I’m glad we established “UG” as an insult.
- Santo_44

It should be. That account was perma banned for a large pile of very good reasons

consider adding a giant Thor-like "Ban-Hammer" to your pic... preferably animated.

"Dozzer's Thunder Hammer" ... takes on all kinds of bizarre connotations
- BorjeFan4Ever

batteries not included.

Ive been wondering if he’s seeing the ice as well this year. He seems a little bit more hesitant... he doesn’t seem to be challenging the shooter as much... I’ve been wondering if playing behind an injury riddled defense this year has him putting too much pressure on himself and he’s not letting himself relax. This might all just be in his head.
- Dozzer

if you played behind Barrie and Marincin... you're head would phacked up too!

consider adding a giant Thor-like "Ban-Hammer" to your pic... preferably animated.

"Dozzer's Thunder Hammer" ... takes on all kinds of bizarre connotations
- BorjeFan4Ever

I think I may have to try that one on the gf tonight

I’ll get laughed at but I’ll try it anyways

The problem with evaluating goaltending is that a goalie’s stays are heavily effected by the team in front of him. The leafs team D isn’t very good at all... we all know it... they allow a ton of high % shots against... if it weren’t for Andersen, a lot of the leafs Ws would be Ls.
- Dozzer

The problem with that argument is that it is anecdotal (although I believe it). It doesn't seem to stand up to scrutiny when looked at a number of ways that I have seen people post here from various sources.

The one argument I could make is that 2020 has had a lot of Leafs injuries on D. On the other Hand Hutchinson got mostly the second half of back to backs and there were significant injuries when he played also.

if you played behind Barrie and Marincin... you're head would phacked up too!
- BorjeFan4Ever

If I was in net and saw those two jerseys when I looked up I’d probably seize lol

I think I may have to try that one on the gf tonight

I’ll get laughed at but I’ll try it anyways
- Dozzer

good luck with that one!

if you put any stock in stats.
The Leafs have been middle of the pack average in D, giving up chances/shots etc.

the goalies have sent the results off the ledge this season.
Getting some at min average, and imagine above avg results from the goalies would push the Leafs up towards Bos/TB

https://twitter.com/Chart...tatus/1233402801176432644

Ive been wondering if he’s seeing the ice as well this year. He seems a little bit more hesitant... he doesn’t seem to be challenging the shooter as much... I’ve been wondering if playing behind an injury riddled defense this year has him putting too much pressure on himself and he’s not letting himself relax. This might all just be in his head.
- Dozzer

This is possible or even probable. I am not, nor could I be an alpha competitor. I like to win, but if we lose and I know we tried or did our best, I'm pretty much over a loss in a few minutes. The thing with the NHL's best is that all of these guys hate to lose - that's how they rose to the top. By being elite competitors. But that can lead to trying to do more than you can or should do - doing someone else's job. When teams start to play as individuals or players try to do someone else's job and their own job, they run into trouble. We've all seen that happen.

This is quote from an interview with Andersen that was posted in the Athletic:

“I think what I learn more and more is when I’m at my best I’m very present and very focused on the things that I can control,” Andersen explained. “It’s harder than it sounds. But sometimes when you don’t play well a lot of the reason could be that you start focusing on other things. Not that your focus isn’t great. You’re just focused on the wrong things.”
...
“Whatever your job is, do your job,” he said

- Frederik Andersen

He's been in Toronto for four years and has been expected to win for that entire duration.

I feel the need to clarify this when I'm criticizing Andersen: I think he's a very a good goalie. I think he can be our very good goalie.

I also think something is wrong this year. Are teams figuring him out? You remember how later in CuJo's years here he had that stupid lean away from the goalpost when he was anticipating a cross-ice pass, and teams would eat him up short-side high? Does Andersen have something going on?

One thing he's doing a lot of this year is putting himself out of position on his first save. He isn't controlling the rebound but he's also on his stomach or really out of position for a rebound - which is not something I was used to him doing a lot of in previous years.
- Monkeypunk

This is something he has battled with his whole career. He was getting better, seems to have regressed.

A couple weeks ago during the horrible loss to Pittsburgh, a couple people argued that at least one of the goals was a cross crease pass and therefore unstoppable.

When I look at that goal, I see Andersen play the shot ... and he lazily drifts like 5' out of the net while the tap-in happens.

Maybe it was unstoppable? Then I think back to how many times this season Leafs shooters have been robbed on cross-crease passes. The goalies in those cases did not way over-commit, they were prepared, didn't give up, and made a huge athletic save.

I am NOT saying Andersen is to blame on all the goals he lets in, but I do think he is also not making some saves that *good* NHL goalies make and he is becoming very Bernier-like in that you can almost guarantee 1) an early goal, and 2) at least one soft goal.

There is a huge difference between a specific goal not being a goalies fault, vs. that goalie is playing well.

He's been in Toronto for four years and has been expected to win for that entire duration.

I feel the need to clarify this when I'm criticizing Andersen: I think he's a very a good goalie. I think he can be our very good goalie.

I also think something is wrong this year. Are teams figuring him out? You remember how later in CuJo's years here he had that stupid lean away from the goalpost when he was anticipating a cross-ice pass, and teams would eat him up short-side high? Does Andersen have something going on?

One thing he's doing a lot of this year is putting himself out of position on his first save. He isn't controlling the rebound but he's also on his stomach or really out of position for a rebound - which is not something I was used to him doing a lot of in previous years.
- Monkeypunk

he's out of position because the defense is a mess. he has to react to things because the player with the puck too often has too many options.

if the leafs can keep limiting options by closing passing lanes and forcing players to shoot before they want, freddy can be more proactive and get further out of his net to cut down angles.

he either has had to stay too deep and worry about too many options or he gets burned when he does come out. too many no win situations for him.

but the forwards are helping out more and rielly, muzzin and ceci (i know....still better than a marinshti et. al) are coming back.

i'm optimistic that they have time to get it straightened out and he can play his position more confidently.

The problem with that argument is that it is anecdotal (although I believe it). It doesn't seem to stand up to scrutiny when looked at a number of ways that I have seen people post here from various sources.

The one argument I could make is that 2020 has had a lot of Leafs injuries on D. On the other Hand Hutchinson got mostly the second half of back to backs and there were significant injuries when he played also.
- Aetherial

Well it boils down to this... who would you rather have in net?

good luck with that one!
- BorjeFan4Ever

thanks

Ive been wondering if he’s seeing the ice as well this year. He seems a little bit more hesitant... he doesn’t seem to be challenging the shooter as much... I’ve been wondering if playing behind an injury riddled defense this year has him putting too much pressure on himself and he’s not letting himself relax. This might all just be in his head.
- Dozzer

When he is at his best, he is calm, doesn't overplay, and looks a lot like Price (in style, not talent).

When he is bad, he looks a lot like Gustavsson... atheletic, but unsteady and way overplays everything.

Honestly, when I see that, and I remember the game 7 failures, I think maybe his issue is that he is trying too hard, instead of relaxing and letting the game come to him.

if Keefe had pulled Andersen last night... that may have been "it" for Andersen in Toronto...would have destroyed his currently "fragile" confidence.

There is one thing that the Leafs do have to start doing.. even if it costs them the odd penality. They do need to protect Freddie more vigorously. I think Spezza did at one point last night... even though the intrusion by the Panther's player wasn't that bad... it was the "right" thing to do. Judging by Freddie's reaction to Spezza.. he wants that.
- BorjeFan4Ever

I think so too.. If Keefe had pulled Andersen and the Leafs came back to win with Campbell in net that could have been crushing for Freddy.
I'm happy that Spezza defended Andersen, even though, it really was not that late of a slash on Andersen's glove.

When he is at his best, he is calm, doesn't overplay, and looks a lot like Price (in style, not talent).

When he is bad, he looks a lot like Gustavsson... atheletic, but unsteady and way overplays everything.

Honestly, when I see that, and I remember the game 7 failures, I think maybe his issue is that he is trying too hard, instead of relaxing and letting the game come to him.
- Aetherial

That’s exactly it.

he's out of position because the defense is a mess. he has to react to things because the player with the puck too often has too many options.

if the leafs can keep limiting options by closing passing lanes and forcing players to shoot before they want, freddy can be more proactive and get further out of his net to cut down angles.

he either has had to stay too deep and worry about too many options or he gets burned when he does come out. too many no win situations for him.

but the forwards are helping out more and rielly, muzzin and ceci (i know....still better than a marinshti et. al) are coming back.

i'm optimistic that they have time to get it straightened out and he can play his position more confidently.
- Tumbleweed

Sorry Tumblesies, you are absolutely absolving him of any blame and that is contrary to pretty much any statistical analysis, and contrary to the eye test.

If I was in net and saw those two jerseys when I looked up I’d probably seize lol
- Dozzer

was watching the game with my son (aged 23) last night... and he asks me why I suddenly break out laughing... almost spitted out my beer...

watching Barrie "attempt" to handle what was a one on one with a forward that he had angle on and should be able to out-skate... was pathetic. I've coached Pee-Wees who understand how to attack such a situation like more effectively... Barrie looked like he had absolutely no-idea what to do...

This is possible or even probable. I am not, nor could I be an alpha competitor. I like to win, but if we lose and I know we tried or did our best, I'm pretty much over a loss in a few minutes. The thing with the NHL's best is that all of these guys hate to lose - that's how they rose to the top. By being elite competitors. But that can lead to trying to do more than you can or should do - doing someone else's job. When teams start to play as individuals or players try to do someone else's job and their own job, they run into trouble. We've all seen that happen.

This is quote from an interview with Andersen that was posted in the Athletic:
- Monkeypunk

Yup, sometimes these guys put too much pressure on themselves, especially under the scrutiny of a market like Toronto

That’s exactly it.
- Dozzer

Well that,,,

AND the poopty team defense and lack of effort too many times this year has gotten into his head, which I think is part of the point Tumblesies was trying to make.

was watching the game with my son (aged 23) last night... and he asks me why I suddenly break out laughing... almost spitted out my beer...

watching Barrie "attempt" to handle what was a one on one with a forward that he had angle on and should be able to out-skate... was pathetic. I've coached Pee-Wees who understand how to attack such a situation like more effectively... Barrie looked like he had absolutely no-idea what to do...


- BorjeFan4Ever

Oh Barrie’s defense is mediocre at best... we all know it...the guy is there to put up points from the back end... which he hasn’t done all that well at this year... if he had a higher point total I think the media and fans would be going a little bit easier on him.

Kapanen really wants a Gordie Howe hattrick, cant quite get there

As always around here, we are a 3 game winning streak from planning the parade and a 3 game losing streak away from collective suicide.
- Scabeh

Amen brother.

I think so too.. If Keefe had pulled Andersen and the Leafs came back to win with Campbell in net that could have been crushing for Freddy.
I'm happy that Spezza defended Andersen, even though, it really was not that late of a slash on Andersen's glove.
- PatC80

yup yup...

it was great what Spezza did... he didn't take a penalty.. 'cause he didn't lose his mind... but he made his point....

the problem is too few of the Leafs do this stuff...

Nylander on Kapanen's fighting

"Yeah, it's coming along. I've been practicing with him at home and teaching him a few things"

Willy can do it all. Heavyweight champ