Not trying to be a nudge here, but the Santa Clarita test showed that about 4% tested positive for the anti-bodies. Extrapolated, this number was 50-80 times higher than the confirmed Covid-19 cases in CA.
- Chunk

There's also an issue with the tests as well but that's probably fake news

There's also an issue with the tests as well but that's probably fake news
- BetweenTheDots

Are you excited to hear that less than 1% (around .6-.8) of those infected die?

Gents, if you close everything, and are firm about what can and can't function, you are going to get more people adhering to those rules. If you are wishy-washy, then people don't know what to do and just go about their business.

Also, if you are over 65, would you be ok being told you have to shelter-in-place? You have to wrestle the car keys away from some of them because they can't see or react quick enough and you want to keep them in their houses? Yeah, I don't think so.

I hate this...H-A-T-E. But I'm pretty sure my wife had it (couldn't get tested because the hospital asked her not to come in unless she had shortness of breath, which she never did, but had EVERY OTHER SYMPTOM, including loss of smell and taste) and she was absolutely miserable and it took a full 2 weeks for her to recover and she's young and healthy. I don't want to take the chance of getting it myself while we are still near the top of the curve and I don't want to take the chance of giving it to someone else for the same reason.

Look, if you want to go out and take your chance, fine. Just please, stay away from me. Just like you want the ability to go back to a semi-normal existence, I want the ability to not get sick because someone wants to get back to their semi-normal existence.
- CanOCorn

This not wearing mask.and should make it gloves too - is just purely ignorance and hard - headed defiance. Usually those people never listened carefully or refuse to accept what people tell them. They believe that they know best what they should do. They feel society is overwhelmingly.freaking out.

Which is so sad. We need to get through to them. They may change their mind if more than just one friend or associate or someone they know actually does from it. Or maybe not. They must experience law and order harassment/fines or many many people in their daily path getting sick/dieing

I see a neighbor receiving family from out of town and they are hugging and kissing - all of them. They don't respect that they could be carriers. You see the human body encounters viruses each day and healthy people have an immune system which kills it in the body.

But this is a much tougher strain of virus and there looks to many variations..Not a forgone conclusion all of the healthy people can remain healthy. Better to be safe than sorry should be common sense especially the longer society heard and experiences the consequences.

Today some Chicagoland suburbs are saying come Friday you must wear a face mask everywhere in public..

This is going to be tough to enforce on people who are poor or have kids roaming around outside. Eventually police or some agency will need to be tasked with rounding up homeless and or confronting those in poor areas just like a census worker hounds.

You need these people to shrink in number before any curve in the Corona stat's has credence. With so many people still getting tested, the stay at home order will IMHO only be slightly relaxed. On June 1. And only since it is causing a huge country - wide economic crisis.

I am all for relaxing stay at home and businesses re-open with strict guidelines. But only after we know the curve has gone down and is staying down.

It is the influence of the rich the very wealthy whom for decades control society and steer politicians - they are crying loudest because they want to keep getting rich and this Corona is upsetting their agenda

I know Al Gonzales, three time Emmy Award winner in journalism whom has worked for many of the major networks, CNN etc Al. He says he was told to lie about the news he was to report. He was effectively pushed out of media for a living.

You can correctly call out Trump on some things but know their remains huge power brokers in our country, such as families (some for decades) whom control the economy. Our government has always been crooked and bold face liars. And it will continue. Forces are making Trump out much worse than he is, even trying to misrepresent or lie what he says - whatever. And I am not pro Trump.

Tell you what, research Prescoit Bush in the 1920 and 1930's. Yep he was the Bush Grandaddy. What did he do or try to do. There is a lot of crap we do not know the truth about.

Unfortunately two poor candidates for next President. I won't ever get into which one I dislike most. This is a great country and it is great to be a citizen despite our polical leaders cannot ascend office without being crooked or looking the other way as they overlook things.

.

There's also an issue with the tests as well but that's probably fake news
- BetweenTheDots

You are right. As with virtually all tests, there is a degree of error (same as the ones that confirm you have the virus. The key takeaway from the antibody tests is that a far greater percentage of the population has had this virus than previously confirmed through the Covid -19 tests.

I'm not sure of the selection criteria for the test (I haven't had the chance to read the entire study yet), which also could skew the results one way or the other. Again the key takeaway from the tests I referenced is that a much larger proportion of the population have had the virus already which significantly cuts down the mortality rate. It is still very contagious.

My personal 2 cents... in certain lower populated areas of the country, adapt the Sweden model. The biggest problem they had was that they did not properly protect the elderly. Learn from that, and add that caveat to the policy. You end up with a larger percentage of the population developing antibodies at a much faster rate. This would not work in NY, but other areas of the country it certainly would.

Are you excited to hear that less than 1% (around .6-.8) of those infected die?
- mohel

I hope so fingers crossed, lots of people still dying though

You are right. As with virtually all tests, there is a degree of error (same as the ones that confirm you have the virus. The key takeaway from the antibody tests is that a far greater percentage of the population has had this virus than previously confirmed through the Covid -19 tests.

I'm not sure of the selection criteria for the test (I haven't had the chance to read the entire study yet), which also could skew the results one way or the other. Again the key takeaway from the tests I referenced is that a much larger proportion of the population have had the virus already which significantly cuts down the mortality rate. It is still very contagious.

My personal 2 cents... in certain lower populated areas of the country, adapt the Sweden model. The biggest problem they had was that they did not properly protect the elderly. Learn from that, and add that caveat to the policy. You end up with a larger percentage of the population developing antibodies at a much faster rate. This would not work in NY, but other areas of the country it certainly would.
- Chunk

I thought they said the anti bodies leave your system after a month? Probably not but i thought i heard that

Just looked up, developing a test, hope it works and hope way way way more people have had it and never had any symptoms

I hope so fingers crossed, lots of people still dying though
- BetweenTheDots

I've been saying that to myself every day for decades.

Sorry if posted already but NHL reportedly to likely use standing points % to determine draft order. If so, Chicago would be 9th which is on par with what many draft sites are predicting anyway.
- AEL_Fox

Ya I think that were they will draft .Looking at some mock sites ,the one did 10 drafts ,the HAWKS took J Sanderson 3 times .They also landed Stutzle Late in one ,I don't think he would get by Ott , but never know if Ott get's 1 and 2 . ,Still would rather see the HAWKS take Askarov over Sanderson . Now if Stutzle fell to the HAWKS I would not pass on him . Also Like that Quinn Kid ,he looks like could be good .Lundell is my bet for the HAWKS ,but not my favorite .

I thought they said the anti bodies leave your system after a month? Probably not but i thought i heard that
- BetweenTheDots

There you go, falling for conspiracy theories again, Dots.

There you go, falling for conspiracy theories again, Dots.
- mohel

No not really, i edited my post, thanks for being ready to pounce

Glad you're hanging on my every word

This not wearing mask.and should make it gloves too - is just purely ignorance and hard - headed defiance. Usually those people never listened carefully or refuse to accept what people tell them. They believe that they know best what they should do. They feel society is overwhelmingly.freaking out.

Which is so sad. We need to get through to them. They may change their mind if more than just one friend or associate or someone they know actually does from it. Or maybe not. They must experience law and order harassment/fines or many many people in their daily path getting sick/dieing

I see a neighbor receiving family from out of town and they are hugging and kissing - all of them. They don't respect that they could be carriers. You see the human body encounters viruses each day and healthy people have an immune system which kills it in the body.

But this is a much tougher strain of virus and there looks to many variations..Not a forgone conclusion all of the healthy people can remain healthy. Better to be safe than sorry should be common sense especially the longer society heard and experiences the consequences.

Today some Chicagoland suburbs are saying come Friday you must wear a face mask everywhere in public..

This is going to be tough to enforce on people who are poor or have kids roaming around outside. Eventually police or some agency will need to be tasked with rounding up homeless and or confronting those in poor areas just like a census worker hounds.

You need these people to shrink in number before any curve in the Corona stat's has credence. With so many people still getting tested, the stay at home order will IMHO only be slightly relaxed. On June 1. And only since it is causing a huge country - wide economic crisis.

I am all for relaxing stay at home and businesses re-open with strict guidelines. But only after we know the curve has gone down and is staying down.

It is the influence of the rich the very wealthy whom for decades control society and steer politicians - they are crying loudest because they want to keep getting rich and this Corona is upsetting their agenda

I know Al Gonzales, three time Emmy Award winner in journalism whom has worked for many of the major networks, CNN etc Al. He says he was told to lie about the news he was to report. He was effectively pushed out of media for a living.

You can correctly call out Trump on some things but know their remains huge power brokers in our country, such as families (some for decades) whom control the economy. Our government has always been crooked and bold face liars. And it will continue. Forces are making Trump out much worse than he is, even trying to misrepresent or lie what he says - whatever. And I am not pro Trump.

Tell you what, research Prescoit Bush in the 1920 and 1930's. Yep he was the Bush Grandaddy. What did he do or try to do. There is a lot of crap we do not know the truth about.

Unfortunately two poor candidates for next President. I won't ever get into which one I dislike most. This is a great country and it is great to be a citizen despite our polical leaders cannot ascend office without being crooked or looking the other way as they overlook things.

.
- jhawk59

Or Joe Kennedy in the 30's

I thought they said the anti bodies leave your system after a month? Probably not but i thought i heard that

Just looked up, developing a test, hope it works and hope way way way more people have had it and never had any symptoms
- BetweenTheDots

In my very limited understanding (and please no one take this as anything close to fact as I have not verified anything), it depends on the viral load ingested as to how many antibodies are developed and that, in turn, determines how efficient you are at defending against new virus. As far as I know there is nothing published regarding the duration of the antibodies in the body.

If you have seen otherwise, please provide the link. I would like to read it.

I thought they said the anti bodies leave your system after a month? Probably not but i thought i heard that

Just looked up, developing a test, hope it works and hope way way way more people have had it and never had any symptoms
- BetweenTheDots

The docs aren’t sure yet. They also aren’t sure how long immunity, if any, lasts. It’s a new version of COVID, and they’re learning on the fly.

Quickest solution is a drug treatment that works, and can take the fear of death off the table. There’s a drug in testing at U of Chicago that’s promising. Vaccines take much longer, we’re at least a year away from that.

Are you excited to hear that less than 1% (around .6-.8) of those infected die?
- mohel

So the new number for you is 2,000,000 people? Good to hear

So is that more or less than the flu and car accidents?

The docs aren’t sure yet. They also aren’t sure how long immunity, if any, lasts. It’s a new version of COVID, and they’re learning on the fly.

Quickest solution is a drug treatment that works, and can take the fear of death off the table. There’s a drug in testing at U of Chicago that’s promising. Vaccines take much longer, we’re at least a year away from that.
- scottak

That's the thing "Arent sure" is nothing too hang your hat on, at least for me

Trying to get back to hockey...

Considering they played together in CHI for most of Daze's career, who would you rather have at their absolute best, Daze or Amonte?

#CovidBuzz

The docs aren’t sure yet. They also aren’t sure how long immunity, if any, lasts. It’s a new version of COVID, and they’re learning on the fly.

Quickest solution is a drug treatment that works, and can take the fear of death off the table. There’s a drug in testing at U of Chicago that’s promising. Vaccines take much longer, we’re at least a year away from that.
- scottak

Not to pile on here, but there is also no guarantee that a vaccine can be developed for this.

#CovidBuzz
- Ogilthorpe2

Sorry,

So the new number for you is 2,000,000 people? Good to hear

So is that more or less than the flu and car accidents?
- BetweenTheDots

That's not exactly a solid argument, as the population does not get 100% infected.

I will admit, I'm a bit cold hearted here in saying that every effort should be made to re-open the economy. Covid deaths are relatively easy to count compared to heart attack, stroke, suicide, domestic violence, crime, etc. that can come about due to the immense number of people that are jobless.

#CovidBuzz
- Ogilthorpe2

Hey, I tried to steer it back. I even brought up Tony Amonte for crying out loud.

The docs aren’t sure yet. They also aren’t sure how long immunity, if any, lasts. It’s a new version of COVID, and they’re learning on the fly.

Quickest solution is a drug treatment that works, and can take the fear of death off the table. There’s a drug in testing at U of Chicago that’s promising. Vaccines take much longer, we’re at least a year away from that.
- scottak

If the NY study is accurate 99+% survive. That should take the fear of death off the table.

#CovidBuzz
- Ogilthorpe2

Sharp was great. Next.

Not to pile on here, but there is also no guarantee that a vaccine can be developed for this.
- Chunk

I believe it is likely something which will help is developed. I expect an innoculation but I do not discount what you say. In history lessons it takes the mass of people rising up to divert the powers that be. One of the first things i learned studying European Economic history in a college class.

Not to pile on here, but there is also no guarantee that a vaccine can be developed for this.
- Chunk

Yes, that’s true.