shack67
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: NS Joined: 07.05.2015
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53 but who's counting? - gergeswillems
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gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON Joined: 02.01.2016
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To Det: Kris Draper
To WPG: $1.00 USD
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To FLA: Stu Barnes
To WPG: Randy Gilhen - TheUltimateJet
Draper gave Ilitch back the dollar after Detroit won the Cup in 97. |
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Sayros
Vancouver Canucks |
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Location: Canada, AB Joined: 07.01.2007
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e1 for e5.
both worthless and never made the show.
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gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON Joined: 02.01.2016
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This is the definitive correct answer. I can't believe it took five pages to get to it. - Sven22
It was mentioned twice previously. |
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AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: Canada, ON Joined: 11.05.2007
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My wife, to her new boyfriend for nothing in return - eichiefs9
consider it a salary dump |
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66Shaun87
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Ocean City, MD Joined: 03.18.2020
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Pens trade Marcus Naslund for Alek Stoyanov (Vancouver) in 1996.
Naslund finished as Vancouver's all time leader in goals and points at the time.
Stoyanov scored 2 goals in 45 games for the Penguins. |
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Well I wasn't aware of that, thank you. The point is:
People acted like the cap was to create parity so that poorer teams (like NJ, TB, Colorado) could compete with the big spenders (like Philly, New York, and Toronto).
Never mind the fact that NJ, TB, and Col accounted for 6 Cups in 11 years preceding the implementation of the cap, while none of the top spenders (maybe Detroit in the top-5?) won any of them.
The cap was all about letting owners control salaries, nothing more. - jmatchett383
It was really not a significant issue until around the turn of the millennium. Extrapolating from what was happening in the 2000-4 time frame it would have become a serious issue going forward - more and more serious each year. I can say for certainty that Crosby and Malkin would not have remained Penguins much past the 2010-12 time frame. They certainly would not have been on the 2016-7 teams that won Cups. The team would have also almost certainly moved from Pittsburgh. I remember comments from Lemieux saying that while the new arena was important the cap was critical. The team could have stayed in the area without the new arena but could not have without the cap.
The issue also really is not about winning Cups but rather about being able to put a competitive team on the ice year after year, instead of being in a constant build up and tear down cycle. Small market teams sometimes do win the WS in MLB but when that happens they have to tear down and rebuild again because they can no longer afford their roster (the Pirates didn't "reach the summit" in 2015 due to managerial incompetence - they still had to tear down anyway, though). It is much tougher to remain a fan of teams that have to tear down all the time and are constantly rebuilding.
I have a tough time understanding Melnyk's reasoning for tearing down the 2017 Senators team that was one goal from reaching the Finals but without a cap that would be the norm in the NHL. Even as a Pens fan it was tough watching that. I can't imagine the trauma I would go through seeing that happen to my beloved Pens. |
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Sven22
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI Joined: 12.24.2007
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It was mentioned twice previously. - gergeswillems
I saw that the Hasek for Kozlov deal was mentioned, but not Hasek-Beauregard, which is immeasurably worse.
It's possible I missed it though. My speed skimming / Ctl + F skills may not be what they used to be. |
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B2B76
New York Rangers |
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Location: "I got mouths to feed", NY Joined: 08.14.2008
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My top 2:
1. Roy to Colorado
2. Lindros to Flyers - cprev7
And remember the Rangers in 1992 also had a package in place for Lindros. Think it was Vanbiesbrouck, Kovalev, Tony Amonte, James Patrick & picks and cash. Of course we had to wait another 10 years and then make a equally stupid trade for ErIC after his brains were mush. |
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66Shaun87
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Ocean City, MD Joined: 03.18.2020
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Penguins trade Jaromir Jagr to the Washington Capitals in 2001 for three prospects who never make an impact in the NHL...Kris Beech, Michal Sivek, and Ross Lupaschuk. It was a giveaway by the Penguins because they didn't have the money to pay him. |
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dpeltsman
New York Islanders |
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Joined: 03.08.2013
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Luongo and olli jokenin for Oleg kvasha and Mark Parrish
Or yashin for chara and future (Jason Spezza) |
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B2B76
New York Rangers |
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Location: "I got mouths to feed", NY Joined: 08.14.2008
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Pens trade Marcus Naslund for Alek Stoyanov (Vancouver) in 1996.
Naslund finished as Vancouver's all time leader in goals and points at the time.
Stoyanov scored 2 goals in 45 games for the Penguins. - 66Shaun87
That was brutal. I hated when the Rangers dealt Sergei Zubov along w Nedved for Ulfie & Robataille in 1995. At least you guys got rid of Zubov too and he spent the rest of his career in Dallas. |
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Piano Man
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Ashburn, VA Joined: 06.28.2019
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This may not be the worst trade of all time, but it worked out really well for the flyers.
Flyers traded winger Mark Recchi and a 1995 third-round pick to the Montreal Canadiens for defenseman Eric Desjardins, along with forwards John LeClair and Gilbert Dionne.
I love Mark Recchi, but giving up both Desjardins and LeClair to get him.... of course, I dont think anyone knew what LeClair would turn into. |
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B2B76
New York Rangers |
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Location: "I got mouths to feed", NY Joined: 08.14.2008
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Luongo and olli jokenin for Oleg kvasha and Mark Parrish
Or yashin for chara and future (Jason Spezza) - dpeltsman
Another terrible Milburry trade was McCabe & Bertuzzi for Trevor Linden & Gino Odjick. We've (our teams) all made our share of awful deals. |
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Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Has anyone discussed the standings today? Joined: 06.30.2006
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A young David Poile running around the Spectrum in 1966 agrees. - gergeswillems
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neem55
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 02.02.2012
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On Jan. 2, 1992, the Flames traded Doug Gilmour, Ric Nattress, Kent Manderville, Jamie Macoun and Rick Wamsley, and Toronto sent Gary Leeman, Craig Berube, Alexander Godynyuk, Michel Petit and Jeff Reese the other way. - gergeswillems
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neem55
Vancouver Canucks |
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Joined: 02.02.2012
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Neely, Hasek, Forsberg and naslund could all be made a case for. I think it’s the hasek trade for me though. |
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acdc1206
Pittsburgh Penguins |
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Location: Fire Sullivan, PA Joined: 06.13.2007
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Markus Naslund for Alex Stojanov - chasc57
Don't remind me. |
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B2B76
New York Rangers |
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Location: "I got mouths to feed", NY Joined: 08.14.2008
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Neely, Hasek, Forsberg and naslund could all be made a case for. I think it’s the hasek trade for me though. - neem55
One thing to remember which can easily get forgotten, well a few things really. Hasek was an unknown commodity at the time. The Hawks had one of the best goalies in the league at that time in Eddie Belfour. And last but not least there was an expansion draft coming up in July 92 where teams could only protect 1 tender of their 2 goalies and Chicago figured get something for him instead of losing him for nothing which they would have in the Lightning & Senators drafts. |
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Phigment
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: United States, VA Joined: 02.17.2007
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Nashville trade Martin Erat to Washington for Fillip Forsberg |
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Russ Cooutnall to Montreal .... Leafs get Kordic |
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Nasty_Duck
Boston Bruins |
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Location: ON Joined: 06.20.2012
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Neely, Hasek, Forsberg and naslund could all be made a case for. I think it’s the hasek trade for me though. - neem55
For me it was Neely. |
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Sven22
Detroit Red Wings |
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Location: Grand Rapids, MI Joined: 12.24.2007
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One thing to remember which can easily get forgotten, well a few things really. Hasek was an unknown commodity at the time. The Hawks had one of the best goalies in the league at that time in Eddie Belfour. And last but not least there was an expansion draft coming up in July 92 where teams could only protect 1 tender of their 2 goalies and Chicago figured get something for him instead of losing him for nothing which they would have in the Lightning & Senators drafts. - B2B76
Hasek became a professional in the Czech Extraliga in 1980 at age 16. The Chicago Blackhawks drafted Hasek in 1983, nine years before they traded him. He was named the top goalie in the Extraliga five years in a row from 1986-1990, and top player overall in 1987, 1989, and 1990.
Sorry, I’m not cutting the Blackhawks any slack on the “unknown commodity” front. They obviously didn’t know what they had, but that’s a 100% self-inflicted mistake. His talent and potential should have been obvious to all but the willfully ignorant. |
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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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Any team that traded a first or second round pick for a rental this year. |
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jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Newark, DE Joined: 03.09.2010
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Hasek became a professional in the Czech Extraliga in 1980 at age 16. The Chicago Blackhawks drafted Hasek in 1983, nine years before they traded him. He was named the top goalie in the Extraliga five years in a row from 1986-1990, and top player overall in 1987, 1989, and 1990.
Sorry, I’m not cutting the Blackhawks any slack on the “unknown commodity” front. They obviously didn’t know what they had, but that’s a 100% self-inflicted mistake. His talent and potential should have been obvious to all but the willfully ignorant. - Sven22
Surely it had nothing to do with the fact that they had Ed Belfour, the reigning Jennings, Vezina, and Calder winner in net.
Hasek ended up being better than Belfour in the end, but they are both HOFers. It's not like they traded Hasek to go with Dominik Roussell or something. |
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