I hear ya
I just thought I'd give you the perspective in terms of a Canucks fan in Calgary sometimes I am force fed Flames coverage. I am a fan of Risto and Dillon, but Tryamkin I feel like won't fit in on the current team with guys like Hughes Petey and Miller as the top group. I think Miller would make him cry first practice.
- Nucknab23

If it did come down to Tanev at 4 x 5 or Hamonic at 2x 3 I would definitely go Hamonic.

If it did come down to Tanev at 4 x 5 or Hamonic at 2x 3 I would definitely go Hamonic.
- VANTEL

I'd stay with Tanev, but to each their own.

I'd stay with Tanev, but to each their own.
- Makita

Yup

I seen a comment from an unreliable source that said they will start up in July. If they are going to do it that makes the most sense.
- VANTEL

you're killing me with these twitter feeds of naked women

If it did come down to Tanev at 4 x 5 or Hamonic at 2x 3 I would definitely go Hamonic.
- VANTEL

As Makita said to each their own, but I feel like Hamonic is less Mobile and not as good a defender while also(just like Tanev)adding very little to no offence.

If it did come down to Tanev at 4 x 5 or Hamonic at 2x 3 I would definitely go Hamonic.
- VANTEL

one of them will at least get his face punched in in a fight...

you're killing me with these twitter feeds of naked women
- 1970vintage

Pretty bad huh

A good one to follow if you want tasteful daily boobs is THENUDEFACTORY

She won't make you vomit

As Makita said to each their own, but I feel like Hamonic is less Mobile and not as good a defender while also(just like Tanev)adding very little to no offence.
- Nucknab23

My biggest gripe about Tanev is the 50 games a year and 11 points. The money he wants is too much for me. If he accepted 2 x 4 sure why not but he wants more.

My biggest gripe about Tanev is the 50 games a year and 11 points. The money he wants is too much for me. If he accepted 2 x 4 sure why not but he wants more.
- VANTEL

Covid contract for sure. he doesn't want to leave. With his lack of scoring, injury history, and plague rollbacks... He is not going anywhere as the market will not be there to make it worth while for him to leave. IF the Canucks offer him a contract. I could see a Gardiner situation where the very limited dollars to be spent on higher end talent are used up, and he is left with limited options.
3 x 3 mil. for him to stay here.

Covid contract for sure. he doesn't want to leave. With his lack of scoring, injury history, and plague rollbacks... He is not going anywhere as the market will not be there to make it worth while for him to leave. IF the Canucks offer him a contract. I could see a Gardiner situation where the very limited dollars to be spent on higher end talent are used up, and he is left with limited options.
3 x 3 mil. for him to stay here.
- carsonagenic

3x3 is a good deal.

I'd stay with Tanev, but to each their own.
- Makita

So would I.
I think the New World Order will end up being at least a 25% lower offer on whatever number we think a player will sign for. How can it not?
Economists are predicting a Dirty 30's Depression situation for the foreseeable future, so how are teams going to make money to pay players? This is going to be the most intriguing time for this league since WW2 or the 67' expansion.
I'm just happy that Benning got the farm system in order before this hit. More than ever, cost controlled young talent is going to be the most important aspect of any NHL team going forward.

My biggest gripe about Tanev is the 50 games a year and 11 points. The money he wants is too much for me. If he accepted 2 x 4 sure why not but he wants more.
- VANTEL

You don't look into the finer points of the game, and that's fine, it's not for everyone. however, if you did, you'd see Tanev is the Canucks second best dman behind Hughes.

He's second on possession exit % 35.0% to Hughes 48.1%
He's second on possession exits per 6 minutes at 10.4 to Hughes 16.8
He's second on failed exit % at 21.7% to Hughes 20.6% (Benn worst at 26.4%)

Long story short, Hughes Tanev and Stecher are the top three guys on zone exits. Tanev paired with Hughes allows QH to jump into the play as much as he does and for the first time in many years Tanev can stay healthy because there's players on the team who can control the puck on zone exits.

Food for thought...

You don't look into the finer points of the game, and that's fine, it's not for everyone. however, if you did, you'd see Tanev is the Canucks second best dman behind Hughes.

He's second on possession exit % 35.0% to Hughes 48.1%
He's second on possession exits per 6 minutes at 10.4 to Hughes 16.8
He's second on failed exit % at 21.7% to Hughes 20.6% (Benn worst at 26.4%)

Long story short, Hughes Tanev and Stecher are the top three guys on zone exits. Tanev paired with Hughes allows QH to jump into the play as much as he does and for the first time in many years Tanev can stay healthy because there's players on the team who can control the puck on zone exits.
- Pacificgem

I know all about the sub stats fatty , it still comes down to the guy plays 50 games a year.

I know all about the sub stats fatty , it still comes down to the guy plays 50 games a year.
- VANTEL

Three's a reason for that though, which was alleviated this season when he was partnered with Hughes. I'm ok if he walks, but to blanket statement say he's only this or that is wrong. He's the Canucks second best dman.

Three's a reason for that though, which was alleviated this season when he was partnered with Hughes. I'm ok if he walks, but to blanket statement say he's only this or that is wrong. He's the Canucks second best dman.
- Pacificgem

Three's a reason for that though, which was alleviated this season when he was partnered with Hughes. I'm ok if he walks, but to blanket statement say he's only this or that is wrong. He's the Canucks second best dman.
- Pacificgem

We just need to plan for a Cap world of about 61 mil ( 25% lower). That's the problem going forward, especially with Hughes and Petey coming due.

Three's a reason for that though, which was alleviated this season when he was partnered with Hughes. I'm ok if he walks, but to blanket statement say he's only this or that is wrong. He's the Canucks second best dman.
- Pacificgem

Just to play devils advocate, if it was a different guy, Hamonic/Brodie for example, and they were paired with Hughes all year, it’s likely they would be the Canucks 2nd best D man. Just saying other guys can and will eventually do that job. No guarantees that guy will stay healthy...

Three's a reason for that though, which was alleviated this season when he was partnered with Hughes. I'm ok if he walks, but to blanket statement say he's only this or that is wrong. He's the Canucks second best dman.
- Pacificgem

The reason he is so good in his own end is because he is not good in the other end. For a guy who complains so much about this being a terrible team and giving up 50 shots a game , one would think you would want some changes.

Maybe you want to play more time in our end , I don't . Tanev is our third best Hughes is the best and made Luke Schenn look Norris worthy . Edler would be our second best and I heard you say a few times this past season that Edler is the best. That would leave Tanev at number 3.

If the guy want to play here next year for 4 mil fine sign him up. If you are crawling above 5 mil I don't want him. I have no idea why people need to try to tell me to like him at such a high price.

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Just to play devils advocate, if it was a different guy, Hamonic/Brodie for example, and they were paired with Hughes all year, it’s likely they would be the Canucks 2nd best D man. Just saying other guys can and will eventually do that job. No guarantees that guy will stay healthy...
- 1970vintage

The Canucks, more than ever need to invest in amateur scouting to find the talent coming up and pro scouting to find those players that will give you value contracts.

We just need to plan for a Cap world of about 61 mil ( 25% lower). That's the problem going forward, especially with Hughes and Petey coming due.
- carsonagenic

If you can find a similar skillset for less money, then you do it, obviously. Just saying for a team that pretty bad defensively you kinda want to keep the guys who do actually know how to defend and breakout cleanly.

Just to play devils advocate, if it was a different guy, Hamonic/Brodie for example, and they were paired with Hughes all year, it’s likely they would be the Canucks 2nd best D man. Just saying other guys can and will eventually do that job. No guarantees that guy will stay healthy...
- 1970vintage

As I just said above, if you can find a guy who's good at breakouts and is defensively solid for less money, I don't think it's even a question, you do it.

If you can find a similar skillset for less money, then you do it, obviously. Just saying for a team that pretty bad defensively you kinda want to keep the guys who do actually know how to defend and breakout cleanly.
- Pacificgem

Totally agree. I like Tanev and what he brings, especially with Hughes. So if under the old world he was a 4 mil player on a resign, its 3 mil now.

The reason he is so good in his own end is because he is not good in the other end. For a guy who complains so much about this being a terrible team and giving up 50 shots a game , one would think you would want some changes.

Maybe you want to play more time in our end , I don't . Tanev is our third best Hughes is the best and made Luke Schenn look Norris worthy . Edler would be our second best and I heard you say a few times this past season that Edler is the best. That would leave Tanev at number 3.

If the guy want to play here next year for 4 mil fine sign him up. If you are crawling above 5 mil I don't want him. I have no idea why people need to try to tell me to like him at such a high price.
- VANTEL

I just don't think you understand the game very well given the above statements

Tanev is a solid defensive dman who breaks the puck out and defends well on a team that doesn't do that very well. He doesn't have to be offensively talented, why would he when he's paired with Hughes, that's Hughes job. He can't be everything...he only has to be solid at one end of the ice, which he is.

My feelings on Edler were before Quinn Hughes arrived and had the season he did, now Edler is a great second pairing guy.

Again, for the third post in a row, if you can find a guy for less money who's good defensively and breaks the puck out well to the forwards, then do it, no-brainer!