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VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 10 @ 4:18 PM ET
OMG dude, please tell me you're not serious? This is by my count the 1st game all year that's happened (and will probably last 5 shifts) and you think Benning can use that as ammo against JVs agent come negotiating time?? C'mon man.
- Brooks_Light



This is not the first time Jake has played 4 th line .
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Mar 10 @ 4:21 PM ET
How long did he last at first line?
- VANTEL

He's played in the top 6 a fair bit this season.

How long do any of Green's lines stay together?
belcherbd
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Nanaimo
Joined: 02.16.2007

Mar 10 @ 4:23 PM ET
He's played in the top 6 a fair bit this season.

How long do any of Green's lines stay together?

- Marwood


I thought he didn't know how to adapt?
Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

Mar 10 @ 4:23 PM ET
I have already said three times in the last hour yes Canucks have bad contracts.

But replacing a fouth line 3 mil Jake is just swapping one bad contract for another

- VANTEL


And you are correct and we all agree. But your JV argument now is based on 1 game that hasn't been played yet!!

In reality he's a middle 6 guy and has improved each season and that's how his agent will negotiate it. Vantel you know very well REGULAR/DAILY 4th liners don't score 18 goals.

Even Tampa - who have scored the most goals of any team in the league - 4th liner is Cedric Paquette - 7gs 18pts - $1.65mill
CanuckDon
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Las Vegas
Joined: 08.05.2014

Mar 10 @ 4:25 PM ET
He's played in the top 6 a fair bit this season.

How long do any of Green's lines stay together?

- Marwood

Well Green is a great coach and if he has now deemed that Jake is a 4th liner he is right. And that makes Vantel right
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 10 @ 4:26 PM ET
He's played in the top 6 a fair bit this season.

How long do any of Green's lines stay together?

- Marwood



Yes Green does change his lines

In healthy year with Petey Bo Brock Jake Miller Pearson and Toffoli where does Jake fit ? I think the majority will say 7 th

So Jake now has to replace Zac or Roussel who Green has chosen.

On a healthy team Jake will probably spend a lot of time on Sutters line. Odd men out don't get 3 mil IMO
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Mar 10 @ 4:27 PM ET
So your argument is to unstack the top 6 to make room for Jake?
- VANTEL




I'm not going to bite on that one.

If that's your extrapolation, that's on you.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 10 @ 4:29 PM ET
And you are correct and we all agree. But your JV argument now is based on 1 game that hasn't been played yet!!

In reality he's a middle 6 guy and has improved each season and that's how his agent will negotiate it. Vantel you know very well REGULAR/DAILY 4th liners don't score 18 goals.

Even Tampa - who have scored the most goals of any team in the league - 4th liner is Cedric Paquette - 7gs 18pts - $1.65mill

- Brooks_Light


Jake has had a very good year but a healthy team with Lievo Motte back Jake will be fighting for minutes. Green in the past has had Lievo ahead of Jake and that fact Loui too.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 10 @ 4:32 PM ET
I'm not going to bite on that one.

If that's your extrapolation, that's on you.

- dbot



That was the only way it could be taken.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Mar 10 @ 4:38 PM ET
That was the only way it could be taken.
- VANTEL


Sure mate.
i mean, it was your zero-sum scenario of either TT or JV.
So...i suppose you're the authority on the topic.
Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

Mar 10 @ 4:40 PM ET
Yes Green does change his lines

In healthy year with Petey Bo Brock Jake Miller Pearson and Toffoli where does Jake fit ? I think the majority will say 7 th

So Jake now has to replace Zac or Roussel who Green has chosen.

On a healthy team Jake will probably spend a lot of time on Sutters line. Odd men out don't get 3 mil IMO

- VANTEL


So an unrealistic year?

Jake has been a staple on the 3rd line all year. He has moved up seamlessly and played/fit in on the 2nd, 1st line & PP2 when needed. He's not a 4th liner, on ANY team. If i'm his agent my argument is clear as day with tons of comparable contracts. 20 goals 40 pts, Plays 13mins a night, can jump through the lineup, majority of his Pts are EV, hits well above average, improved each year.
3mil is a fawking steal!!!

It's not the contract(s) we should be worried about.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Mar 10 @ 4:46 PM ET
Well Green is a great coach and if he has now deemed that Jake is a 4th liner he is right. And that makes Vantel right
- CanuckDon

VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 10 @ 4:48 PM ET
Sure mate.
i mean, it was your zero-sum scenario of either TT or JV.
So...i suppose you're the authority on the topic.

- dbot



Canadians say dude not mate

Don't get pissy just because you are wrong.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 10 @ 4:50 PM ET
So an unrealistic year?

Jake has been a staple on the 3rd line all year. He has moved up seamlessly and played/fit in on the 2nd, 1st line & PP2 when needed. He's not a 4th liner, on ANY team. If i'm his agent my argument is clear as day with tons of comparable contracts. 20 goals 40 pts, Plays 13mins a night, can jump through the lineup, majority of his Pts are EV, hits well above average, improved each year.
3mil is a fawking steal!!!

It's not the contract(s) we should be worried about.

- Brooks_Light



We can argue for days but as long as Zac gives good minutes and the line produces Jake will be in tough to get back on the third line. I think you will see a lot of Jake starting fourth line until the year ends.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Mar 10 @ 4:51 PM ET
Canadians say dude not mate

Don't get pissy just because you are wrong.

- VANTEL

Not pissy. Or wrong!
Just not interested in deconstructing your exaggerations today.

Old folks shouldn’t say dude my dude.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 10 @ 4:53 PM ET
Not pissy. Or wrong!
Just not interested in deconstructing your exaggerations today.

Old folks shouldn’t say dude my dude.

- dbot


Thanks fukface . Is that better


Do you think you are exempt from getting old Stupid people
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Mar 10 @ 4:57 PM ET
Thanks fukface . Is that better


Do you think you are exempt from getting old Stupid people

- VANTEL

A perfect example of how you exaggerate and twist words to make your misconstrued argument.

VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 10 @ 5:01 PM ET
A perfect example of how you exaggerate and twist words to make your misconstrued argument.


- dbot


Old folks shouldn’t say dude my dude.
- dbot

My mistake I guess when you called me old folks it was meant in an endearing way.

Thanks punk (also endearing)
Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

Mar 10 @ 5:02 PM ET
We can argue for days but as long as Zac gives good minutes and the line produces Jake will be in tough to get back on the third line. I think you will see a lot of Jake starting fourth line until the year ends.
- VANTEL


I don't - when Motte is back Zac will be on the 4th line or scratched as usual. This Jake 4th line is an anomaly and probably won't last into the 2nd period. It's the same thing with Loui being on the 1st line, whereas he should be in Kalamazoo. But for some reason Green has a hard on the size of Utah for the guy.
LeftCoaster
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Duck City, CA
Joined: 07.03.2009

Mar 10 @ 5:04 PM ET
They should let Toffoli walk and put Virtanen in the top six, Mac plays third line.

Or sign Toffoli and have a third line of Virtanen Gaudette Mac.

Get rid of the deadweight in Sutter, Roussel, Eriksson, etc.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 10 @ 5:07 PM ET
I don't - when Motte is back Zac will be on the 4th line or scratched as usual. This Jake 4th line is an anomaly and probably won't last into the 2nd period. It's the same thing with Loui being on the 1st line, whereas he should be in Kalamazoo. But for some reason Green has a hard on the size of Utah for the guy.
- Brooks_Light



It would be sort of dumb of Green in a playoff run to use Jake on the fourth line if he felt he was better than the others don't you think?
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Mar 10 @ 5:08 PM ET
Old folks shouldn’t say dude my dude.
- dbot

My mistake I guess when you called me old folks it was meant in an endearing way.

Thanks punk (also endearing)

- VANTEL


Sorry mate. Old folk wasn’t meant to be endearing or a critique, it was factual. I was however pointing That you often like to extrapolate points that are exaggerated.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 10 @ 5:15 PM ET
[quote=dbot]

Maybe if you would stop saying dumb things I wouldn't need to exaggerate .

Jake is '4th liner' when we have a stacked top 6.

No Toffoli next year would open up a spot on the top 6 for JV i suspect.
He wouldn't produce as much as TT, but would be cheaper and bring speed/strength.

That was your comment

Your solution was to not have the best top 6 .You want save 2 mil so Jake could play top 6 and have less production from your top 6 .

Sorry if I offend you but I find comments like this dumb.

Your turn to fire back , be my guest
Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

Mar 10 @ 5:25 PM ET
It would be sort of dumb of Green in a playoff run to use Jake on the fourth line if he felt he was better than the others don't you think?
- VANTEL


Loui Ekiksson says HI!

BTW "Sort of Dumb of Green" should be our podcast title
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Mar 10 @ 5:34 PM ET
Loui Ekiksson says HI!

BTW "Sort of Dumb of Green" should be our podcast title

- Brooks_Light



Green did come out and explain his reasoning the other day when they played the AVS. Most of it was white noise but he did say one thing that stuck.

He laughed at all the fans and media critique for changing his lines so much then said and when I do keep a line together for a long time like Bo Loui Pearson line I get ripped again.

I think as fans we are not privy to all inside info . There has to be something going on that we don't have info on . There has to be some thing we don't know as to why that line existed so long.
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