Montour and Skinner trades were disasters. We should be in line for a top 2 pick this year and would have 1st and 2nd round pick Prospects in cupboards along with a forward prospect we could of trended Guhle for if Botts didn’t try to rush things. Along with tons more cap space
- Fattony1187

Are you talking about the legendary Pu...?

Montour and Skinner trades were disasters. We should be in line for a top 2 pick this year and would have 1st and 2nd round pick Prospects in cupboards along with a forward prospect we could of trended Guhle for if Botts didn’t try to rush things. Along with tons more cap space
- Fattony1187

Skinner trade was great, it’s the contract Botts franked up.

I need to see more from Montour before I right that trade off. Guhle started to pick up steam near the end of this year but he’s still a fringe prospect until proven otherwise. The pick given up was a late first rounder with low probability of success. Brayden Tracey took a step back this year as well in the WHL so he’s looking at best like a 3rd line winger if he makes the NHL at all.

Link?
I don’t think that’s true
- jdfitz77

he said it in many interviews before the draft and was playing #1 rd at the time overseas

Montour and Skinner trades were disasters.
- Fattony1187

skinner trade IMO was a steal

our dumb coach and dumb gm refuse to put him in the spot where he scored 20 freaking goals last season


we finally have a 40 goal scorer again after 11 seasons, and sign him to a long term deal

and bury him down the f@cking lineup

only in buffalo is something that dumb happening

Are you talking about the legendary Pu...?
- kingcong39

No. I’m talking about the forward prospect we could of traded Guhle for as mentioned in my post

Skinner trade was great, it’s the contract Botts franked up.

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- Pegullaville

if they flipped olofsson to rw, and left johansson on the second team pp and kept skinner on the top pp


he would be on par for his production


skinner is and always has been a goal scorer, never a set up man


why this so called great hockey mind Ralph, goes against a 661 game body of work before he took over, I will never understand



it's literally like playing mogilny in his prime with bob corkum instead of lafontaine

skinner trade IMO was a steal

our dumb coach and dumb gm refuse to put him in the spot where he scored 20 freaking goals last season


we finally have a 40 goal scorer again after 11 seasons, and sign him to a long term deal

and bury him down the f@cking lineup

only in buffalo is something that dumb happening
- homiedclown

Rather have the cap space, higher draft pick this year and the draft picks we gave away.

if they flipped olofsson to rw, and left johansson on the second team pp and kept skinner on the top pp


he would be on par for his production


skinner is and always has been a goal scorer, never a set up man


why this so called great hockey mind Ralph, goes against a 661 game body of work before he took over, I will never understand



it's literally like playing mogilny in his prime with bob corkum instead of lafontaine
- homiedclown

Reinhart would of scored 35 points in the scenario I bet on second line. He should be a trade candidate too.

Rather have the cap space, higher draft pick this year and the draft picks we gave away.
- Fattony1187

Disagree.
Skinner was utilized incredibly poorly, his contribution might, might be 4 or 5 points without looking it up. Not much a difference, maybe 1 draft slot higher.
The prospect selected, you hope equals Skinner's production when utilized properly...30sh goals, 50-60 pts, however the picks given away; 2nd in 2019, 3rd and 6th in 2020 will likely amount to nothing.

Believe what you will, but IMO you are reaching here.

Disagree.
Skinner was utilized incredibly poorly, his contribution might, might be 4 or 5 points without looking it up. Not much a difference, maybe 1 draft slot higher.
The prospect selected, you hope equals Skinner's production when utilized properly...30sh goals, 50-60 pts, however the picks given away; 2nd in 2019, 3rd and 6th in 2020 will likely amount to nothing.

Believe what you will, but IMO you are reaching here.
- IonSabres

trade skinner and reinhart

I mean we have so many point scorers on this team

we can afford to let them go and build the prospect pool with more pu, bailey and fascing prospects

Rather have the cap space, higher draft pick this year and the draft picks we gave away.
- Fattony1187

So what you're saying is, now that you know the team was not good the past 2 years, you would rather have tanked the past 2 years?

Reinhart would of scored 35 points in the scenario I bet on second line. He should be a trade candidate too.
- Fattony1187

Oopppps, flagged by mistake, sorry for that.

I would seek a trade involving Reinhart for a solid 2C, because they need that much, much more and I doubt Risto nor Mongour are good enough to be the biggest piece in a trade package...not because I think Reino is a poor performer.

That trade creates a hole however, hopefully Risto or Montour could be used to acquire a suitable replacement there...or the Sabres draft Holtz.

So what you're saying is, now that you know the team was not good the past 2 years, you would rather have tanked the past 2 years?
- kingcong39

if you trade skinner and reinhart, it's full rebuild mode and your building around joker, dahlin, 6K and cozens

trade skinner and reinhart

I mean we have so many point scorers on this team

we can afford to let them go and build the prospect pool with more pu, bailey and fascing prospects
- homiedclown

You're likely to hate my post above re Reino...but I think it is justified.

So what you're saying is, now that you know the team was not good the past 2 years, you would rather have tanked the past 2 years?
- kingcong39

I wanted skinner gone last year so didn’t need to wait two years. Already knew what the result was gonna be.

trade skinner and reinhart

I mean we have so many point scorers on this team

we can afford to let them go and build the prospect pool with more pu, bailey and fascing prospects
- homiedclown

Two years of skinner and we have been a bottom feeder. Cap space is valuable. I don’t see him scoring 40 again and now Reinhart will want a raise.

I guess we can wait for our draft picks to become productive when we are up at the cap and skinner and Reinhart are still a part of a bottom feeder team.

So what you're saying is, now that you know the team was not good the past 2 years, you would rather have tanked the past 2 years?
- kingcong39

Well 20/20 hindsight and all.

I'm a bit dumbfounded that a fair number of posters continue to believe a few tweaks and the team suddenly
Becomes hard to play against
Develops a winners heart
Hardens their fragile mindset

I think the intangibles are severely lacking...apparently management thought so as well by bringing in Frolik and Simmonds.

You're likely to hate my post above re Reino...but I think it is justified.
- IonSabres

if moving skinner and reinhart


trade eichel as well because you have zero chance to compete for the next 2 seasons

if you trade skinner and reinhart, it's full rebuild mode and your building around joker, dahlin, 6K and cozens
- homiedclown

Yup!
Now we are talking sensible.

You're likely to hate my post above re Reino...but I think it is justified.
- IonSabres

if your moving reinhart for a #2 center


you need to fire your f@cking gm for trading ror, drafting casey and cozens

I think the intangibles are severely lacking...apparently management thought so as well by bringing in Frolik and Simmonds.
- IonSabres

which did not work of course

he really should have just dumped every rental he could have and turned the page


including vesey

I do like kahun, pens gave him up for 8 games of sheary and 7 games of e rod

if your moving reinhart for a #2 center


you need to fire your f@cking gm for trading ror, drafting casey and cozens
- homiedclown

Botts should of been fired already. No direction, bad trades (some good), bad cap management and now we are waiting for a draft pick who might be good in 2-3 years to save this team now.

So what you're saying is, now that you know the team was not good the past 2 years, you would rather have tanked the past 2 years?
- kingcong39

I can’t speak for him, but I was fully on board with bottoming out for Cozens.

I expected this team to pick in the 10-15 range this year and am not complaining at all that we are picking top 10 this year either.

Some people will say we are “wasting” seasons I like to refer to it as building a Cup Contender.

if you trade skinner and reinhart, it's full rebuild mode and your building around joker, dahlin, 6K and cozens
- homiedclown

I would think a rebuild is trading everyone. Skinner is unreadable unless we add so he’s stuck here. Reinhart we could and should trade. This team needs a major re tooling

if moving skinner and reinhart


trade eichel as well because you have zero chance to compete for the next 2 seasons
- homiedclown

I think just the opposite. Tweaking this roster is fools play.
Sam is a complimentary player, a good one but not core.
You are right with Jack, Dahlin, Joker are deserving to be called core.
Keep that very youthful core and surround it with proper roster construction.
Cozens is either RW or C, and looks like another core piece...at least we hope so.
Get a playmaking 2C now for Skinner or Olofsson .
That is well on the way to righting the ship.
And not only can be, but must be done.
Fill around the edges with smart trades and UFA signings...especially now that it looks like the UFA market will take a hit given a flat Cap