caps are built to be physical, there were no additions we could make that would even that up. Play to your strengths.
- burgh4life87

Well said

I don't think Kahun was any bonafide top 6 wing. You're acting like we traded Jake for Sheary and Rod haha. We were never going to get another Jake, would it be awesome well (frank) yea haha. But I think Ruth did a good job getting Zucker for a fill in for now/down the road top 6 winger.
- 668710

I think a 44+ point pace is top 6. I agree JR did a good job getting Zucker. He just needed to do that one more time, either for a winger, center, or defenseman.

I think they win the first round and the 2nd round can go either way. The East is super tough this year. But anything can happen, if we're on we can do some damage. This still all depends on Dumo and Marino, doesn't matter what forwards we added or subtracted it's all about Dumo and Marino bottom line. Oh and one of the goalies to play good haha.
- 668710

Penguin will go as far as the goalchie takes you. If your goalchie out duels the other guy's, you win. Everything else is even steven. Between Tampa, Boston, Caps and Penguin... It'll be the goalchie deciding it. I'd say Flyers too, but they may not have the guidance to do it if Hart isn't playing like an all-star.

I think a 44+ point pace is top 6. I agree JR did a good job getting Zucker. He just needed to do that one more time, either for a winger, center, or defenseman.
- Hockey66

Crosby and Malkin have never had 2 "top 6 wingers each" ever....

Imo the only top 6 wingers Sid has ever had were Hossa and Guentzel.... Dupuis and Kunitz were never top 6 "talents" imo..... Crosby made them look like they were top 6.

To paraphrase Miracle.... "You don't need the best players... you need the right players".... GMJR got the right players even if they aren't all sexy games