It is kind of ironic how guys on here can simultaneously make fun of rebuilds in toronto and Edmonton, while at the same time have contempt for JBs rebuild. It’s litterally taken a fraction of the time, yet he's a baffoon cause some of his moves flopped. The guy isn’t without his mistakes, but the results kind of speak for themselves don’t they?
- neem55

Not making the playoffs but spending to the cap ceiling.

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Not making the playoffs but spending to the cap ceiling.
- Marwood

You would still find something to bltch about

It feels like they made a very detailed plan but forgot to put the page numbers at the top. Then when Jim was on his way into the office he stopped for a hair cut and polish and accidentally dropped all his pages on the floor. The barber picked them up for him and handed them back in whatever order the landed and Jim said “Yup, that looks about right”.
- 1970vintage

I’m in Makita’s corner...

Fine with JB & where the team is heading. Green though is on the hot seat. I’m not quite on the fire him bandwagon yet but I did say in preseason he is under the microscope. Easier to replace a coach to go forward imo. Firstly I prefer Baumer & NB gone to see what improves.

Not making the playoffs but spending to the cap ceiling.
- Marwood

They looked like a playoff team to me. Are you telling me you don’t think they could be better next year?

Not making the playoffs but spending to the cap ceiling.
- Marwood

I have no problems with this discussion.


Before a single game was played this year the general consensus was they would be a bubble team. They were there.

Forget about what you or I thought they might achieve but the overall thought is they would be a bubble team with this roster before a game was played.

I am willing to bet a 20.00 donation to the charity of your choice that next year they are a top 10 team and cap compliant.
- VANTEL

I 100% agree they will be cap compliant, it isn’t even an option not to be, so you can put that away, forever, you don’t ever need to mention it again, there isn’t anyone here that doesn’t believe it can’t not happen.

As for top 10, in the league? Without knowing what the roster will look like? That’s a ballsy wager. Personally, I think Jim will have a tough time icing a team next season that is as good as the one he had this season. But as more of the dead weight fades away things will quickly turn around. One more year of up and down and then they really start to take off.

They looked like a playoff team to me. Are you telling me you don’t think they could be better next year?
- neem55

They could be better next season.

I 100% agree they will be cap compliant, it isn’t even an option not to be, so you can put that away, forever, you don’t ever need to mention it again, there isn’t anyone here that doesn’t believe it can’t not happen.

As for top 10, in the league? Without knowing what the roster will look like? That’s a ballsy wager. Personally, I think Jim will have a tough time icing a team next season that is as good as the one he had this season. But as more of the dead weight fades away things will quickly turn around. One more year of up and down and then they really start to take off.
- 1970vintage

Agreed.

I 100% agree they will be cap compliant, it isn’t even an option not to be, so you can put that away, forever, you don’t ever need to mention it again, there isn’t anyone here that doesn’t believe it can’t not happen.

As for top 10, in the league? Without knowing what the roster will look like? That’s a ballsy wager. Personally, I think Jim will have a tough time icing a team next season that is as good as the one he had this season. But as more of the dead weight fades away things will quickly turn around. One more year of up and down and then they really start to take off.
- 1970vintage

If i may add to this SVP...

JB did take a rocky road along the way mistakes etc. I’d rather look at the present & try to foresee the future more. I do agree more dead weight will fall away as each year passes. That will define JB & if he remains that being winning & PO team annually.

I 100% agree they will be cap compliant, it isn’t even an option not to be, so you can put that away, forever, you don’t ever need to mention it again, there isn’t anyone here that doesn’t believe it can’t not happen.

As for top 10, in the league? Without knowing what the roster will look like? That’s a ballsy wager. Personally, I think Jim will have a tough time icing a team next season that is as good as the one he had this season. But as more of the dead weight fades away things will quickly turn around. One more year of up and down and then they really start to take off.
- 1970vintage

First point is I am never the one who originally brings the cap up as being and issue. So maybe you can point out to the ones bringing up the cap. I don't care that they overspent on a contract or two the team will continue to move ahead.

I know the bet is based on whether they make the top 10 or not. It is not ballsy at all . I trust the core of players that will be here to be good enough to reach the top 10 .

I think the team met expectations this year as a bubble team and their next step is top 10 ?

Did you want to make the 20 dollar wager? It is for a good cause.

It is kind of ironic how guys on here can simultaneously make fun of rebuilds in toronto and Edmonton, while at the same time have contempt for JBs rebuild. It’s litterally taken a fraction of the time, yet he's a baffoon cause some of his moves flopped. The guy isn’t without his mistakes, but the results kind of speak for themselves don’t they?
- neem55

You like Peter Sellers? I love his work. Inspector Clouseau was incredible. He always got results, but I don’t think there is anyone who ever worked with him (fictionally obviously) that would ever suggest he was a good detective.

I am not arguing with the results, there are some great young players in the organization, lots to look forward to. There could have potentially been several more. The team could have been positioned with the cap space to take advantage at a time when they are on the way up instead of in the position of having to give up picks or prospects, or take on even longer buy out penalties to get rid of guys that are being replaced by home grown talent.

First point is I am never the one who originally brings the cap up as being and issue. So maybe you can point out to the ones bringing up the cap. I don't care that they overspent on a contract or two the team will continue to move ahead.

I know the bet is based on whether they make the top 10 or not. It is not ballsy at all . I trust the core of players that will be here to be good enough to reach the top 10 .

I think the team met expectations this year as a bubble team and their next step is top 10 ?

Did you want to make the 20 dollar wager? It is for a good cause.
- VANTEL

Sure, that’s a significant jump in the standings that I don’t believe they can achieve. Too bad Minivan isn’t here to record it, we’ll just have to trust that we can remember...

You like Peter Sellers? I love his work. Inspector Clouseau was incredible. He always got results, but I don’t think there is anyone who ever worked with him (fictionally obviously) that would ever suggest he was a good detective.

I am not arguing with the results, there are some great young players in the organization, lots to look forward to. There could have potentially been several more. The team could have been positioned with the cap space to take advantage at a time when they are on the way up instead of in the position of having to give up picks or prospects, or take on even longer buy out penalties to get rid of guys that are being replaced by home grown talent.
- 1970vintage

That is all good but we will never know what FA & TL wanted in the earlier years. JB wasn’t 100% free to do what he wanted. Yes he will wear all the moves he made but we cannot be solely totally critical of him. Now that TL is gone & it’s all him we can look at him & the coaching staff & expect better results. PO’s are the measuring stick & contending is to be the real goal very soon. I question if the coaching staff has it in them & I’m not quite confident that is the case.

That is all good but we will never know what FA & TL wanted in the earlier years. JB wasn’t 100% free to do what he wanted. Yes he will wear all the moves he made but we cannot be solely totally critical of him. Now that TL is gone & it’s all him we can look at him & the coaching staff & expect better results. PO’s are the measuring stick & contending is to be the real goal very soon. I question if the coaching staff has it in them & I’m not quite confident that is the case.
- Nighthawk

You realize that Jim hired all the coaches - both to their initial contracts and to their contract extensions right?

As Lefty said, new 3 year deal starts in the fall. I don’t think his job is in danger, playoffs or not next year. The year after... a different story.

The trade for Miller was ballsy & obviously it was a hot topic here. Adding Toffoli further shows it’s the PO’s baby. Both moves made a very significant impact on the direction we are heading. Some think it’s a little too soon & granted that could be true. I don’t mind it & I did like the Miller trade although it did make me nervous i must admit. The Toffoli deal was also expensive but that only further said JB was going for it. We do have a fine stable of prospects leftover & sit good fir years to come. It will come down to them to prove JB’s right. The e-draft & further drafts & trades will continue to add to our prospects pipeline albeit less given we moved a 1st & 2nd. Can JB & his scouts mine more gems will be harder but they have done well in the later rounds. We need to jettison some contracts for picks to continue this curve even if at a small reduced price.

You realize that Jim hired all the coaches - both to their initial contracts and to their contract extensions right?

As Lefty said, new 3 year deal starts in the fall. I don’t think his job is in danger, playoffs or not next year. The year after... a different story.
- 1970vintage

100% agree on all of that. I do think JB has faith in TG & company but can change that in a moment if needed. They are under scrutiny.

You guys are entitled to your opinion . Like I said many times I understand.

I don't think the Cap is mismanaged. I thought at the beginning of last year Canucks alloted 4.5 for each of Tanev and Markstrom. They have even officially offered Marky 4.5 for 2 years.

Markstrom played over his head this year and wants more . Canucks probably had wiggle room for another half a mil. If he is looking for more than that then good for him he deserves it and I wish him well on his new team there are others that can fill in for two years here in the 3.5 -4.5 range.

Same with Tanev they probably have a reasonable offer for him . If he wants more he will be playing elsewhere.

As much as some call this management stupid they do have a blueprint. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean they wont reach their goals.
- VANTEL

To be fair Markstrom played over his head for much of last year as well. I for one predicated the Canucks success this year or lack thereof would be largely predicated upon Markstrom's ability to replicate what he did last year.

Sure, that’s a significant jump in the standings that I don’t believe they can achieve. Too bad Minivan isn’t here to record it, we’ll just have to trust that we can remember...
- 1970vintage

We will remember . 20 to charity of choice for the top 10 finish

First point is I am never the one who originally brings the cap up as being and issue. So maybe you can point out to the ones bringing up the cap. I don't care that they overspent on a contract or two the team will continue to move ahead.

I know the bet is based on whether they make the top 10 or not. It is not ballsy at all . I trust the core of players that will be here to be good enough to reach the top 10 .

I think the team met expectations this year as a bubble team and their next step is top 10 ?

Did you want to make the 20 dollar wager? It is for a good cause.
- VANTEL

I’m the misguided poster who uses capfriendly & seeking preposterous trades lol

Tbh they are homer trades but only beginning points to realize a deal to move out players. Sutter Stetcher are 2 I see as cap space needed to be moved. Others if needed. Loui is well an obvious problem.

To be fair Markstrom played over his head for much of last year as well. I for one predicated the Canucks success this year or lack thereof would be largely predicated upon Markstrom's ability to replicate what he did last year.
- golfingsince

He did . He came on late in the year and was outstanding for the first time in his career. He followed it up with a second fantastic year.

I’m a hypocrite time...

Being I constantly knock ppl here for revisionist history I will now go on lol

Yes JB made moves trading 2nds etc to fill gaps & try moving out NMC’s & NTC’s. In the midst he has made many UFA moves that are highly subjective. Now that that has passed & he has more chips in the game he’s moved on to bigger ballsy trades. He drafted the assets to do this. He has a very good prospect pool to allow this & also used that to move a 1st/2nd to get Miller & Toffoli. His trading has improved getting Pearson for Guddy that wasn’t a good move. Where we stand with our core & the challenge to resign UFA’s is exciting times.

He did . He came on late in the year and was outstanding for the first time in his career. He followed it up with a second fantastic year.
- VANTEL

I see I used predicated twice, first should have been predicted. Damn gummies.

I am willing to bet a 20.00 donation to the charity of your choice that next year they are a top 10 team and cap compliant.
- VANTEL

i'll take that bet.

the bet is actually just that the canucks are a top 10 team in the league at the end of the 2020/21 season since no team has ever not been cap compliant.

i say they are not, you say they are.

$20 goes to charity. either way, it's fun and a good cause gets $20.