Because i have faith the government officials think they are doing what's best for us. Fwiw i don't wear a mask outside.

I trust the universities and their models way more than some guy ranting about how he can't go to home depot for now.

Even though I'm not a religious guy, one line helps me the most, let go and let ...
- BetweenTheDots

The models haven't been right yet.

He won't fire Fauci because that would turn him loose to tell and say all.
- rpeters01

That doesn't seem to have stopped him before. Maybe he keeps Dr. Fauci because he thinks he's doing a good job?

Hey look, it's not just some on this board who think Toews sucks. Sean Maloney does too!

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In this edition of the hotstove, we share our choices for best player on the Chicago Blackhawks.

Todd Cordell

I think Kirby Dach *could* be the guy in a couple of years but, right now, Patrick Kane and I’m not sure it is close.

Point producers who don’t bring much else do tend to be overrated. Sometimes greatly so. While that may even be the case with Kane, I still believe he’s their top guy.

Kane put up 116 points at 5v5 over the last two seasons. Jonathan Toews was the closest at 84. Kane recorded 378 scoring chances in that time. Again, nobody was close (Alex DeBrincat had 319). He is very clearly the offensive driver on the team and, though his defensive play leaves a lot to be desired, he has gotten results.

Chicago is not a remotely good defensive side, obviously, and yet Kane helped them out-score opponents by 35 from 2018-present. I know the percentages have a way of making goal differentials larger (or smaller) than they deserve to be but Kane still deserves some credit. I mean, this is a team with a negative 5v5 goal differential over that time.

Sean Maloughney

It's Kane.

Not only is he consistently the top scorer and producer on the Blackhawks, but he is regularly a top 10 producer in the NHL as well. No player on the Blackhawks has a better GF% or xGF than Kane. He is an elite scorer at 5 on 5 as well as the PP.

What continues to be amazing about Kane is how much he has to generate on his own. This year, Kane outscored the second highest producer on the Hawks (Toews who shouldn't even be considered an elite player anymore) by over 20 points. Debrincat also struggled this season so even on the powerplay where the two connect Kane has had to pull the team along by himself.

At 30 years old Kane is by far the best player on the Hawks. If I had to pick a second it would be DeBrincat but Kane continues to be one of the top elite forwards in the NHL.

Numbers via NaturalStatTrick.com

Rather be wrong in less deaths than more ehhh?
- BetweenTheDots

Then ban smoking, drinking alcohol, red meat, dairy, cars that go over 80mph, etc.

That will greatly reduce the mortality rate. We can do away with personal freedoms and free will.

Justifying the means by saying look we could have saved X number of lives based on the modeling that we already know has been proven wrong?

These models have been accounting for social distancing since March. Now we are learning the death rate of 2-3% is not even close.

You literally had doctors/scientists saying 40-50% of people are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms that were not being tested. Nevertheless death rates were/are being calculated based on confirmed cases only. Knowing full well that unless a patient shows severe symptoms they weren't being tested.

I have a problem with flawed statistics being repeatedly hammered into the American public's mind.

The modeling in Illinois was apparently off by a month...but that is because we have been social distancing (better than calculated in the modeling?). The logic is then well look our models show that we might have saved X amount of lives by doing this so lets keep doing it for another month.

We are justifying the stripping of civil liberties by our politicians who support the decisions based on modeling that we know is already extremely inaccurate!

The models haven't been right yet.
- mohel

Then i guess that gives you something to argue about.

It probably saved lives but i understand money is more important

Then ban smoking, drinking alcohol, red meat, dairy, cars that go over 80mph, etc.

That will greatly reduce the mortality rate. We can do away with personal freedoms and free will.

Justifying the means by saying look we could have saved X number of lives based on the modeling that we already know has been proven wrong?

These models have been accounting for social distancing since March. Now we are learning the death rate of 2-3% is not even close.

You literally had doctors/scientists saying 40-50% of people are asymptomatic or have mild symptoms that were not being tested. Nevertheless death rates were/are being calculated based on confirmed cases only. Knowing full well that unless a patient shows severe symptoms they weren't being tested.

I have a problem with flawed statistics being repeatedly hammered into the American public's mind.

The modeling in Illinois was apparently off by a month...but that is because we have been social distancing (better than calculated in the modeling?). The logic is then well look our models show that we might have saved X amount of lives by doing this so lets keep doing it for another month.

We are justifying the stripping of civil liberties by our politicians who support the decisions based on modeling that we know is already extremely inaccurate!
- bhawks2241

Here we go comparing it to something we know to something we don't know.

New York study out yesterday (and discussed by Governor Cuomo) showed 14% of the population has the antibodies, which means they had the virus in their body. # of deaths divided by 14% of the population is well under 1% of those infected.
- mohel

How scientific was the sample size? I was going by Illinois stats before.

How scientific was the sample size? I was going by Illinois stats before.
- rpeters01

Really scientific

Here we go comparing it to something we know to something we don't know.
- BetweenTheDots

So once we know how deadly COVID-19 is then it is ok to go back to normal? Or does it have to be a certain number of deaths before it is ok to go back to normal? Who determines that threshold?

Say we get a vaccine that protects 30% of the population. Is it ok at that point if the models only show 45k a year will die from COVID-19?

I guess just leave it up to the government to arbitrarily decide when we can have all our civil liberties back?

How scientific was the sample size? I was going by Illinois stats before.
- rpeters01

Gov't Cuomo was citing to it. So vetted enough that he felt comfortable enough discussing it.

Seems to me those headlines reflected his quote - he DID suggest that those things COULD help cure...where is the fake news?
- StLBravesFan

Since you spend most your time watching the big Six TV outlets (fake News) most of your time... I would say most of your political comments are based on the corrupt media are useless info. It would be best if you keep your political cute comments to yourself . I do however, have no problems with your hockey comments.

Since you spend most your time watching the big Six TV outlets (fake News) most of your time... I would say most of your political comments are based on the corrupt media are useless info. It would be best if you keep your political cute comments to yourself . I do however, have no problems with your hockey comments.
- spanky

If you watch the rest of that briefing a reporter asks him are you suggesting Americans do that? Trump laughs at him and says I can see it now the headline reads Trump tells Americans to inject themselves with disinfectant.

He states in the briefing he is not suggesting people do that only that the doctors will look into those possibilities.

Since you spend most your time watching the big Six TV outlets (fake News) most of your time... I would say most of your political comments are based on the corrupt media are useless info. It would be best if you keep your political cute comments to yourself . I do however, have no problems with your hockey comments.
- spanky

You are a good American, sir.

I will certainly defer to your analysis of the political system.

Thank you for providing it.

You are a good American, sir.

I will certainly defer to your analysis of the political system.

Thank you for providing it.
- StLBravesFan

It amazes me that they can get people to watch fake news and then call all other news fake, dedicated soldiers

So once we know how deadly COVID-19 is then it is ok to go back to normal? Or does it have to be a certain number of deaths before it is ok to go back to normal? Who determines that threshold?

Say we get a vaccine that protects 30% of the population. Is it ok at that point if the models only show 45k a year will die from COVID-19?

I guess just leave it up to the government to arbitrarily decide when we can have all our civil liberties back?
- bhawks2241

Here we go with hypotheticals again

You guys struggle with immediate gratification.

Here we go with hypotheticals again

You guys struggle with immediate gratification.
- BetweenTheDots

We are locking down the nation based on hypothetical modeling that projected a high number of deaths. That modeling was wrong.

So when do we return to normal? It will undoubtedly be based on modeling. What is an acceptable death projection?

That is where we are at right now. It isn't about immediate gratification. It is ok if X number of people die from one cause but X amount of people can't die from COVID-19?

We are locking down the nation based on hypothetical modeling that projected a high number of deaths. That modeling was wrong.

So when do we return to normal? It will undoubtedly be based on modeling. What is an acceptable death projection?

That is where we are at right now. It isn't about immediate gratification. It is ok if X number of people die from one cause but X amount of people can't die from COVID-19?
- bhawks2241

Go to Georgia i hear they are open for business

Great thing about freedom, you can leave anytime you like

We are locking down the nation based on hypothetical modeling that projected a high number of deaths. That modeling was wrong.

So when do we return to normal? It will undoubtedly be based on modeling. What is an acceptable death projection?

That is where we are at right now. It isn't about immediate gratification. It is ok if X number of people die from one cause but X amount of people can't die from COVID-19?
- bhawks2241

The modeling wasn’t wrong - it was reasonable based on the known facts and assumptions used at the time.

Better knowledge of the facts, leading to better assumptions of the future, lead to better models - I am sure (although not part of the process) that the current models in use are better than the ones generated a month ago.

We are locking down the nation based on hypothetical modeling that projected a high number of deaths. That modeling was wrong.

So when do we return to normal? It will undoubtedly be based on modeling. What is an acceptable death projection?

That is where we are at right now. It isn't about immediate gratification. It is ok if X number of people die from one cause but X amount of people can't die from COVID-19?
- bhawks2241

What kind of ridiculous statement is this? You don't think the number would have been DRASTICALLY higher if not for the lock-down and distancing measures??? You ONLY look at American numbers and not the numbers they learned from from the countries that experienced this earlier. For all his dumb statements, at least Trump was smart enough to see what was coming and these measures kept MOST of the USA from becoming an Italy where hospitals were over flowing, people dying in the thousands and thousands and the economic cost may have been even worse, to go along with 5 or 10 or 100 times the death. Even Trump and his task force acknowledge that without the actions they took this virus would have crippled most of America.

Sure, open it all up. And YOU go in and work in the hospitals as they overflow with sick and dying patients in the thousands.

Sheesh.....

Seeing some post on here reminds me of the Joke circulating in Germany .What borders on Stupidity ,Canada and Mexico ..

I'm not defending what he says at all (and certainly not his delivery), but doesn't he have a number of doctors and scientists speak every day during the press conference?

And the big takeaway is that Trump is telling people to inject themselves with Lysol, which is not only a false conclusion, but lazy reporting. Both sides are guilty of shoddy reporting, and pushing narratives. It would be nice if we could simply get the facts out and call it a day.
- Chunk

That ship sailed, never to return to port again.

I love the people who rip on Fox News, only to find out they watch MSNBC and CNN.

Really scientific
- BetweenTheDots

The MOST scientific. The best science ever. There never was a better science. It was more scientific than any science that ever came before it. You won't find any science any more scientific than the science we used!

Pucks
Sticks
Shin pads
Goalie masks
Overtime
PP and PK
Stanley Cup

Just trying to throw some hockey topics out there

I always liked Daze.

Pucks
Sticks
Shin pads
Goalie masks
Overtime
PP and PK
Stanley Cup

Just trying to throw some hockey topics out there
- AEL_Fox

Are you citing a fake news site for this info? Or the other fake news site?