The girls are bolstering . They give out free Canucks tickets to this years home games.
- VANTEL

So they wear 22 & 33 jerseys while giving massage?

the CBA actually had clauses to allow the players and owners to end it. the players had to exercise their option at the beginning of last summer and the owners a couple months later. neither side did so.

but a force majeure clause really wouldn't come into play with respect to the CBA but i'd be interested to know if their were such clauses for the broadcast rights and for season tickets holders.
- RealityChecker

You would think they might in regards to a CBA. I worked in a union for years and if I recall, there was one in our contract. You know, if there was some disaster that destroyed the workplace, liabilities, etc.

Was just reading up on this years draft what a joke.

Hypothetically CBJ could win first over all pick and the Stanley Cup this year with their system they are thinking of implementing .

Canucks could give up their first round pick and still not make the playoffs.

And you can't trade roster players.


- VANTEL

Greed and stupidity.

You would think they might in regards to a CBA. I worked in a union for years and if I recall, there was one in our contract. You know, if there was some disaster that destroyed the workplace, liabilities, etc.
- carsonagenic

you're right, there is a clause that states:
The CBA as it is written currently grants owners the power to negotiate different salary figures for players in the event that the league suspends operations because of a “state of war or other cause beyond the control of the league or of the club.”

“The salary listed in their standard player contract (SPC) ‘shall be replaced by that mutually agreed upon between the Club and the Player, or, in the absence of mutual agreement, by that determined by neutral arbitration’ if there is a reduction in operations, such as the regular season being truncated due to the coronavirus pandemic.”

edit: this basically means that the league isn't forced to pay the full salary if the league is suspended/not playing. i'm not sure that this means that they can invoke this clause once the league is playing after the pandemic recedes. but bottom line is that both sides have to agree on changing salary payment.


so basically, the league and PA will have to come to agreement or send it to arbitration.

you're right, there is a clause that states:
The CBA as it is written currently grants owners the power to negotiate different salary figures for players in the event that the league suspends operations because of a “state of war or other cause beyond the control of the league or of the club.”

“The salary listed in their standard player contract (SPC) ‘shall be replaced by that mutually agreed upon between the Club and the Player, or, in the absence of mutual agreement, by that determined by neutral arbitration’ if there is a reduction in operations, such as the regular season being truncated due to the coronavirus pandemic.”


so basically, the league and PA will have to come to agreement or send it to arbitration.
- RealityChecker

Nice work! Solid digging, you're a good poster.

Nice work! Solid digging, you're a good poster.
- Marwood

That was serious digging for sure

Nice work! Solid digging, you're a good poster.
- Marwood

i take no compliments from communists.

The Animal Kingdom is about the least form of Communism their is.
The Parliamentary system with the welfare state, such as UK, and Canada is about the best system there is. However there a major warts...
-Not enough say for the electorate in choosing the PM.
-Internal corruption within Government.
-Today's society that want it all now, and do nothing for it.
-WASTE!
I'm a social Liberal when it comes to most things. Abortion, Sexual Orientation, etc.
do whatever you want, don't care.
Fiscally Conservative though. don't waste my money, keep the country working, we can't pay for our extremely high standard of living with just promises of "Sunny Ways", "Budgets balance themselves" and credit cards.
- carsonagenic

You need to get out of camp more often, I like your post, wanna start a new political party.

you're right, there is a clause that states:
The CBA as it is written currently grants owners the power to negotiate different salary figures for players in the event that the league suspends operations because of a “state of war or other cause beyond the control of the league or of the club.”

“The salary listed in their standard player contract (SPC) ‘shall be replaced by that mutually agreed upon between the Club and the Player, or, in the absence of mutual agreement, by that determined by neutral arbitration’ if there is a reduction in operations, such as the regular season being truncated due to the coronavirus pandemic.”

edit: this basically means that the league isn't forced to pay the full salary if the league is suspended/not playing. i'm not sure that this means that they can invoke this clause once the league is playing after the pandemic recedes. but bottom line is that both sides have to agree on changing salary payment.


so basically, the league and PA will have to come to agreement or send it to arbitration.
- RealityChecker

Good Job Checker!
Figured it would be in there. And a plague would definitely count as an "Act of God/ Force Majeure" so IMO the CBA will be opened up. And a hammer will fall on the NHLPA. Side note, read that Bettman and Donald Fehr are in constant contact. They must be discussing this.

Good Job Checker!
Figured it would be in there. And a plague would definitely count as an "Act of God/ Force Majeure" so IMO the CBA will be opened up. And a hammer will fall on the NHLPA. Side note, read that Bettman and Donald Fehr are in constant contact. They must be discussing this.
- carsonagenic

oh for sure, they're discussing... but the clause deals with payment during a stoppage. it doesn't deal with the league going forward when it's playing.

it's a moot point though as that it's probably a difference without distinction. the league and PA will come to an agreement going forward.

i'm still thinking they try to finish this season, go with a flat cap for next season and then based on next year's revenues figure out what the heck to do. but then again, i was thinking there would be changes this offseason including compliance buyout(s) only a week or two ago. that just means that who knows what the situation is going to be in a month let alone july/august/september.

Iain MacIntyre
@imacSportsnet
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This stood out for me from impending UFA Jacob Markstrom's call today: "I want to stay in Vancouver. That’s my goal. That’s pretty much 100 per cent of my mindset: I’m still a Vancouver Canuck and I’m super proud of being it. I have no plans of leaving."

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On a side note he says he spends a lot of time with Edler when he is in Vancouver , they are good friends

Iain MacIntyre
@imacSportsnet
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17h
This stood out for me from impending UFA Jacob Markstrom's call today: "I want to stay in Vancouver. That’s my goal. That’s pretty much 100 per cent of my mindset: I’m still a Vancouver Canuck and I’m super proud of being it. I have no plans of leaving."
- VANTEL

8 years/$8m

You need to get out of camp more often, I like your post, wanna start a new political party.
- Makita

Funny, you are not the first to suggest this. My wife always says "I'm a politician" when we have our issues...
Many other people are in the same boat as us, There is no political party that represents us. We all can't be as "They" say....Left Wing Tree Hugger, anti-job Libtards or a Right Wing Con racists that wants to kill the planet.
Has to be a middle in there somewhere...
It is almost impossible to begin a party though without a poop ton of cash, which I don't have. Or a cause / personal tragedy to catapult you it the spotlight.
Example Chuck Cadman. I worked with his son Jesse at Earl's restaurant the night he was murdered. Killed because our shift in the kitchen decorated our caps with tape. He left it on and walked home with a buddy. Some POS stopped him on the walking trail home and stabbed him because he didn't like it.
That's all I have to say about that...

I'll try to keep it to Hockey though, my Captain.

Good Job Checker!
Figured it would be in there. And a plague would definitely count as an "Act of God/ Force Majeure" so IMO the CBA will be opened up. And a hammer will fall on the NHLPA. Side note, read that Bettman and Donald Fehr are in constant contact. They must be discussing this.
- carsonagenic

could a band-aid for this season be: keep the salary cap flat but institute an insane escrow amount such as 30% and then figure things out next year.

that brings down the cap in practical terms which helps the financially struggling teams and it gives them a full year to discuss things going forward.

8 years/$8m
- RealityChecker

Before I decide is that totaled or per

oh for sure, they're discussing... but the clause deals with payment during a stoppage. it doesn't deal with the league going forward when it's playing.

it's a moot point though as that it's probably a difference without distinction. the league and PA will come to an agreement going forward.

i'm still thinking they try to finish this season, go with a flat cap for next season and then based on next year's revenues figure out what the heck to do. but then again, i was thinking there would be changes this offseason including compliance buyout(s) only a week or two ago. that just means that who knows what the situation is going to be in a month let alone july/august/september.
- RealityChecker

Yep, fire up the Mystery Machine.

8 years/$8m
- RealityChecker

Don't ever go full Luongo...

could a band-aid for this season be: keep the salary cap flat but institute an insane escrow amount such as 30% and then figure things out next year.

that brings down the cap in practical terms which helps the financially struggling teams and it gives them a full year to discuss things going forward.
- RealityChecker

That is probably along the lines that will be taken. No union ever wants to give up what they have bargained for. But in this case they will have to put up a huge escrow just to carry things out until there is more clarity. Who is going to spend money on hockey after this... if they have any left.

And now for some uplifting good ole BC boy music.

Funny, you are not the first to suggest this. My wife always says "I'm a politician" when we have our issues...
Many other people are in the same boat as us, There is no political party that represents us. We all can't be as "They" say....Left Wing Tree Hugger, anti-job Libtards or a Right Wing Con racists that wants to kill the planet.
Has to be a middle in there somewhere...
It is almost impossible to begin a party though without a poop ton of cash, which I don't have. Or a cause / personal tragedy to catapult you it the spotlight.
Example Chuck Cadman. I worked with his son Jesse at Earl's restaurant the night he was murdered. Killed because our shift in the kitchen decorated our caps with tape. He left it on and walked home with a buddy. Some POS stopped him on the walking trail home and stabbed him because he didn't like it.
That's all I have to say about that...

I'll try to keep it to Hockey though, my Captain.
- carsonagenic

The last true politician who represented his constituents first. A noble man.

The last true politician who represented his constituents first. A noble man.
- Marwood

Up to his final days, with that vote in Parliament. He was a man with morals that lost his son for no reason. You never hear a bad word about him being a Reform Party radical. Why? Because he wasn't a politician at all. Actually became an Independent because no party represented him either.

Good Job Checker!
Figured it would be in there. And a plague would definitely count as an "Act of God/ Force Majeure" so IMO the CBA will be opened up. And a hammer will fall on the NHLPA. Side note, read that Bettman and Donald Fehr are in constant contact. They must be discussing this.
- carsonagenic

I don’t know about other industries, but the insurance industry does not consider a pandemic an “act of dog”. Business that had loss of revenue insurance are getting SFA. Virus and infection spread is an act of human.

I don’t know about other industries, but the insurance industry does not consider a pandemic an “act of dog”. Business that had loss of revenue insurance are getting SFA. Virus and infection spread is an act of human.
- 1970vintage

Insurance will always find a way not to pay if they can.

I personally can't see it working at all for this year.

I understand NHLs stance on wanting to complete it instead of paying back a billion dollars for TV broadcast rights.

What I don't think will work is telling 500 grown men they will be sequestered for 3 months or so including their family .

I also think as regulations of restrictions ease the virus will continue and creep into the NHL society.

8 years/$8m
- RealityChecker

Might as well, since there is no longer a recapture penalty he can just retire after 4 years, no problem...