I kind of agree with you on this tbh, boohoo the most privileged people in the world have to live in less than ideal circumstances while still making way more than any human conceivably should for what they are doing. Let me get my violin.
- neem55

It's kind of dancing bear situation though. People who work in mining or forestry, or oil do those (poopty) jobs because of the pay off. Shorter work periods for greater pay. Then there are those who prefer 9-5 steady (but lower) paycheques. Don't get me wrong, I'm not crying for professional athletes and their million dollar paycheques, but they have trained for this particular job, which has a very short life span, since they were 8-10 years old (that's when the major additional camps and coaches etc start for many). It would be like asking a teacher to work through the summer, and live at the school.

I hope you know it is within your right as a Canadian Citizen to refuse to work in an unsafe working conditions.


What is the right of refusal, or right to refuse to perform unsafe work?

All workers have a right to a working environment that protects their health and safety. Occupational health and safety laws across the country, generally speaking, allow an employee to refuse to perform their work when they have reason to believe that their health, or that of other individuals, is in jeopardy. In such cases, they may exercise a right of refusal which, depending on the jurisdiction, will trigger a variety of obligations on the part of the employer.

I hope you know it is within your right as a Canadian Citizen to refuse to work in an unsafe working conditions.


What is the right of refusal, or right to refuse to perform unsafe work?

All workers have a right to a working environment that protects their health and safety. Occupational health and safety laws across the country, generally speaking, allow an employee to refuse to perform their work when they have reason to believe that their health, or that of other individuals, is in jeopardy. In such cases, they may exercise a right of refusal which, depending on the jurisdiction, will trigger a variety of obligations on the part of the employer.
- VANTEL

Awesome then we will watch Russian, European and Americans play this summer,

Awesome then we will watch Russian, European and Americans play this summer,
- Makita

France just cancelled soccer and rugby today .


I am sure you have been to a few union meetings in your days . At best it is a screaming match even when things are good. I would love to be a fly on the wall at the next NHLPA meeting .

Awesome then we will watch Russian, European and Americans play this summer,
- Makita

How's your garden coming along? We ate asparagus from ours last night. Sadly, it was a few spears each, and now we're done for the season

Rhubarb is starting to look good, hopefully we get strawberries soon to make pie.

France just cancelled soccer and rugby today .
- VANTEL

I read Spain was trying to get practice facilities open for football soon. I can't see it being safe for at least another two months there, but good luck!

I read Spain was trying to get practice facilities open for football soon. I can't see it being safe for at least another two months there, but good luck!
- 1970vintage

I think things will open and people will die. I am thankful I chose when and where to go .

I think countries will look at the fact they can't stay closed forever and people will die. They will accept the numbers.

“ The Canadian economy is likely in its deepest recession on record and will only recover modestly over the coming year as it takes a direct hit from the coronavirus outbreak and a collapse in oil prices, a Reuters poll of economists showed.

After the economy contracted sharply last month and lost a record 1.01 million jobs, economists have slashed back their economic forecasts because of lockdown measures and reeling oil prices, which hit a record low last week as global economic activity came to a halt.

In the April 23-28 Reuters poll of 25 economists, Canada’s economy was predicted to have contracted at an annualized rate of 9.8 per cent last quarter and to shrink 37.5 per cent this quarter.

In a January poll, they predicted 1.6-per-cent and 1.7-per-cent growth, respectively, showing just how abruptly the economy has turned. If the latest forecasts are realized, it would mark the deepest recession in at least six decades.

“Canada is in the midst of an historic economic contraction. The economy has largely shut down, paralyzed by measures to contain the coronavirus pandemic, free-falling financial markets, plunging oil prices and plummeting confidence,” said Tony Stillo, director of Canada economics at Oxford Economics.”




From the Globe & Mail......but at least the draft will be in June and we can discuss gardens

It's kind of dancing bear situation though. People who work in mining or forestry, or oil do those (poopty) jobs because of the pay off. Shorter work periods for greater pay. Then there are those who prefer 9-5 steady (but lower) paycheques. Don't get me wrong, I'm not crying for professional athletes and their million dollar paycheques, but they have trained for this particular job, which has a very short life span, since they were 8-10 years old (that's when the major additional camps and coaches etc start for many). It would be like asking a teacher to work through the summer, and live at the school.
- 1970vintage

It would be like that, except if teachers were paid millions of dollars instead of being grossly underpaid. It would be ridiculous to ask teachers because of how they are compensated. It is not ridiculous to ask people who are already grossly over compensated imo.

It would be like that, except if teachers were paid millions of dollars instead of being grossly underpaid. It would be ridiculous to ask teachers because of how they are compensated. It is not ridiculous to ask people who are already grossly over compensated imo.
- neem55

They are not grossly overcompensated, there’s only a precious few in the world who can do what a select few can do in professional sports and people just so happen to pay a lot of money to enjoy it. So they get to share in the windfall. I hardly think that’s unfair.

It would be like that, except if teachers were paid millions of dollars instead of being grossly underpaid. It would be ridiculous to ask teachers because of how they are compensated. It is not ridiculous to ask people who are already grossly over compensated imo.
- neem55

you would be wrong then.

“ The Canadian economy is likely in its deepest recession on record and will only recover modestly over the coming year as it takes a direct hit from the coronavirus outbreak and a collapse in oil prices, a Reuters poll of economists showed.

After the economy contracted sharply last month and lost a record 1.01 million jobs, economists have slashed back their economic forecasts because of lockdown measures and reeling oil prices, which hit a record low last week as global economic activity came to a halt.

In the April 23-28 Reuters poll of 25 economists, Canada’s economy was predicted to have contracted at an annualized rate of 9.8 per cent last quarter and to shrink 37.5 per cent this quarter.

In a January poll, they predicted 1.6-per-cent and 1.7-per-cent growth, respectively, showing just how abruptly the economy has turned. If the latest forecasts are realized, it would mark the deepest recession in at least six decades.

“Canada is in the midst of an historic economic contraction. The economy has largely shut down, paralyzed by measures to contain the coronavirus pandemic, free-falling financial markets, plunging oil prices and plummeting confidence,” said Tony Stillo, director of Canada economics at Oxford Economics.”




From the Globe & Mail......but at least the draft will be in June and we can discuss gardens
- LeftCoaster

you gonna trust the G&M, that biased rag?

It would be like that, except if teachers were paid millions of dollars instead of being grossly underpaid. It would be ridiculous to ask teachers because of how they are compensated. It is not ridiculous to ask people who are already grossly over compensated imo.
- neem55

are teachers really grossly underpaid in canada? this may be an unpopular opinion but i don't believe so. i know several (mix of elementary and highschool). they start out at approximately $50k a year and after a few years and educational advancement (getting a graduate degree), it increases nicely. move into administration and it's getting close to 6 figures.

are teachers really grossly underpaid in canada? this may be an unpopular opinion but i don't believe so. i know several (mix of elementary and highschool). they start out at approximately $50k a year and after a few years and educational advancement (getting a graduate degree), it increases nicely. move into administration and it's getting close to 6 figures.
- RealityChecker

How would people feel if it was the CHL who wanted to complete the Memorial Cup? CHL teams are at a significant risk of going out of business. They rely heavily on gate revenues to survive. What if teenage athletes (who receive next to no monetary compensation) were being asked to sequester in hubs around the country to finish out their seasons, playoffs and final tournaments? This would help many of them with draft rankings and where they get selected, influencing their future professional earnings. They, to a large degree, already live away from home, don't have spouses or children.

Jake Muzzin says he feels very fortunate to sign his contract before this happened.

Signs of things to come.

How would people feel if it was the CHL who wanted to complete the Memorial Cup? CHL teams are at a significant risk of going out of business. They rely heavily on gate revenues to survive. What if teenage athletes (who receive next to no monetary compensation) were being asked to sequester in hubs around the country to finish out their seasons, playoffs and final tournaments? This would help many of them with draft rankings and where they get selected, influencing their future professional earnings. They, to a large degree, already live away from home, don't have spouses or children.
- 1970vintage

AHL said today they are going to look at canceling the rest of the season.

How would people feel if it was the CHL who wanted to complete the Memorial Cup? CHL teams are at a significant risk of going out of business. They rely heavily on gate revenues to survive. What if teenage athletes (who receive next to no monetary compensation) were being asked to sequester in hubs around the country to finish out their seasons, playoffs and final tournaments? This would help many of them with draft rankings and where they get selected, influencing their future professional earnings. They, to a large degree, already live away from home, don't have spouses or children.
- 1970vintage

if they wanted to do it in may, i think most people would disagree with the decision.

if they wanted to do it when society in general is relaxing conditions, i don't think there would be a huge uproar.

i think it's best to listen to the medical experts. if they are saying that we can start relaxing the restrictions, i think we should allow businesses to follow suit.

this isn't about getting ahead of the medical consensus, it's about following it. from what i've seen on the news from medical experts, we are entering a phase where we can start to ease off the restrictions. this doesn't mean that business can go from 100 to 0, it means slowly easing back.

i don't think hockey (or sports in general unless you're the UFC lol) is thinking about starting right away and having fans in the buildings. i think they're looking at trying to start back up within the confines of what the medical experts are saying.

are teachers really grossly underpaid in canada? this may be an unpopular opinion but i don't believe so. i know several (mix of elementary and highschool). they start out at approximately $50k a year and after a few years and educational advancement (getting a graduate degree), it increases nicely. move into administration and it's getting close to 6 figures.
- RealityChecker

My sister makes about 110K, maybe more. Weekends off, 2 weeks at Christmas, 1 in March and 8 in the summer.

Don't anybody give me a lecture on how hard teachers work, both my parents were principals at some point. Some teachers work hard at times, but it's really nothing out of the ordinary most of the time.

My sister makes about 110K, maybe more. Weekends off, 2 weeks at Christmas, 1 in March and 8 in the summer.

Don't anybody give me a lecture on how hard teachers work, both my parents were principals at some point. Some teachers work hard at times, but it's really nothing out of the ordinary most of the time.
- golfingsince

thank you.

My sister makes about 110K, maybe more. Weekends off, 2 weeks at Christmas, 1 in March and 8 in the summer.

Don't anybody give me a lecture on how hard teachers work, both my parents were principals at some point. Some teachers work hard at times, but it's really nothing out of the ordinary most of the time.
- golfingsince

- Marwood

They would need that much time off to deal with my grandkids

if they wanted to do it in may, i think most people would disagree with the decision.

if they wanted to do it when society in general is relaxing conditions, i don't think there would be a huge uproar.

i think it's best to listen to the medical experts. if they are saying that we can start relaxing the restrictions, i think we should allow businesses to follow suit.

this isn't about getting ahead of the medical consensus, it's about following it. from what i've seen on the news from medical experts, we are entering a phase where we can start to ease off the restrictions. this doesn't mean that business can go from 100 to 0, it means slowly easing back.

i don't think hockey (or sports in general unless you're the UFC lol) is thinking about starting right away and having fans in the buildings. i think they're looking at trying to start back up within the confines of what the medical experts are saying.
- RealityChecker

What I'm saying is that ignoring the concerns of a group of employees because they are well compensated is wrong.

Many players have said that having to ramp up training in a short period to complete the season creates unwanted health risks (injury concerns). Imagine you are a veteran player who has a year or two of productive service to the NHL left. You are an UFA at the end of this season. You work your ass off to get back to playing shape over a 3 week "training camp" and tear an abdominal muscle or something requiring surgery and an 8 month recovery time. Your career is now done in all likelihood.

They are not grossly overcompensated, there’s only a precious few in the world who can do what a select few can do in professional sports and people just so happen to pay a lot of money to enjoy it. So they get to share in the windfall. I hardly think that’s unfair.
- LeftCoaster

Yes, because playing sports is truly so important.

Yes, because playing sports is truly so important.
- neem55

Then don't watch.

Then don't watch.
- Marwood

He should go read some Herman Melville.