the cat is out of the bag, Barrie isn't great defensively.

UFA

Looking to get paid
- Lucas.Neilson

For what it's worth, I told you guys this 10 months ago.

the cat is out of the bag, Barrie isn't great defensively.

UFA

Looking to get paid
- Lucas.Neilson

Was going to "get 8" until he met Toronto. Have to love it.

the cat is out of the bag, Barrie isn't great defensively.

UFA

Looking to get paid
- Lucas.Neilson

Yeah.... playing in Toronto might actually have hurt the dollar figure he will command this summer tho

Yeah.... playing in Toronto might actually have hurt the dollar figure he will command this summer tho
- Dozzer

Jake Gardiner was sure worked over playing here.

Wait until the end of 2021 and see what Andersen is worth on the open market. We'll take him down, too.

See... You get it..

Same reason why Dubas swore.. To make it seem like he's of legal age and can buy his own beer..... thank you very much
- PatC80

Dubas "definitely" seem more authoritative after he swore.... like he almost believed what he was saying...

almost.

Jake Gardiner was sure worked over playing here.

Wait until the end of 2021 and see what Andersen is worth on the open market. We'll take him down, too.
- Monkeypunk

I think it’s a safe bet that you’re right

Dubas "definitely" seem more authoritative after he swore.... like he almost believed what he was saying...

almost.



- BorjeFan4Ever

Dubas is "adulting" so hard right now.

For what it's worth, I told you guys this 10 months ago.
- Scabeh

Calm down Roger.

Calm down Roger.
- RickJames77

He thinks people actually pay attention to him

For what it's worth, I told you guys this 10 months ago.
- Scabeh

really wasn't a surprise (not discounting what you said)... when a guy is known as a rover....

that's what I find hilarious about the entire aquision/trade and what's happened to this point with Barrie...

i) acquire a guy who's not known as a defensive stalwart to play in your top 4
ii) this top 4 guy can't kill penalties, has trouble at 5v5, and really hasn't meshed with anyone he's been paired with
iii) give the PP time to the new guy - at the expense of your only legitimate top2 defenseman
iv) fire the old coach and subsequently get 3-5 really inspired games out of the guy

none of this should have been a surprise to anyone.... but it seems to have come as a surprise to the Leafs management

what did the management think the reaction to Barrie would be when he started playing like a defensively-inept Jake Gardiner?

don't make "no" sense...

He thinks people actually pay attention to him
- Dozzer

well... we do have to read what he posts so we can ignore it - don't we?

well... we do have to read what he posts so we can ignore it - don't we?
- BorjeFan4Ever

Is that how it works?

I see Jean Luc and just keep scrolling

really wasn't a surprise (not discounting what you said)... when a guy is known as a rover....

that's what I find hilarious about the entire aquision/trade and what's happened to this point with Barrie...

i) acquire a guy who's not known as a defensive stalwart to play in your top 4
ii) this top 4 guy can't kill penalties, has trouble at 5v5, and really hasn't meshed with anyone he's been paired with
iii) give the PP time to the new guy - at the expense of your only legitimate top2 defenseman
iv) fire the old coach and subsequently get 3-5 really inspired games out of the guy

none of this should have been a surprise to anyone.... but it seems to have come as a surprise to the Leafs management

what did the management think the reaction to Barrie would be when he started playing like a defensively-inept Jake Gardiner?

don't make "no" sense...
- BorjeFan4Ever

Interesting that the general consensus on dermott was that he hasn't progressed enough and has had an awful year. Yet, Barrie as big of a disaster as he's been... Has probably been at his best when paired with dermott.

Figure that one out.

really wasn't a surprise (not discounting what you said)... when a guy is known as a rover....

that's what I find hilarious about the entire aquision/trade and what's happened to this point with Barrie...

i) acquire a guy who's not known as a defensive stalwart to play in your top 4
ii) this top 4 guy can't kill penalties, has trouble at 5v5, and really hasn't meshed with anyone he's been paired with
iii) give the PP time to the new guy - at the expense of your only legitimate top2 defenseman
iv) fire the old coach and subsequently get 3-5 really inspired games out of the guy

none of this should have been a surprise to anyone.... but it seems to have come as a surprise to the Leafs management

what did the management think the reaction to Barrie would be when he started playing like a defensively-inept Jake Gardiner?

don't make "no" sense...
- BorjeFan4Ever

Being fair about it:

Point (iii): Rielly was not having any success on the Power Play. Changing it out to Barrie changed the look and dynamic because Barrie will shoot. *I* may not like when he shoots nor do *I* think he has a good shot, per se, but it does change the danger areas and the consideration when defending the Power Play. For the record, I'm all for NOT Barrie on the PP now.

Point (iv): I think Barrie has been poor along with the rest of the team in the past 12 - 15 games. I think he's probably the victim of playing in roles he shouldn't due to the injuries, and also trying to do more than he should because things aren't working out well for the team. Both of those things have a negative impact on everyone. In the 23 games from Babcock's departure to the time Rielly was hurt, Barrie was providing fantastic play driving numbers (his Defense still sucked, and blah, blah - because we know what he IS) with an xGF% of 55.31, but since then he has been poor with an xGF% of 49.47.

The point there is that Barrie was fine for what we wanted him for as long as we had other players to play the harder minutes. As soon as Barrie had to do that, that's not his role - and not why we acquired him.

This year is going nowhere ... it's over ... Shannaplan II ... Mark Hunter!

Interesting that the general consensus on dermott was that he hasn't progressed enough and has had an awful year. Yet, Barrie as big of a disaster as he's been... Has probably been at his best when paired with dermott.

Figure that one out.
- joel878

can't say that I've paid that close attention ... just seems obvious to me that none of Rielly, Muzzin or Sandin have looked particularly "comfortable" playing with Barrie, don't really think Dermott did either...

the guy is a "river boat gambler".. and usually his choices about when to go and not have not been very good.... I don't really see him "driving play".

When two guys like Rielly and Muzzin - who are themselves quite different can't really play with the guy... and they are clearly in your top4... doesn't really leave a lot of room for Barrie.

Square Peg - Round Hole.

Dubas can't seriously be thinking about wanting to re-sign the guy...

experiment, you took your shot, it failed. move on

Is that how it works?

I see Jean Luc and just keep scrolling
- Dozzer

"engage"

new blog everyone

can't say that I've paid that close attention ... just seems obvious to me that none of Rielly, Muzzin or Sandin have looked particularly "comfortable" playing with Barrie, don't really think Dermott did either...

the guy is a "river boat gambler".. and usually his choices about when to go and not have not been very good.... I don't really see him "driving play".

When two guys like Rielly and Muzzin - who are themselves quite different can't really play with the guy... and they are clearly in your top4... doesn't really leave a lot of room for Barrie.

Square Peg - Round Hole.

Dubas can't seriously be thinking about wanting to re-sign the guy...

experiment, you took your shot, it failed. move on
- BorjeFan4Ever

I don't think he's thinking of signing him. (1) I don't think we fit Barrie at more than $2.75m under the cap comfortably, and (2) You're right. We don't need him. Those who advocated against him at the start of the year appear to be right. We need more brains and sense on the backend and less riverboat gambler. We actually need some defense; some puck retrieval; some muscle; someone who can box out the front of the net. Failing any of that, just some f'n defensive awareness would be nice.

For what it's worth, I told you guys this 10 months ago.
- Scabeh

I got punched in the jellybeans several times in the last week for suggesting he wouldn’t fetch more than a third.

It was classic fanism: trade the useless bum because he sucks - other teams would be willing to give up a first!

I got punched in the jellybeans several times in the last week for suggesting he wouldn’t fetch more than a third.

It was classic fanism: trade the useless bum because he sucks - other teams would be willing to give up a first!
- Atomic Wedgie

I didn't argue with you, but I would have thought he'd be worth a 1st to the right team. His $2.75m cap hit and his ability to QB a top power play are appealing traits. That said, most teams who are in the hunt and adding right now didn't get there without a Power Play QB already, so they probably didn't need to add a guy like Barrie as anything more than insurance.

I didn't argue with you, but I would have thought he'd be worth a 1st to the right team. His $2.75m cap hit and his ability to QB a top power play are appealing traits. That said, most teams who are in the hunt and adding right now didn't get there without a Power Play QB already, so they probably didn't need to add a guy like Barrie as anything more than insurance.
- Monkeypunk

Gustaffson deal says it all

Interesting that the general consensus on dermott was that he hasn't progressed enough and has had an awful year. Yet, Barrie as big of a disaster as he's been... Has probably been at his best when paired with dermott.

Figure that one out.
- joel878

I reject the notion that Barrie has been a disaster. He has been exactly what anyone not chugging blue Koolaid thought he would be.

He is the Leafs’ leading scorer on defence.

He is the Leafs’ leading PP scorer on defence.

He’s third in TOI/G

He’s franking exactly what every Colorado fan said he would be. And he’s doing it at a cap hit of less than $3 million.

This is not directed at you, Joelsie. This rant is to all of Leafs Nation (and especially my brother).

I’m sick of the constant negativity across all Canadian fan bases. We all think we know better than the coaches and GMs.

We all overreact to every franking game. We all call for public hangings of players if they are not perfect every shift.

Stanley has not come to Canada since 1993.

The players have changed.

The coaches have changed.

Management has changed.

The only constant has been us fans.

It’s time we looked in the mirror.

I got punched in the jellybeans several times in the last week for suggesting he wouldn’t fetch more than a third.

It was classic fanism: trade the useless bum because he sucks - other teams would be willing to give up a first!
- Atomic Wedgie

you got punched mainly because you are you

but that "1st rounder thing" ship sailed earlier... apart from what appear to be some "heavy prices" paid by a couple of GMs, not many 1st rounders moving - and most teams that have playoff aspirations already have decent to good powerplays.

the problem with Barrie isn't that he lacks talent, he just doesn't know what he's doing defensively AT ALL, if someone asked about a Gap, he'd assume they were talking about clothes.

and at 28 years old (or whatever) its not like he's going to learn now. Barrie quite literally is Jake Gardiner just shoots right.

it was a good gamble to take by Dubas, can't criticize that aspect of it ... but not recouping some asset for Barrie is just dumb.... I know I know injuries, but seriously Llijegren is better defensively after what 4 games than Barrie after 400.

Dubas moves since becoming GM of the Leafs

-signs igor ozighanov, calls team a bunch ass kissing wussies and leaves after 1 season
-signs par lindholm, trades him mid season for nic petan
-drafts rasmus sandin, sean durzi and others
-signs john tavares, his best move by far, likely encouraged by mlse, rogers & bell
-trades matt martin to the islanders for goalie prospect eamon mcadam
-signs tyler ennis, 1 and done
--waives calvin pickard and loses him
-waives curtis mclheinney who did a great job as backup and loses him, current backup of tampa bay lightning
-promotes sparks, sparks turns out to be a bust on the leafs, ends up traded to vegas for david clarkson's horrible contract back and a 4th rd pick

-trades connor carrick to the stars for a 7th round pick
-signs william nylander after allowing him to sit out until december to a 6 year 6.96 million dollar per year deal, nylander has bad offensive season, more than rebounds next season
-trades josh leivo to vancouver for michael carcone (who?)
-acquires michael hutchinson from panthers for 5th round pick, ends up not being good enough backup, ends up trading him to colorado for round 2 of calle rosen

-acquires jake muzzin from kings for carl grundstrom, sean durzi and 1st round pick, to date has been a somewhat decent deal, leafs may have overpaid to get him
-signs auston matthews to a 5 year 11.634 million dollar per contract extension
-signed ilya mikheyev, good signing but has his wrist cut by skate blade and future is in question
-signed yegor korshkov, decent leafs debut
-trades rights to defenseman fedor gordeev to the wild for a 7th rd pick, couldn't get him signed or didn't want to sign him
-trades patrick marleau's remaining year of 6.25 million cap hit along with the leafs 2020 1st rd pick top 10 protected and a 2020 7th rd pick to carolina for the purposes of a buyout in exchange for a 6th rd pick in 2020

-signs andreas johnsson to 4 year 13.6 million dollar deal, johnson has been hit by injuries all season and is currently out 6 months
-signs kasperi kapanen to a 3 year 9.6 million dollar deal, not having a terrible season but not having as good a season as hoped.
-hires dave hakstol as assistant coach
-continues to re-sign martin marincin over and over again
-trades nazem kadri, calle rosen and 3rd rd pick to the avs for tyson barrie, alex kerfoot and a 6th round pick, a trade that has turned out to be an epic fail
-lets jake gardiner walk without getting anything for him, signs in carolina, should have traded him before his last season ever started

-signs jason spezza 1 year 700k, kenny agostino, kevin gravel, nick shore (lost on waivers)
-trades nikita zaitsev (trade requested), connor brown, michael carcone to ottawa for cody ceci, ben harpur, aaron luchuk and a 3rd round pick, this has been another fail of a deal, gambled on ceci and he has sucked and got injured, lost connor brown in this deal who was at very least a good penalty killer, harpur will never play a minute for the leafs.
-signs ceci to a 1 year 4.5 million dollar contract, ceci is not even worth half of that

-signs alex kerfoot to 4 year 14 million dollar deal
-trades rights to dakota joshua to blues for futures
-signs garrett wilson, kalle kossila, pontus aberg, and tyler gaudet
-trades andreas borgman to the blues for jordan schmaltz
-signs mitch marner to a 6 year 65.3 million dollar deal 10.893 million per
-fires head coach mike babcock
-promotes marlies head coach sheldon keefe to coach of the leafs
-signs sheldon keefe to 3 year contract, team continues to struggle under him after excellent start to new coach

-re-signs justin holl to a 3 year 6 million dollar deal, 2 per, 6-7 guy i guess?
-re-signs marincin again and again and again
-trades trevor moore, 3rd rd pick and conditional pick to kings for jack campbell and kyle clifford, after creating the backup problem himself he finally solves it a full season and a half later and has to give up moore to do it
-re-signs pierre engvall to 2 year extension at 1.25 per, excellent signing
-trades mason marchment to florida for denis malgin, not sure why this happens
-trades aaron luchuk and conditional 6th rd pick to ottawa for max veronneau
-trades ben harpur to nashville for mikka salomaki, touted as a good 2-way player has yet to happen at the nhl level for salomaki

-waives dmytro timashov and loses him to detroit
-trades steve urkel and 1.1 million in cap space to vegas for a 5th rd pick so they could get in on the deal to retain 1.1 million on robin lehner to help vegas make their deal for lehner, dubas uses his team's cap space attained by multiple injuries to his own team to help vegas instead of his own floundering team that is barely clinging on to a playoff spot at the trade deadline
-trades jordan schmaltz who also never plays a minute for the leafs to the islanders for matt dorito

if kyle dubas was a hitter in baseball his batting average would be under .100 almost 2 years on the job and the team would be considering cutting him or sending him back to single A ball.