He hasn’t driven play like he can.

5v5 he has been meh for his standards.
- Santo_44

Meh, a couple analytics stats are down, some are up.
Still producing at a career record.
Not every player improves year over year over year.....actually most dont.

Marner has shown up in playoffs.
Nylander nowhere to be seen.
'Fans' still arguing marner should be traded before nylander

I'm interested to hear what fans honestly think the problem is. It's cliche but with their talent, this shouldn't be happening.

To a lesser degree, the Preds are having the same issue (not nearly the talent level of the Leafs, but on paper they shouldn't be where they are) and everyone in Smashville is scratching their heads too. Both teams fired their coach and not much has changed. So if it wasn't really coaching, that the heck is it?

It's just interesting that some teams do this (The NFL's Cowboys come to mind) and I wonder what the solution is, other than blowing it up and starting over.
- FoxMulder

Nashville and the Leafs issue this year has been goaltending

But I wanted 196 points
- Zezel

Well mister, youre just gonna have to settle.

On the radio this morning they were questioning Muzzin getting 5.6 and then 5 minutes later saying Pageau is a great move.
- RogerRoeper

Dubas will never sign muzzin!

I feel like that's debatable.
- Scabeh

I'm interested to hear what fans honestly think the problem is. It's cliche but with their talent, this shouldn't be happening.

To a lesser degree, the Preds are having the same issue (not nearly the talent level of the Leafs, but on paper they shouldn't be where they are) and everyone in Smashville is scratching their heads too. Both teams fired their coach and not much has changed. So if it wasn't really coaching, that the heck is it?

It's just interesting that some teams do this (The NFL's Cowboys come to mind) and I wonder what the solution is, other than blowing it up and starting over.
- FoxMulder

Experience, some additional pieces... For the Leafs getting their number one Dman would help. The Leafs' record under Keefe with Rielly is being forgotten.

Pageau has hit 20 goals once in his career, this year. He has 40 points right now, and he just got 5M. He is overpayed big time. Kapanen just got 3.2M for 3 years and people were up in arms over his "overpayment"
- Archaic

Lou overpaying a player?
Unheard of.

Marner has shown up in playoffs.
Nylander nowhere to be seen.
'Fans' still arguing marner should be traded before nylander
- MaximusAurelius

Oh so now people aren’t fans if they don’t agree with you.

Ok.

Dubas will never sign muzzin!
- Tumbleweed

LOL

Nashville and the Leafs issue this year has been goaltending
- PatC80

We've had better goaltending lately. In several of the losses, both goalies stood on their head and didn't deserve the L. What gets me is that our "stars" have been MIA and what was once a defensively sound team has become a joke. Plus stupid turnovers, penalties, inability to clear the puck, not taking shots, too much passing...I mean honestly it's like they've suddenly forgot how to play hockey.

It's crazy.

Minus that fact that Skjei isnt realy good, you are right
- Archaic

I don't think he is either.

Numbers say he's good at getting the puck out of the zone but never does anything with it.

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- Scabeh

well...thats not really an outrageous statment...

https://public.tableau.co...n=viz_share_link&:embed=y

Muzzin has been really good.

Manson looks ok but he is not close to worth Marner.
- RogerRoeper

Never said that.

My point was that top 4 RHDs (Marner would fetch a top pairing D) are a rare commodity, which is why you don't see them moved very often.

Vatanen (who's hurt!) netted NJ two prospects and a conditional 4th for a rental.

It's the reason why Barrie was never going anywhere.

Marner has shown up in playoffs.
Nylander nowhere to be seen.
'Fans' still arguing marner should be traded before nylander
- MaximusAurelius

Im sorry, you just said Buffalo was going to pass the Leafs/Florida for the 3rd Atlantic spot....so yeah your Nylander hate isnt going to jive.

I'm not saying it's a steal for Carolina. They paid a good price to get him.

But will he end up helping them on defense? I'm pretty sure he will, yeah.
- Scabeh

that and with Toronto's condition on the draft pick, and the stipulation that the Rangers take the lower of the two 1sts, Canes might end up with no firsts this year and two next year instead.

We've had better goaltending lately. In several of the losses, both goalies stood on their head and didn't deserve the L. What gets me is that our "stars" have been MIA and what was once a defensively sound team has become a joke. Plus stupid turnovers, penalties, inability to clear the puck, not taking shots, too much passing...I mean honestly it's like they've suddenly forgot how to play hockey.

It's crazy.
- FoxMulder

When all logical explanations have failed, might we not look to the paranormal?

well...thats not really an outrageous statment...

https://public.tableau.co...n=viz_share_link&:embed=y

Muzzin has been really good.
- senstroll

Does Dubas get credit for that trade?

I feel like that's debatable.
- Scabeh

You would.
Pfft leaf hater.

I don't think he is either.

Numbers say he's good at getting the puck out of the zone but never does anything with it.
- BINGO!

Yep, I mean hes no Marinpoop/Ceci, but Im not sure I like that long term for the Canes. I love the Trocheck move though.

Yep, I mean hes no Marinpoop/Ceci, but Im not sure I like that long term for the Canes. I love the Trocheck move though.
- Archaic

I need any leafs D to get healthy and remove marincin from the lineup

cant stand him

So which leafs team shows up tonight?
The one that cares, sticks to a game plan and that we've seen only a few times this year?
Or the one that is only interested in padding their stats, not playing for each other and can only play one way?

there might be a 3rd option, but its only marginally better than the second option.

We'll see.
Lets go on a run boys!

We really need to go on a run boys.
Really.
- Fakepartofme

My guess is a similar start to Thursday.

If Andersen is solid and the Leafs get the first goal, they play a great game.
If they give up an early goal. It could get ugly.

The effort will be there, but they too fragile.

Yep, I mean hes no Marinpoop/Ceci, but Im not sure I like that long term for the Canes. I love the Trocheck move though.
- Archaic

The Trocheck move was fantastic. The Skjei move is fine but the price was high.. Injuries came at a bad time for the Canes.

Does Dubas get credit for that trade?
- Santo_44

No, CArl grundstom and Durzy would have this team well ahead of Boston

My guess is a similar start to Thursday.

If Andersen is solid and the Leafs get the first goal, they play a great game.
If they give up an early goal. It could get ugly.

The effort will be there, but they too fragile.
- Aetherial

If Tampa scores on their first shot on goal in the 1st period. It won't end well.