Volpatti was lost to waivers, they didn't even get a 7th rounder for him


Have a look at Detroit's roster for next year. They don't have any NHL quality D men or goalies. Biega is in their top 2
- 1970vintage

Hello Pietrangelo

I was using that name as an example I didn't care to google for something so irrelevant in Canucks history

Lesson learnt
- VANTEL

I'm thinking Del Zotto, he got us a 7th (though didn't they give up a 6th in that trade too?)

I was using that name as an example I didn't care to google for something so irrelevant in Canucks history

Lesson learnt
- VANTEL

It was a touchy subject in here. Not quite, but almost CoRrado level outrage.

It was a touchy subject in here. Not quite, but almost CoRrado level outrage.
- 1970vintage

Being here for years we all know it doesn't take much to fire up the troops in here, I include myself in the above mentioned

Who else had Peters going to the K? They wont let a little thing like racism get in the way of hiring

Who else had Peters going to the K? They wont let a little thing like racism get in the way of hiring
- neem55

sorry, ex Flames coach, to KHL?


hate to say it, but racism is alive and well in Russia. My wife's family is there and I hear about it all too often.

When your top players say no thank you they don't want to be traded it sort of does tie your hands. Aaron Volpatti's are easy to trade for seventh rounders but it reaaly doesn't put you further ahead.
- VANTEL

but there were several that were persuaded/agreed to move. wasn't his first trade garrison who absolutely did not want to move?

it seems that the ntc's weren't as onerous as some would believe.

he hasn't shown a real willingness to get rid of the vets even on expiring deals (tanev etc.)

but there were several that were persuaded/agreed to move. wasn't his first trade garrison who absolutely did not want to move?

it seems that the ntc's weren't as onerous as some would believe.

he hasn't shown a real willingness to get rid of the vets even on expiring deals (tanev etc.)
- RealityChecker

Both Garrison and Bieksa did not want to move, but did. Now, Bieksa is back in the fold, media wise. Molhotra (a Gillis thing) wasn't happy about his status with the team but is now an employee.

Benning has to think further ahead than just next year. Let's say the cap stays the same. They can still sign Tanev, Markstrom and Toffoli, and fill in the last couple gaps with ELC players. No problem. But next year, you have to sign Hughes and Pettersson, and the space being made by Sutter, Baertschi and Pearson's contracts won't be enough.
- 1970vintage

That is definitely where LE and Beagle hurt us. EP wasn't even a thing when we signed LE and we had nobody in the system that would need a massive contract during his tenure. His last year we can probably dump him for a 3rd or 2nd to a cap floor team that likes the idea of paying 1m for 6m of space(Melnyk comes to mind). Beagle can be bought out in his last year as well. I think we are good for re-signing those two. It is Markstrom/Tanev/Toffoli that need to be figured out.
Vantel is right about Tanev, is he worth the cap hit for 50 games?

Both Garrison and Bieksa did not want to move, but did. Now, Bieksa is back in the fold, media wise. Molhotra (a Gillis thing) wasn't happy about his status with the team but is now an employee.
- 1970vintage

and all the NTCs/NMCs were at the behest of aqullini. the bad drafting by mg was a result of picking in the bottom half of the draft due to fielding a competitive team.

it's never anybody's fault except for aquillini, bettman and the media!

but there were several that were persuaded/agreed to move. wasn't his first trade garrison who absolutely did not want to move?

it seems that the ntc's weren't as onerous as some would believe.

he hasn't shown a real willingness to get rid of the vets even on expiring deals (tanev etc.)
- RealityChecker

They did trade Garrison for a second round pick and he did not really want to go . He said they are a good team and no taxes and he did accept.

Kesler gave a one team option and I can't remember but Bieksa had stipulations also.

I think the grace period for NTC NMC excuse has now run out but no doubt they were a factor of the first four years.

and all the NTCs/NMCs were at the behest of aqullini. the bad drafting by mg was a result of picking in the bottom half of the draft due to fielding a competitive team.

it's never anybody's fault except for aquillini, bettman and the media!
- RealityChecker

I don't know, I think MG has said that if there was one thing he would have done differently it was to put more resources into the amateur scouting department. Sure, he had late selections per round, and fewer selections because of trading picks for players, but he also had dreadful results. Other teams were finding players in rounds 2, 3, 4 etc. Surely MG (scouts) could have identified someone who eventually suited up for a few hundred games.

They did trade Garrison for a second round pick and he did not really want to go . He said they are a good team and no taxes and he did accept.

Kesler gave a one team option and I can't remember but Bieksa had stipulations also.

I think the grace period for NTC NMC excuse has now run out but no doubt they were a factor of the first four years.
- VANTEL

i'll accept that they were a factor and made things harder for him but you also have to recognize that trading vets (with or without the clauses) hasn't been something that he's pursued forcefully.

I don't know, I think MG has said that if there was one thing he would have done differently it was to put more resources into the amateur scouting department. Sure, he had late selections per round, and fewer selections because of trading picks for players, but he also had dreadful results. Other teams were finding players in rounds 2, 3, 4 etc. Surely MG (scouts) could have identified someone who eventually suited up for a few hundred games.
- 1970vintage

i was being sarcastic.

his drafting was absolutely horrendous. aside from bo, it was horrible!!

his cap management was good for the short term but he did nothing to balance it with a long term approach.

my point is that any gm's moves can be justified or excused by providing context. it's just that some gm's get the benefit of the doubt but others don't. bad moves are bad moves and should be regarded as such. benning's bad cap management should be called out as such. it's bad management regardless of how he got there. (and i'm not criticizing you per se.)

i'll accept that they were a factor and made things harder for him but you also have to recognize that trading vets (with or without the clauses) hasn't been something that he's pursued forcefully.
- RealityChecker

I understand why people don't like Benning.

I see improvement in the last two years. I like Chris Gear , I like Utica , I like our prospects not playing in the AHL.

I like the NCAA pickups

I like the Leivo Toffoli and Miller (now ) trades.

I am enjoying the hockey .

I like a lot of things happening but as I said I do understand people being pissed.

I understand why people don't like Benning.

I see improvement in the last two years. I like Chris Gear , I like Utica , I like our prospects not playing in the AHL.

I like the NCAA pickups

I like the Leivo Toffoli and Miller (now ) trades.

I am enjoying the hockey .

I like a lot of things happening but as I said I do understand people being pissed.
- VANTEL

it's not about liking or disliking benning. it's not about his past mistakes.

i want him fired because i don't believe he has the ability to take the team to the real contender level. based on his moves of the last 6 years, i think he'll continue to make the same mistakes (mainly overpaying mediocre players and thus screwing up the cap.)

i can see why some people would focus on the positives. but i think that when you're at the bottom, mistakes can be overcome. when you're trying to get to the cup, every small mistake gets amplified. benning's mistakes will compound and keep them a bubble/first round team.

it's not about liking or disliking benning. it's not about his past mistakes.

i want him fired because i don't believe he has the ability to take the team to the real contender level. based on his moves of the last 6 years, i think he'll continue to make the same mistakes (mainly overpaying mediocre players and thus screwing up the cap.)

i can see why some people would focus on the positives. but i think that when you're at the bottom, mistakes can be overcome. when you're trying to get to the cup, every small mistake gets amplified. benning's mistakes will compound and keep them a bubble/first round team.
- RealityChecker

I am not convinced he is the guy either but as I said I seen growth in the last two years. I don't want to pull a guy when he is improving. I want to wait until he flattens and don't wait long when he does.

I am not convinced he is the guy either but as I said I seen growth in the last two years. I don't want to pull a guy when he is improving. I want to wait until he flattens and don't wait long when he does.
- VANTEL

if you wait, you'll allow him to screw the cap for the next few years.

that will effectively close the contender window (if you believe they can get there with this core.)

Which wouldn't be necessary if the cap was managed properly.
- Marwood

It was a touchy subject in here. Not quite, but almost CoRrado level outrage.
- 1970vintage

lol Corrado the former Leaf and still to be future Olympian?

if you wait, you'll allow him to screw the cap for the next few years.

that will effectively close the contender window (if you believe they can get there with this core.)
- RealityChecker

Chris Gear has been handling negotiations for contracts and I have to say every signing in the last two years has been less than what I expected to pay.

I do believe they can get there with this core. As I have said a few times on here I expect a trade coming before next year for a Dman.

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Chris Gear has been handling negotiations for contracts and I have to say every signing in the last two years has been less than what I expected to pay.

I do believe they can get there with this core. As I have said a few times on here I expect a trade coming before next year for a Dman.
- VANTEL

i'm glad benning has been relieved of that responsibility.

however, signing the wrong players for even decent contracts (meyers) are still mistakes that end up hurting the cap long term.

and all the NTCs/NMCs were at the behest of aqullini. the bad drafting by mg was a result of picking in the bottom half of the draft due to fielding a competitive team.

it's never anybody's fault except for aquillini, bettman and the media!
- RealityChecker

The man has no foresight, he's continually grasping at straws trying to be competitive. When he finally gets competitive he's backed himself into a corner with his poor spending.

But hey...his drafting has been excellent
- LeftCoaster

Don’t you ever grow weary of restating the same crap over and over? I know I am certainly tired of reading it.

It is similar to watching people continuously supporting Trump and tell us over and over and over and over what a great leader he is.

You are the Fox News reporter of Hockeybuzz.