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DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Apr 17 @ 10:26 PM ET
Bruins scoring 23 goals is a result, not a reason.

We could want the Canucks to be tougher, but they were already beaten up and severely injured before they even got to the final so it's not practical to expect them to go toe to toe with a bigger, tougher team. The only viable strategy was to beat them on the power play. But they didn't get the number of power plays they should have and certainly didn't capitalize on them when they did.

Luongo stunk. If you have to pick a single goat for the Canucks I'd say it's him more so than Aaron Rome.

It's easy to say in hindsight that the Bruins were better able to play the 'playoff style', but this was the no-obstruction era. There wasn't supposed to be two completely different sets of rules. Sure we expect it now after the Bruins were allowed to set the precedent, but at the time it was ..." WTF ?!?!?!?!?".

- YeOldTimer


It was obvious after Game 7 of the ECF where suddenly TB were not given a single PP against the Bruins that the NHL wanted Boston to win, had TB won we probably might have won the Cup that year.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 17 @ 10:30 PM ET
It was obvious after Game 7 of the ECF where suddenly TB were not given a single PP against the Bruins that the NHL wanted Boston to win, had TB won we probably might have won the Cup that year.
- DariusKnight



That would be illegal
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Apr 17 @ 10:54 PM ET
It was obvious after Game 7 of the ECF where suddenly TB were not given a single PP against the Bruins that the NHL wanted Boston to win, had TB won we probably might have won the Cup that year.
- DariusKnight

I love the conspiracy theories that end up with some multi million dollar franchise owner gets cheated out of his team winning because some greater power wants a certain outcome.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Apr 17 @ 11:00 PM ET
I love the conspiracy theories that end up with some multi million dollar franchise owner gets cheated out of his team winning because some greater power wants a certain outcome.
- neem55


One name... Tim Donahee... it happens, especially when money is at stake.
CubanBuffet
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Whine Country
Joined: 08.29.2014

Apr 17 @ 11:00 PM ET
I love the conspiracy theories that end up with some multi million dollar franchise owner gets cheated out of his team winning because some greater power wants a certain outcome.
- neem55


God damn it. You’re not wrong.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Linden4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Apr 17 @ 11:12 PM ET
I love the conspiracy theories that end up with some multi million dollar franchise owner gets cheated out of his team winning because some greater power wants a certain outcome.
- neem55

it’s total BS, they just lost lol.
YeOldTimer
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Apr 17 @ 11:16 PM ET
I love the conspiracy theories that end up with some multi million dollar franchise owner gets cheated out of his team winning because some greater power wants a certain outcome.
- neem55


It has nothing to do with the one single owner (unless it's Jeremy Jacobs) and everything to do with the size of the US TV market. The TV ratings are what drives the franchise values up, so all the owners benefit.

And it's not a conspiracy theory when everyone can plainly see the games being 'managed' by the officials over and over and over and over......

NuckUp
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cap Busters
Joined: 07.01.2019

Apr 17 @ 11:16 PM ET
Canuck fans following SCF runs are no fairy tale ending but we had our moments.

The '82 upstarts we were ecstatic far how far they went it was inspiring.

In '94 we were won over by the tenacity and come backs. We became believers to the last seconds of game 7 where the dream died.

By 2011 we knew this was the best chance and deserved it this time. But then things just kept going wrong. It was one cruel set back that had no answer after another. The slow torture of not achieving what was seemingly destined left us as beaten and broken as the team that failed us.
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Linden4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Apr 17 @ 11:20 PM ET
It has nothing to do with the one single owner (unless it's Jeremy Jacobs) and everything to do with the size of the US TV market. The TV ratings are what drives the franchise values up, so all the owners benefit.

And it's not a conspiracy theory when everyone can plainly see the games being 'managed' by the officials over and over and over and over......

- YeOldTimer

Every year the refs put away the whistles as the playoffs get longer, it wasn’t unique to 2011. Why you need character players who are physical, not tough fighters but physical guys.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Apr 17 @ 11:22 PM ET
Every year the refs put away the whistles as the playoffs get longer, it wasn’t unique to 2011.
- Pacificgem



It is in here
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Apr 17 @ 11:26 PM ET
TBH, I get a little cranky when people disparage that team. They were so good

Franchise-record 50 wins
Scored the most goals in franchise history
Allowed the fewest goals in franchise history
Lead the league in goal differential by more than 20
League’s best offense
League’s best defense
League’s best power play
Presidents’ Trophy
Art Ross
Lindsay
Selke
GM of the Year
Franchise-best 15 playoff wins

and yet couldn't get it done in the playoffs. (frank).

- bloatedmosquito

Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Linden4Ever, BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Apr 17 @ 11:27 PM ET
It is in here
- VANTEL

#conspiracytheories
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Apr 17 @ 11:27 PM ET
That put away the whistles is BS, there's no way you can tell me after all the PP time the Canucks got in the SJ series that Bettman/Campbell didn't look at that and look at how Boston wasn't a very good PK team at that point (which is why it took them 7 games to take care of TB) and not say, "Ok, we need to not give the Canucks that many chances."

Saying that, yes, absolutely after Game 3, adjustments should have been made and the team should have took it to Boston in Game 4, even had they still lost it might have been enough to get the team to push through their injuries and still win. That Game 4 stinker was the straw that broke the camel's back. Sure Aaron Rome's suspension didn't help but they still could have won with a hard fought Game 4.

- DariusKnight

golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 17 @ 11:28 PM ET
So excited to get laid off I booked 24 hours and a personal day!

I get to do more poop around the house and watch the NFL draft without worrying about the phone ringing.

LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Apr 17 @ 11:29 PM ET
In ‘94 you believed they could come back from anything, and they nearly did. In ‘11 you held your breath expecting them to crumble (which the nearly did in each round), and ultimately did. Still, as Leftgemdestroyer said, ‘11 the more talented team.
- 1970vintage

It truly looked like they were a team of destiny that year. I love how Pat Quinn was fined for calling out the refs in game 7...good on him.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Apr 17 @ 11:31 PM ET
It has nothing to do with the one single owner (unless it's Jeremy Jacobs) and everything to do with the size of the US TV market. The TV ratings are what drives the franchise values up, so all the owners benefit.

And it's not a conspiracy theory when everyone can plainly see the games being 'managed' by the officials over and over and over and over......

- YeOldTimer


It has everything to do with several billionaires having the same vested interest: their team winning. It’s all just business and profit, so who benefits? Complete bullpoop conspiracy theory
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Apr 17 @ 11:35 PM ET
Just opened a ‘15 Mission Hill “Vista’s Edge” Cab Franc - part of their terroir series - above the reserve wines, single vineyard source, but not to the Oculus etc standard. High $20’s restaurant cost, maybe low $30’s. Very good, still way too young, thankfully I have one more.
- 1970vintage

Nice.

Just tried a bottle of Solanera Vinas Viejas 2016 from Spain...actually quite good. Aged blend of Monastrell (65%) Cab Sav (20%) and Garnacha Tintorera (15%) It's a lighter red but very good. Reminds me of a French wine or two.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Apr 17 @ 11:38 PM ET
Sure but I wonder how much of hindsight is giving you that perspective.

The city was jacked because everyone knew this was theirs to lose and after Chi they looked unstoppable. You and Marwood must have been the only two in the entire province who thought they would choke in the finals. I think that’s one of the reasons for the riots. The shock of it was too much to comprehend for most fans.

- bloatedmosquito

I remember going to my Cousin's Hobey Baker Dinner (played with Toews in ND) and he said Luongo was a choker and would never win a championship. I thought he was full of poop lol...
YeOldTimer
Vancouver Canucks
Location: BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Apr 17 @ 11:40 PM ET
Every year the refs put away the whistles as the playoffs get longer, it wasn’t unique to 2011. Why you need character players who are physical, not tough fighters but physical guys.
- Pacificgem


2011 was the single most dramatic shift away from the obstruction rules that were established in 2005/06. It's remained that way since but the discrepancy between regular season and post-season wasn't as big prior.

We've definitely learned the hard way that you need the physical guys and I am somewhat concerned that the Canucks are once again building their team around two highly skilled but undersized superstars.

Benning does appear to be stiffening up the remainder of the lineup with guys like Miller, Pearson, Toffoli, etc. But it will be very interesting to see if Petterson, Hughes and Boeser are made irrelevant once the rules change. Main reason making the playoffs this year was so important.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Apr 17 @ 11:40 PM ET
Bruins scoring 23 goals is a result, not a reason.

We could want the Canucks to be tougher, but they were already beaten up and severely injured before they even got to the final so it's not practical to expect them to go toe to toe with a bigger, tougher team. The only viable strategy was to beat them on the power play. But they didn't get the number of power plays they should have and certainly didn't capitalize on them when they did.

Luongo stunk. If you have to pick a single goat for the Canucks I'd say it's him more so than Aaron Rome.

It's easy to say in hindsight that the Bruins were better able to play the 'playoff style', but this was the no-obstruction era. There wasn't supposed to be two completely different sets of rules. Sure we expect it now after the Bruins were allowed to set the precedent, but at the time it was ..." WTF ?!?!?!?!?".

- YeOldTimer

True.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Apr 17 @ 11:42 PM ET
It was obvious after Game 7 of the ECF where suddenly TB were not given a single PP against the Bruins that the NHL wanted Boston to win, had TB won we probably might have won the Cup that year.
- DariusKnight

Also True.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Apr 17 @ 11:43 PM ET
I love the conspiracy theories that end up with some multi million dollar franchise owner gets cheated out of his team winning because some greater power wants a certain outcome.
- neem55

If you can't understand that Bettman has influence one way or the other you'd better find a new sport champ.

Don't be so bloody naive Neemer!!
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 17 @ 11:44 PM ET
I think it's more appropriate to classify them as reasons they lost, rather than excuses. There were quite a number of factors that prevented them from winning, even though they were the better team.

- The Canucks were unable to overcome serious injuries to many key players. Hamhuis was out, Samuelsson was out, Malhotra was out, Kesler had a torn groin and torn hip labrum, one of the Sedins (Henrik?)was playing with a broken finger, the other had a rib injury or something, Burrows was playing with a shoulder injury, Erhoff had a shoulder injury that required post-season surgery, Higgins had a broken foot, Mason Raymond had a vertebrae compression fracture in the first period of game 6, Edler broke two fingers in game 6 but played in game 7, Alberts and Salo were also playing hurt, etc. etc.

- With the exception of Nathan Horton, the Bruins had no major injuries

- A team that was built to win in the no-obstruction era and completely dominated all season, struggled to adapt when obstruction was no longer called. There was no reason to expect the rules would be changed so dramatically for the final.

- The Canucks best depth defenceman was removed from the series due to a highly questionable suspension.

- Boychuk didn't even get a 2 minute minor when he drove Mason Raymond (who did not have the puck) 15 feet into the boards and fractured his spine

- Thomas did a good job of stopping the first shot from outside and had full confidence the Canucks would never get to any rebounds.

- Luongo kept giving the Bruins momentum by letting in soft goals. He was one of their star players yet failed to make any difference in the series.

- YeOldTimer

This is the most ridiculous thing i've ever read here, well OK "perhaps" the most ridiculous hockey related post. OK, not counting NFU.

Luongo allowed 2 goals in the 3 wins, including 2 30+ save shutouts. The Canucks scored 8 goals in 7 games, find another scapegoat or at the very least give him credit for the 3 wins we did get.

A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Apr 17 @ 11:50 PM ET
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 17 @ 11:51 PM ET
I remember going to my Cousin's Hobey Baker Dinner (played with Toews in ND) and he said Luongo was a choker and would never win a championship. I thought he was full of poop lol...
- LordHumungous

He won a gold medal, absolutely robbed Demitra to preserve a win in the semis.
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