PFFFT ... Reilly better than Keith? ... yeah right. We all know the only stat that matters is scoring so let me just lay this on ya: Keith career scoring average = 0.53 pts/gm, whereas Reilly is only 0.52 / pts/gm. So there you have it. The dispute has been resolved.

BTW: Leddy = 0.42 pts/gm ... so yeah ...
- EbonyRaptor

If only Q would have played him more...

Except it's 100 correct. Keith wasn't anything special until ages 25+. It was much more of a late bloomer than Rielly.
- RogerRoeper

I am not sure about that. Hockey reference shows Keith was a plus 30 in 2007/08 when he was 24 years old. 5th highest in the league. (on a so-so team). All Star in 2008. He was even better the following year.

I am not sure about that. Hockey reference shows Keith was a plus 30 in 2007/08 when he was 24 years old. 5th highest in the league. (on a so-so team). All Star in 2008. He was even better the following year.
- -Doh-

It's telling you are only using 1 single outdated stat to prove your point.

You've been railing on Andersen for a while now.

GAA his three years in ANA:
2.29, 2.38, 2.30

GAA his four years in TOR:
2.67, 2.81, 2.77, 2.85

What changed? The team in front of him and how they play? Or did he suddenly start drinking suck juice? You cannot say that TOR plays a defensively sound game. They have a tremendous offense. Their D is lacking. Fix that and you have an elite team. Keep doing the same thing, and you will get 1st/2nd round exits.

It's the same thing that happened to the Hawks. I'm not saying this was causal, but when CHI brought on Panarin, they scored a ton, but their D was brutal. Result: a first round ouster and a humiliating loss the next year.
- Chunk

Now do save %! and games started. There's a reason you left it out.

And sorry, what does Panarin prove? Are you saying the Hawks lost because of him? It was a BRUTAL trade to move him.

If only Q would have played him more...
- Chunk

Just remembering the good ole days when the original mouth-agape fleet-skating PMD was patrolling our d-zone. The picture of Leddy standing there to the side of the Hawks' net with that idiot look on his face and his mouth hanging open like a whale trying to catch smelt. Quite a sight. Now imagine that picture if Leddy and Gustafsson had played together and Gustafsson is standing on the other side of the net with that same slack-jawed "'doh" look on his face.

Mercy! We dodged a bullet there fellas.

Err the 1976-77 Canadiens that had a 132 point season and won the cup to me probably was the strongest roster ever, forwards, defense, and Dryden in nets, they had it all.
- LAHawk

Yes that was a great team, however the 2010 Hawks are without a doubt the best team post cap era.

It's telling you are only using 1 single outdated stat to prove your point.
- RogerRoeper

You seem entrenched as can be. Until recently as strong on your opinion as someTrump loyalists soldier on (if this vernacular is in poor taste, it is only meant as metaphorically). But your guy gets more acclaim after he has been good for more than his short NHL days to date.

You are in a vaccum with this Reilly is so good. Truth is - as a poster pointed out -if and when Reilly has better defensive support from the team's system and his teamattes themselves, it is difficult to say he is superman. He is good and he may be able to be a #1 on some teams. Until Toronto changed their system and less top offensive stars most part not caring to play defensively too - you are not going to convince most people he is so so terrific..Let's just say that he might be something more to crow about if certain teamattes cared a hoot to be more well rounded players.

Remind me why it's a big deal Leafs haven't won a series? Are we judging players by playoff wins by ages 21 and 22 now? Majority of teams have no cap. Leafs look like they have a great core and all locked-up and still a young team. Oh my god no series wins for Matthews trade the bum!
- RogerRoeper

Ok, here's a reminder for you --> Good teams win playoff series.

J.Toews in his 2nd year was in the Conference finals. 3rd year was hoisting the cup. Matthews and company have had 4 pro years with 3 straight 1st round playoff flops. Great individual players, but not yet close to be considered a great team, even in a single NHL season.

Toronto and your vaunted team last 3 years... 0/3 in playoff series (including choking up a 3-2 series lead and a upcoming home game). Yes, these are the current facts relating to the team you describe. Can you Roger that??

I actually like the team, in terms of watching. However, their fans are more unbearable than most other pro sports teams though.

Poor Roger, he's forced to be quarantined and has nothing to do except feed the illusion this is the greatest team assembled.

I am not sure about that. Hockey reference shows Keith was a plus 30 in 2007/08 when he was 24 years old. 5th highest in the league. (on a so-so team). All Star in 2008. He was even better the following year.
- -Doh-

Facts? What are those!

Keith is probably better than Reilly right now too.

Regarding the redraft of 2008 from yesterday. I would honestly take Pietrangelo over Karlsson without hesitation.

Facts? What are those!

Keith is probably better than Reilly right now too.

Regarding the redraft of 2008 from yesterday. I would honestly take Pietrangelo over Karlsson without hesitation.
- bhawks2241

Me too.

Some would be close calls but I would put the top-5 in this order:
1. Doughty
2. Josi
3. Pietrangelo
4. Karlsson
5. Carlson

Those 5 are a notch or two better than the other "pretty good" d-men from 2008.

It's telling you are only using 1 single outdated stat to prove your point.
- RogerRoeper

I am sorry I did not choose your one stat of points.

I guess being an All Star does not mean anything. Other Dmen on the West that year Pronger, Niedermayer, Lidstrom. Not bad company to keep.

Ok, here's a reminder for you --> Good teams win playoff series.

J.Toews in his 2nd year was in the Conference finals. 3rd year was hoisting the cup. Matthews and company have had 4 pro years with 3 straight 1st round playoff flops. Great individual players, but not yet close to be considered a great team, even in a single NHL season.

Toronto and your vaunted team last 3 years... 0/3 in playoff series (including choking up a 3-2 series lead and a upcoming home game). Yes, these are the current facts relating to the team you describe. Can you Roger that??

I actually like the team, in terms of watching. However, their fans are more unbearable than most other pro sports teams though.

Poor Roger, he's forced to be quarantined and has nothing to do except feed the illusion this is the greatest team assembled.
- DontKnowNutin

I would just like to remind you - and it is sort of funny given your choice of avatar - that one member of their Achilles Heel - cmon'' it isn't Anderson - it is their blueline corps and lets emphasize this group collectively - has a former failed Blackhawk (gasp).

Yes Justin Holl managed to stick around Maple Leafs Garden for much of the season

Know however that his "time" may be threatened by the advancement of two rookie dmen and OF COURSE a certain #1 dman could take some of his TOI.

Just thought I would give you a "Holl - er" out.

Well at the end of 2015, the Hawks were ravaged by injuires on their D- Corp, and basically played the end of the season and whole playoffs with 4 defenseman, until this happened

https://www.bing.com/vide...A96B9B3B24C5646&FORM=VIRE

Now do save %! and games started. There's a reason you left it out.

And sorry, what does Panarin prove? Are you saying the Hawks lost because of him? It was a BRUTAL trade to move him.
- RogerRoeper

Dude, you are just making my argument easier. His save percentage (outside of this year at .909) has hovered right at 0.920 (0.917-0.923) for his career. He's the same guy. The big difference between his time in ANA and TOR is the volume of rubber directed at his head.

ANA (GP: 28, 54, 43)
SA/gm: 27.9, 26.6, 25.3

TOR (GP: 66, 66, 60, 52)
SA/gm: 31.1, 33.5, 32.6, 30.3

They... are... a... poorer... defensive... team.

The point I was making about when Panarin was on the team (not Panarin himself) is that when he was on the team, the Hawks played a more wide open and offensive game. The end results were worse though.

The overall point of the my entire post: it is just as important to keep pucks out of your net as it is to score your own. Changing your goalie might help a little. Changing the play in your own end will help much more.

Well at the end of 2015, the Hawks were ravaged by injuires on their D- Corp, and basically played the end of the season and whole playoffs with 4 defenseman, until this happened

https://www.bing.com/vide...A96B9B3B24C5646&FORM=VIRE
- LAHawk

Seems like so long ago now.

Watching this, 2010, 2013.

Makes me feel older than I am

Well at the end of 2015, the Hawks were ravaged by injuires on their D- Corp, and basically played the end of the season and whole playoffs with 4 defenseman, until this happened

https://www.bing.com/vide...A96B9B3B24C5646&FORM=VIRE
- LAHawk

Dynasty!

Funny on 1st shot, his classic 'hit the shin pads low' shot... but hockey smarts to followup and chip it over.

And how about the 3 passes immediately prior to that, bing, bing, bing. Don't see that on many teams these days - they were so in sync with each other, even knowing where they'd be.

I just find it funny no one wants to discuss goaltenmding.

The #'s don't lie, 6th best record after Keefe joined with 30th save %./
- RogerRoeper

Chicago won a Stanley cup with Cristobal Huet and Antti Niemi. relying on a goalie and not a strong defensive system is a sure way of ensuring you get knocked of the playoffs early each year .... Oh wait!

Thanks for the shoutout, Theo, dealing with NCAA players who graduated. I do wish Zach Hyman was a hawk. If D.C. isn't coming back, I'd like to add him.
- I Am The Breadman

Agree, Breadman. Hyman isn't an elite player but he is a great complement to top 6 players who can create space, score goals, and play with an edge.

I know there have been rumors that the Leafs have been shopping Johnsson, Kapanen, and Kerfoot but perhaps Hyman could also be dangled.

Me too.

Some would be close calls but I would put the top-5 in this order:
1. Doughty
2. Josi
3. Pietrangelo
4. Karlsson
5. Carlson

Those 5 are a notch or two better than the other "pretty good" d-men from 2008.
- EbonyRaptor

I like that draft order of 2008 defensemen picks. It's really close between Josi and Pietrangelo but definitely Doughty at #1 and Karlsson/Carlson at #4/#5.

I like that draft order of 2008 defensemen picks. It's really close between Josi and Pietrangelo but definitely Doughty at #1 and Karlsson/Carlson at #4/#5.
- AEL_Fox

I don't think Pietrangelo gets the love he should (even though he plays for the Blues).

His offensive output has been really good the last several years and his is a stud in his own end. Real leader for the Blues now too. Seabrook like in that regard.

I believe his contract is up after this year? Be interesting to see what he gets offered.

There's a report out that Northeastern U senior defenseman Ryan Shea will not sign with the Hawks and will test free agency.

https://www.prohockeyrumors.com/
- boilermaker100

Confirmed now that Shea has elected to test free agency instead of sign with the Hawks.

With Shea no longer an option to join the Hogs, I wonder if the organization will opt to re-sign Tuulola or McCoshen who are pending RFAs.

Just no to Brennan (pending UFA).

Or maybe the Hawks could get Galvas to end his current contract in the Finnish pro league (one more season on a 2-year deal) and start his pro development in North America. IMO, he has the most upside of everyone listed here.

It was a tie between Ethan Moreau and Kyle Calder.
- DarthKane

Kyle Calder turned out to be a very good player for us I remember being surprised how effective he became. He was one of the best at battles along the boards and coming out with the puck. I actually bought a pair of his used skates for $100 from Hawkquarters because they fit me which was pretty sweet

Kyle Calder turned out to be a very good player for us I remember being surprised how effective he became. He was one of the best at battles along the boards and coming out with the puck. I actually bought a pair of his used skates for $100 from Hawkquarters because they fit me which was pretty sweet
- just69sayin

So that settles it, Kyle Calder was the best Hawk player to wear #19!

Confirmed now that Shea has elected to test free agency instead of sign with the Hawks.

With Shea no longer an option to join the Hogs, I wonder if the organization will opt to re-sign Tuulola or McCoshen who are pending RFAs.

Just no to Brennan (pending UFA).

Or maybe the Hawks could get Galvas to end his current contract in the Finnish pro league (one more season on a 2-year deal) and start his pro development in North America. IMO, he has the most upside of everyone listed here.
- AEL_Fox

I think he realized there are too many better prospects ahead of him. He'd have a hard time earning NHL time given the other Hawks prospects.

I think he realized there are too many better prospects ahead of him. He'd have a hard time earning NHL time given the other Hawks prospects.
- bhawks2241

Along those same lines, if we see the Hawks target more EU free agents, I would assume those would be in the forward or goalie ranks.