It depends, JB and Weisbrod clearly have a vision and a plan they want to execute, and you can argue whether the vision and plan is a good one. Having "yes men" is bad because you get confirmation bias and a lack of a real sounding board that can give you an objective opinion. That said, having someone clearly not on the same page as the rest is just as bad because now you've got a power struggle to deal with.
Again, in the end, losing Brackett isn't going to make or break the team and if it did, he would have been resigned by now. By potentially losing him, you get a chance to really look at your hockey operations department, and maybe add a few new faces and/or change things up if it's not working well. Might give JB the opportunity to use the money that might have been spent on Brackett to hire more people to bring staffing levels up closer to other team's levels. - DariusKnight
The funny part is, we're how many years in the vision still doesn't seem clear(at least not to me). Heading into last summer it was starting to look clear with a lot of comments about being patient but then they blew their loads in free agency and traded a 1st and 2nd round pick along with a top 5 prospect in the system. I get that they want the young guys to experience winning, but I wonder how important the big picture is for this ownership/management versus making the playoffs asap.
It's a talented young core surrounded by random mix of role players who aren't good enough for the amount of total money they make, and none of the overpaid vets are easy to move thanks to NTC's.
Overpaid ageing role players with NTC's basically negates the amazing cap hit value you're getting out of EP, Miller, Markstrom and Hughes.
I don't think the sky is falling, but I think it's clear that JB/Weisbrod tend to overvalue veteran role players. I'd like to see the team focus more on developing homegrown role players that are cheap and can get similar(or better) results as guys like Sutter/Beagle/Schaller/Eriksson/Roussel have this season. Or try to target cheap players like Fatenberg and Leivo if you don't believe in your organizational depth. I don't buy the hindsight is 20/20 excuse either, all of those signings were met with criticism when they were announced. It's not like a lot of us were like "damn that's a really good value signing" except for the Ferland deal.
The other weakness I see is JB's overrating of his own prospects(which feels bizarre to say considering how he gives up picks like Halloween candy). I think he had a quote a few months ago where he said he expects 6 or 7 future NHL'ers from his prospect group. I'm assuming he means legit NHL'ers and not just "cup of tea" call-up AHL'ers. That seems like some serious wishful thinking. Even prospects who develop well in the AHL sometimes end up failing to become legit NHL'ers.
Brackett is probably overrated but come on, there's no way you truly believe that he's the one that should be leaving for a shakeup. And if he's leaving it's likely because he and Benning don't see eye-to-eye so they're most likely going to bring in a "yes man" who will agree JB and Weisbrod on most things. Plus it was reported last year that the Canucks office is understaffed compared to most front offices around the NHL, losing Brackett doesn't help there. Bring on another voice to add to the group, sure, I'm on board with that.
Or just let Weisbrod go
I'd imagine Weisbrod getting fired would look something like this:
Weisbrod “I don’t even really work here.”
Aquilini “I know, that’s what makes this so hard.” - 1970vintage
I said all last summer we will draft our top 10 pick and then the following year we should trade our first round pick for a high profiled player. I did not expect it to happen the same day and I heard the name JTM I thought what a moron. Turns out JTM was the perfect pick.
The thing is , it was ripe for the happening . TOR did it CGY did it . Young teams with good prospects will do this.
Every trade Canucks make is mostly met with resistance . You have Petey and QH who will be the future of this team and BB and some of the young guys will fall in behind as the support group.
Picking up JTM and TT are solid moves . They will now do more shuffling and with the surprise end to the season. May have to do more than anyone planned to get rid of some of these older players.
I like this team as much as I liked any Canuck team ever. I really liked the 92 Cup run team but was not a fan of the 2011 cup run team.
I understand the dislike for Benning but I want him to finish hs job and show me the finished product in two years.
I said all last summer we will draft our top 10 pick and then the following year we should trade our first round pick for a high profiled player. I did not expect it to happen the same day and I heard the name JTM I thought what a moron. Turns out JTM was the perfect pick.
The thing is , it was ripe for the happening . TOR did it CGY did it . Young teams with good prospects will do this.
Every trade Canucks make is mostly met with resistance . You have Petey and QH who will be the future of this team and BB and some of the young guys will fall in behind as the support group.
Picking up JTM and TT are solid moves . They will now do more shuffling and with the surprise end to the season. May have to do more than anyone planned to get rid of some of these older players.
I like this team as much as I liked any Canuck team ever. I really liked the 92 Cup run team but was not a fan of the 2011 cup run team.
I understand the dislike for Benning but I want him to finish hs job and show me the finished product in two years. - VANTEL
The only difference in opinion between you and I is that I felt waiting that extra two years was critical. Has Miller been good? Absolutely. But will he be as dominant two years down the road? Or will there be another player that becomes available then that puts the young AND established team over the top. Quinn an Elias still need to grow and mature. They will both be much better hockey players in a few seasons.
The only difference in opinion between you and I is that I felt waiting that extra two years was critical. Has Miller been good? Absolutely. But will he be as dominant two years down the road? Or will there be another player that becomes available then that puts the young AND established team over the top. Quinn an Elias still need to grow and mature. They will both be much better hockey players in a few seasons. - 1970vintage
They will be very good players in a few seasons and there is nothing wrong with getting them playoff experience right away. The goal this year was to compete and they did that.
I think next years goal is to fine tune get rid of deadwood .
I don't see any reason why TT or JTM can't be at the top at age 30-31 .
It depends, JB and Weisbrod clearly have a vision and a plan they want to execute, and you can argue whether the vision and plan is a good one. Having "yes men" is bad because you get confirmation bias and a lack of a real sounding board that can give you an objective opinion. That said, having someone clearly not on the same page as the rest is just as bad because now you've got a power struggle to deal with.
Again, in the end, losing Brackett isn't going to make or break the team and if it did, he would have been resigned by now. By potentially losing him, you get a chance to really look at your hockey operations department, and maybe add a few new faces and/or change things up if it's not working well. Might give JB the opportunity to use the money that might have been spent on Brackett to hire more people to bring staffing levels up closer to other team's levels. - DariusKnight
There’s such a huge divide between opinions, some see things that other cant. I don’t think Benning has a plan at all, he never has imo. Initially he tried to be competitive, which they were his first year, then he tried mightily and failed. He signed expensive free agents, always spent to the cap, traded picks and youth for veteran players, all the while finishing near the bottom of the league.
The whole Godsend in all of that is the franchise was awarded great draft positions and luckily they had someone like Brackett pushing for speed and talent over meat and potato’s.
IMO Benning’s maxed out his potential. He’s taken this as far as he can. Unfortunately he has a new three year contract so he’s not going anywhere because he’s an Aquilini yes-man.
I said all last summer we will draft our top 10 pick and then the following year we should trade our first round pick for a high profiled player. I did not expect it to happen the same day and I heard the name JTM I thought what a moron. Turns out JTM was the perfect pick.
The thing is , it was ripe for the happening . TOR did it CGY did it . Young teams with good prospects will do this.
Every trade Canucks make is mostly met with resistance . You have Petey and QH who will be the future of this team and BB and some of the young guys will fall in behind as the support group.
Picking up JTM and TT are solid moves . They will now do more shuffling and with the surprise end to the season. May have to do more than anyone planned to get rid of some of these older players.
I like this team as much as I liked any Canuck team ever. I really liked the 92 Cup run team but was not a fan of the 2011 cup run team.
I understand the dislike for Benning but I want him to finish hs job and show me the finished product in two years. - VANTEL
He's done enough. Time for an actual GM to run this team. Someone with balls. Benning is an idiot.
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund Joined: 04.18.2010
Mar 29 @ 11:00 AM ET
There’s such a huge divide between opinions, some see things that other cant. I don’t think Benning has a plan at all, he never has imo. Initially he tried to be competitive, which they were his first year, then he tried mightily and failed. He signed expensive free agents, always spent to the cap, traded picks and youth for veteran players, all the while finishing near the bottom of the league.
The whole Godsend in all of that is the franchise was awarded great draft positions and luckily they had someone like Brackett pushing for speed and talent over meat and potato’s.
IMO Benning’s maxed out his potential. He’s taken this as far as he can. Unfortunately he has a new three year contract so he’s not going anywhere because he’s an Aquilini yes-man. - Pacificgem
There’s such a huge divide between opinions, some see things that other cant. I don’t think Benning has a plan at all, he never has imo. Initially he tried to be competitive, which they were his first year, then he tried mightily and failed. He signed expensive free agents, always spent to the cap, traded pucks and youth for veteran players, all the while finishing near the bottom of the league.
The whole Godsend in all of that is the franchise was awarded great draft positions and luckily they had someone like Brackett pushing for speed and talent over meat and potato’s.
IMO Benning’s maxed out his potential. He’s taken this as far as he can. Unfortunately he has a new three year contract so he’s not going anywhere because he’s an Aquilini yes-man. - Pacificgem
That is a crock of sh1t. If you could really see things that other couldn't see you would be working top management in the NHL.
The first part of your statement is correct but the second half is a joke.
We all do have different opinions about how things should be done but self appointing yourself smarter than a GM of an actual team is beyond funny.
That is a crock of sh1t. If you could really see things that other see you would be working top management in the NHL.
The first part of your statement is correct but the second half is a joke.
We all do have different opinions about how things should be done but self appointing yourself smarter than a GM of an actual team is beyond funny. - VANTEL
I was speaking from a fan perspective, you see things one way whereas someone else will see it totally different, that’s human nature.
No, if you disagree with Vantel then you are trying to be a better GM than Benning.
You are not alone, some of us see how stupid Benning is and that his plan changes every year. - Marwood
I get it, he likes that the teams improved after failing four of the first five years under Benning, how could they not. I just don’t think Benning’s ever had a plan, if he has, he’s clearly failed at it but because of the system, which rewards failure, they were bound to get better eventually.
I never said that, you just read it that way. I said some fans see things one way and other fans just can’t see it that way. Learn to read. - Pacificgem
There’s such a huge divide between opinions, some see things that other cant.
That was your comment same as the other night when you weren't promoting Connar Beddard to McDavid. I suggest you use your words better.
There’s such a huge divide between opinions, some see things that other cant. I don’t think Benning has a plan at all, he never has imo. Initially he tried to be competitive, which they were his first year, then he tried mightily and failed. He signed expensive free agents, always spent to the cap, traded picks and youth for veteran players, all the while finishing near the bottom of the league.
The whole Godsend in all of that is the franchise was awarded great draft positions and luckily they had someone like Brackett pushing for speed and talent over meat and potato’s.
IMO Benning’s maxed out his potential. He’s taken this as far as he can. Unfortunately he has a new three year contract so he’s not going anywhere because he’s an Aquilini yes-man. - Pacificgem
Let's see this seems to be another theme of fire JB hire Brackett but Aquilini is the problem? But you like the improvement of the team and want to give credit elsewhere.
Location: I stay away from the completely crazy rumours on the internet.I will occasionally debunk them-Eklund Joined: 04.18.2010
Mar 29 @ 11:16 AM ET
I could tell you every anti Benning fan on here but come Lefty is not smarter than an actual GM.
I don't care at all if anyone likes Benning and I am not a huge fan but find me the proper upgrade.
Some of us don't hate everything he has done. - VANTEL
"I like this team as much as I liked any Canuck team ever. "
"Benning ... I am not a huge fan."
These two sentiments seem at odds with one another.
He's a bubble team manager. The team needs a guy to take it to the next level. It won't happen due to Aquaman liking him but we'll get to see if Benning has the ability to take the next step.
There’s such a huge divide between opinions, some see things that other cant.
That was your comment same as the other night when you weren't promoting Connar Beddard to McDavid. I suggest you use your words better. - VANTEL
Look if you can’t read or comprehend I don’t have time to write a book to explain everything to you.
Some see things that others can’t was a clear comment about the divide between fans seeing two different things. There was no mention of the GM.
Ok, I’ll type it this way for your simple mind; some fans see things one way and other fans see the total opposite even though they’re looking at the same thing....better?
