About goaltending

Then there’s you, it was almost nice to see UG back compared to you a lot of days.
- Garnie

I didn’t know the G in UG stood for Garnie

Marincin is an "OK" depth guy. Not worth getting too upset over. Every team has a Marincin.
- RogerRoeper

dubas will never re-sign muzzin!!!!

bernier has the same numbers save % and gaa as freddy.

i guess we would be just as good with him in net.
- Tumbleweed

Kind of a red flag for you there....Freddy should not be in Bernier’s league but he has been this season.

It sucks for the Leafs. It really does.

I think it was Jeff O'Neill, I could be wrong maybe it was Duthie, but during the 1st intermission, O'Neill said "Freddy is a good goalie, I don't know what happened to him"
We don't really know what we have in Campbell.. It's been a good start so far, but we can't have question marks in goal this late in the season.

Andersen is the guy, he's gotta pick up his play. Maybe that big save he made late in the game on Hoffman helps with his confidence?
- PatC80

You gotta hope. I mean the Leafs are 3-5 in February in Freddy's starts (.875, .842, .861, .792, 1.000, .872, .897, .889) and 3-0-1 in February in Campbell's starts (.867, .933, .946, .926).

Do you remember when he put up the .969 (SO Loss to Calgary on January 16). He was great in that game. That's the last time I thought he was _great_. He put up a 34 save (.944) against Nashville on January 27th, and I couldn't really recall it, but I watched the game in six, and he made a couple nice saves in that one, but I didn't get the impression he stole it . . .

The thing with Andersen and us as Leaf fans is that we expect him to be _great_ all the time, so when it last really happened 5 weeks ago, we should be allowed to question what's wrong.

Tavares no Marner: 37
Tavares with Marner: 47
Tavares back again with no Marner: 26 (on pace for 36 over 82 games)

Pretty clear. Marner helps Tavares score 10 more goals. At least.

Matthews 37 in 68 games last year. 44 in 65 this year. That's 7 more goals in 3 fewer games.

Difference? Marner.
- JohnFergusonJr

what are the stats for Matthews since Marner started playing with him regularly? (which I think is coincident with Babcock's firing/Keefe's hiring? I would assume that is even more indicative

Kind of a red flag for you there....Freddy should not be in Bernier’s league but he has been this season.

It sucks for the Leafs. It really does.
- Santo_44

i'll agree to disagree.

what are the stats for Matthews since Marner started playing with him regularly? (which I think is coincident with Babcock's firing/Keefe's hiring? I would assume that is even more indicative
- BorjeFan4Ever

Matthews had gone pretty quiet. He picked up his play when he was paired with Marner. To suggest Marner is the whole reason doesn't pass the eye test. Matthews himself is playing much better.

It was a combo of both of them. Oneill point was pretty valid as you mentioned they didnt know what they might get with Campbell, but to be fair, he has been very good since coming over.

I wonder what the Leafs will do in the offseason and if they move on from Andersen and say try to go after Lehner or something
- Archaic

It could be an interesting off-season, if the Lose in round 1, or if they miss the playoffs somehow, I think we could see a lot of changes.

I didn’t know the G in UG stood for Garnie
- Santo_44

Ya

Real knee slapper, just continue to respond like UG to every post.

Daytime UG

Nighttime UG

Never ending.....

- Dozzer

Thank god common sense and discipline just arrived!











Oh, and you're also here Dozzer, that's great.

i'll agree to disagree.
- Tumbleweed

Up until this week Freddy's numbers in 2020 were virtually identical to Hutchinson's season numbers over the same number of games.

He has not improved that much, so, basically since 2020, he has been Hutchinson.

I don't deny that he is a better goalie than Hutchinson, but to suggest he is fine and is not part of the problem (as some people have done) is pretty dumb.

Thank god common sense and discipline just arrived!



Oh, and you're also here Dozzer, that's great.
- Scabeh

I was gonna ask who you were talking about cause I knew it wasn’t me

You gotta hope. I mean the Leafs are 3-5 in February in Freddy's starts (.875, .842, .861, .792, 1.000, .872, .897, .889) and 3-0-1 in February in Campbell's starts (.867, .933, .946, .926).

Do you remember when he put up the .969 (SO Loss to Calgary on January 16). He was great in that game. That's the last time I thought he was _great_. He put up a 34 save (.944) against Nashville on January 27th, and I couldn't really recall it, but I watched the game in six, and he made a couple nice saves in that one, but I didn't get the impression he stole it . . .

The thing with Andersen and us as Leaf fans is that we expect him to be _great_ all the time, so when it last really happened 5 weeks ago, we should be allowed to question what's wrong.
- Monkeypunk

Agreed.. No goalie is perfect and they will have some bad games throughout the course of the season. Andersen needs to be better.. IMO, the Flames game was the last time, he played great, too bad Rittich was better that night.

You gotta hope. I mean the Leafs are 3-5 in February in Freddy's starts (.875, .842, .861, .792, 1.000, .872, .897, .889) and 3-0-1 in February in Campbell's starts (.867, .933, .946, .926).

Do you remember when he put up the .969 (SO Loss to Calgary on January 16). He was great in that game. That's the last time I thought he was _great_. He put up a 34 save (.944) against Nashville on January 27th, and I couldn't really recall it, but I watched the game in six, and he made a couple nice saves in that one, but I didn't get the impression he stole it . . .

The thing with Andersen and us as Leaf fans is that we expect him to be _great_ all the time, so when it last really happened 5 weeks ago, we should be allowed to question what's wrong.
- Monkeypunk

l found last nights game really curious... the 3rd goal in particular seemed like Andersen was "comatose"... just asleep. After that... he appeared a little unsure of himself for a bit...

but was really solid after that...

I wonder if that "neck-thing" he had... maybe he came back too soon

bernier has the same numbers save % and gaa as freddy.

i guess we would be just as good with him in net.
- Tumbleweed

You probably want to back away from this argument.

Everyone knows that Andersen is a better goalie than Bernier. But not this season. The numbers aren't wrong.

Look, Detroit is a goddamned tire fire. They have no defense. At all. You think our defense is porous - like teams cut through it like a hot knife through butter? Detroit's defense is like already melted butter.

And there's Bernier sporting a .920svp at 5v5. Andersen is .913.

Bernier gets 8.13 HD Shots against / 60; Andersen gets 7.95. Bernier is saving .835 of them whereas Andersen is saving .801.

Bernier gets 7.59 MD Shots against / 60; Andersen gets 7.69. Bernier is saving .912 of those whereas Andersen is saving .906.

Bernier gets 13.34 LD Shots against / 60; Andersen gets 13.54. Bernier is saving .970 of those whereas Andersen is saving .973.

Arguing that it's team D has merit - it's true. But arguing that it's all team D when you have Jonathan Bernier as a shining example that maybe it's also the goalie seems a little off.

Up until this week Freddy's numbers in 2020 were virtually identical to Hutchinson's season numbers over the same number of games.

He has not improved that much, so, basically since 2020, he has been Hutchinson.

I don't deny that he is a better goalie than Hutchinson, but to suggest he is fine and is not part of the problem (as some people have done) is pretty dumb.
- Aetherial

The problem with evaluating goaltending is that a goalie’s stays are heavily effected by the team in front of him. The leafs team D isn’t very good at all... we all know it... they allow a ton of high % shots against... if it weren’t for Andersen, a lot of the leafs Ws would be Ls.

Up until this week Freddy's numbers in 2020 were virtually identical to Hutchinson's season numbers over the same number of games.

He has not improved that much, so, basically since 2020, he has been Hutchinson.

I don't deny that he is a better goalie than Hutchinson, but to suggest he is fine and is not part of the problem (as some people have done) is pretty dumb.
- Aetherial

it just doesn't pass the eye test.

hutch's lateral movement left half the net open way to often. and his glove hand was abysmal. he had no chance on so many goals because he gave himself no chance.

imo, freddy seems mind(frank)ed because guys have too much time and space to rip pucks past his ear or he's too worried about having to lunge across the net to make a save on a wide open player from a cross ice pass.

he's hesitant to go down early and his five hole has opened up.

it was good to hear him say he needs to focus on what he can control. he has to shake that poop out of his head now that the team is playing better.

Up until this week Freddy's numbers in 2020 were virtually identical to Hutchinson's season numbers over the same number of games.

He has not improved that much, so, basically since 2020, he has been Hutchinson.

I don't deny that he is a better goalie than Hutchinson, but to suggest he is fine and is not part of the problem (as some people have done) is pretty dumb.
- Aetherial

You're right.. Andersen's play combined with some weak defensive zone play has really hurt.. Last night, they played a great game.. I hope they can commit to playing team defense every game.
Our team is capable of scoring a lot of goals.

Of course, it doesn't hurt when Bobrovsky has been just as bad as Andersen..

I was gonna ask who you were talking about cause I knew it wasn’t me
- Dozzer

you need an alt with the same picture.. and a very similar name...

one as ref, one not...

then you could have fun

Dr Jekyll and Mr Dozzer

you need an alt with the same picture.. and a very similar name...

one as ref, one not...

then you could have fun

Dr Jekyll and Mr Dozzer
- BorjeFan4Ever

Having an alt is against the CoC though.

That's why NO ONE HERE HAS ONE RIGHT?!?!?

Up until this week Freddy's numbers in 2020 were virtually identical to Hutchinson's season numbers over the same number of games.

He has not improved that much, so, basically since 2020, he has been Hutchinson.

I don't deny that he is a better goalie than Hutchinson, but to suggest he is fine and is not part of the problem (as some people have done) is pretty dumb.
- Aetherial

Weird it coincides with some pretty weak defensive play though?

But yes, a weak goal last night...finally.

Ya

Real knee slapper, just continue to respond like UG to every post.

Daytime UG

Nighttime UG

Never ending.....
- Garnie

Ok U-Garnie

You probably want to back away from this argument.

Everyone knows that Andersen is a better goalie than Bernier. But not this season. The numbers aren't wrong.

Look, Detroit is a goddamned tire fire. They have no defense. At all. You think our defense is porous - like teams cut through it like a hot knife through butter? Detroit's defense is like already melted butter.

And there's Bernier sporting a .920svp at 5v5. Andersen is .913.

Bernier gets 8.13 HD Shots against / 60; Andersen gets 7.95. Bernier is saving .835 of them whereas Andersen is saving .801.

Bernier gets 7.59 MD Shots against / 60; Andersen gets 7.69. Bernier is saving .912 of those whereas Andersen is saving .906.

Bernier gets 13.34 LD Shots against / 60; Andersen gets 13.54. Bernier is saving .970 of those whereas Andersen is saving .973.

Arguing that it's team D has merit - it's true. But arguing that it's all team D when you have Jonathan Bernier as a shining example that maybe it's also the goalie seems a little off.
- Monkeypunk

completely different teams playing different styles.

freddy wins games.

he has proven to be great at times and struggled at times. consistent with most goalies.

You probably want to back away from this argument.

Everyone knows that Andersen is a better goalie than Bernier. But not this season. The numbers aren't wrong.

Look, Detroit is a goddamned tire fire. They have no defense. At all. You think our defense is porous - like teams cut through it like a hot knife through butter? Detroit's defense is like already melted butter.

And there's Bernier sporting a .920svp at 5v5. Andersen is .913.

Bernier gets 8.13 HD Shots against / 60; Andersen gets 7.95. Bernier is saving .835 of them whereas Andersen is saving .801.

Bernier gets 7.59 MD Shots against / 60; Andersen gets 7.69. Bernier is saving .912 of those whereas Andersen is saving .906.

Bernier gets 13.34 LD Shots against / 60; Andersen gets 13.54. Bernier is saving .970 of those whereas Andersen is saving .973.

Arguing that it's team D has merit - it's true. But arguing that it's all team D when you have Jonathan Bernier as a shining example that maybe it's also the goalie seems a little off.
- Monkeypunk

Well there is one big damn difference.

Bernie is playing in Detroit and isn’t expected to win.

Andersen is under a microscope in Toronto and is expected to win.

The difference in pressure is massive.

There’s the human element to consider here as well. These guys aren’t machines.