That’s 3 (soon to be 4) years ago. Fact is Boeser’s on-ice production drops mightily when playing with horvat. It’s essentially a black hole for him.

That’s why since his rookie season you just not see the pairing very often. Even Green can recognize that.
- bloatedmosquito

Virtually everyone wanted to drop JV last off-season and he had a strong year. I see him continuing to develop. Which is why I had him with JTM and EP.
Bo and Boesser along with TOffoli is interesting to me. I think they would support each other well.
That would allow Tanner Pearson to drop to the 3rd line.

Just my thoughts.
I like when the talent speed and strength are spread out evenly.

Why would the Leafs do that?
- LeftCoaster

Leafs don’t need cap space that more than 1/2 of fans polled voted for....

Also doesnt fit the current discussion and looks to be with someone else in the past:

So the idea that Horvat doesn’t play with Boeser is incorrect.

I keep saying over and over that they played an entire season together. So who are you claiming has this idea in our conversation?

Of course, this season which they don't play together at all gets omitted from that claim??? Why would that be? Probably because of how old this cut and paste is.

I'll check in later. Working on my truck for a few hours. Dragon Lake is icing off today and my favourite creek mouth on Green Lake is open enough for some quality fishing.

They have 3 players taking up just shy of 33m in cap space. They spent to the cap this year and have bonus's coming off next years cap. The cap is likely staying the same and they are going to be hurting a bit. Boeser keeps them competitive while gaining cap space. Marner would be the obvious choice to shed salary due to what he makes, and the possible return he could get. Nylander would be the second option.
- Retinalz

Yes but if you poll ppl with no math skills nor can bother to try they would shoot anything down anyways. Democracy fails in the face of the mathematically challenged.

The thing about trading Boeser is it is crazy talk. We are all thinking it but we can't mention it yet.
- VANTEL

He’s not untouchable

Yes but if you poll ppl with no math skills nor can bother to try they would shoot anything down anyways. Democracy fails in the face of the mathematically challenged.
- Nighthawk

He’s not untouchable
- Nighthawk

Not until Toffoli is resigned, JV stakes his claim and one of Lind, Pod, Hog prove they can play in the nhl.

I could see him being moved if all those things happened.

- Codes1087

Who's post did you cut and paste? This wasnt written now... and you are pretending to only have numbers up to end of last season but in reality, it's dating the original post. This cut and paste is near a year old at least... Was it in one of our blogs? "Green has AR and BH inseparable?" Really? Not this season. Last season actually. AR is playing with bottom 6. Not BH. Yet you pretended it was going to take a while to write it,,, but in reality you needed time to find the post to copy. ("Give me a second to write it out because I have a feeling it's going to be scrutinized to death.")


Can you provide a link to the sites you used to get your numbers so the rest of the readers can take a look if I'm wrong? Why does this site only show numbers that are a year or more older? That is rather interesting.

Bo Horvat and Boeser carried the teams scoring in Boeser's rookie season playing together both 5 on 5 and on the PP. Horvat only played 64 games but was on pace for over 30 goals and Boeser had 29. Where was the black hole? You dismissed their numbers in his rookie season, and your stats dont show this season. You provide no sources.

Let me know who I should be debating this with. You left the source of the original poster out.

Edit: You are talking scoring chances and I'm talking about goals and assists.
- boonerbuck

*sigh*

Of course I didn't do the math myself and got it from a web site. I said it didn't include this season stats so it's stats from last season. I've read this opinion from a number of articles before. It's an opinion I agree with. When AR and BH produce better that BB and BH then I don't like the thought of putting Brock with Bo.

That's the point of the conversation. You asked for proof and you got some. If you have numbers to show different outside of their rookie seasons please let me know.

- Codes1087

your gif game is on point today!

*sigh*

Of course I didn't do the math myself and got it from a web site. I said it didn't include this season stats so it's stats from last season. I've read this opinion from a number of articles before. It's an opinion I agree with. When AR and BH produce better that BB and BH then I don't like the thought of putting Brock with Bo.

That's the point of the conversation. You asked for proof and you got some. If you have numbers to show different outside of their rookie seasons please let me know.
- bloatedmosquito

unless you tracked the numbers by hand while watching the game yourself, it's fake news.

unless you tracked the numbers by hand while watching the game yourself, it's fake news.
- RealityChecker

I guess you're right.

He didn't address the actual stats but rather my plagiarism? I definitely plagiarised. I fully admit, not my math, but I didn't think that was the gist of the conversation.

He asked me if I had numbers to back up my opinion of why I don't like Bo and Brock together. I found someone else's numbers and posted them. If he would post some numbers that show I'm full of poop I would gladly concede. But that's not what he chose to do.

Bo is a North South bull C.
EP is a C who plays more on edges.

2 very differing styles. Bo is very strong on his feet & EP is shifty. No questioning that.

So Boeser was in the running for the Calder with Bo but playing with EP his scoring didn’t skyrocket. Why? Millers did.

My theory is Bo carried his line before he had support when EP arrived.

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On to JV...

He hasn’t had a regular C his entire career but finds ways to get a decent amount of goals.

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Building lines is more than just talent. Finding the chemistry with the right combos has been a work in progress since the retool & rebuild started. Miller & EP both can drive the play. Brock doesn’t. What imo is needed is for Bo to get a Burrows type player who fills in the gaps. Podk?

I guess you're right.

He didn't address the actual stats but rather my plagiarism? I definitely plagiarised. I fully admit, not my math, but I didn't think that was the gist of the conversation.

He asked me if I had numbers to back up my opinion of why I don't like Bo and Brock together. I found someone else's numbers and posted them. If he would post some numbers that show I'm full of poop I would gladly concede. But that's not what he chose to do.
- bloatedmosquito

I don’t have numbers. But I’d posit that Bo, Brock and Tofolli rather than LE or any other winger the Canucks had with them would be a damn good line.

How is it TT lit it up out of the gate with Miller & EP? Brocks numbers haven’t shown the same results.

He knows how to feed off both of them better than Boeser. Brock is still young & working on his complete game. Time will tell how that goes but it is evolving. When or if we make the PO’s is when we can better judge players.

I don’t have numbers. But I’d posit that Bo, Brock and Tofolli rather than LE or any other winger the Canucks had with them would be a damn good line.
- dbot

I don't understand why a line of TP, BH, TT wouldn't be a decent line. Did we get a chance to see that this season?

JTM - EP - BB
TP - BH - TT

as a top six? Doesn't seem so bad...

Virtually everyone wanted to drop JV last off-season and he had a strong year. I see him continuing to develop. Which is why I had him with JTM and EP.
Bo and Boesser along with TOffoli is interesting to me. I think they would support each other well.
That would allow Tanner Pearson to drop to the 3rd line.

Just my thoughts.
I like when the talent speed and strength are spread out evenly.
- dbot

I saw your reasoning to balance scoring over 3 lines. Gaudette is improving. Bo is Bo & EP is the man. We are nearing the time where the F depth will be a true force 3 lines deep.

I don't understand why a line of TP, BH, TT wouldn't be a decent line. Did we get a chance to see that this season?

JTM - EP - BB
TP - BH - TT

as a top six? Doesn't seem so bad...
- bloatedmosquito

Agreed.
I’d just rather insert Jake Virtanen in the top 6, with his speed and strength and drop Pearson to the 3rd line

Agreed.
I’d just rather insert Jake Virtanen in the top 6, with his speed and strength and drop Pearson to the 3rd line
- dbot

I agree that JV - BH - TT is also interesting but both TT and JV play right wing and that might freak out some purists.

I agree that JV - BH - TT is also interesting but both TT and JV play right wing and that might freak out some purists.
- bloatedmosquito

JV can play both idk about TT.

I agree that JV - BH - TT is also interesting but both TT and JV play right wing and that might freak out some purists.
- bloatedmosquito

For sure.
Wouldn’t wanna upset anyone.

Pearson & Bo have good chemistry. Hard to mess with that.

JV can play both idk about TT.
- Nighthawk

I think I'm becoming a fan of loading up the two top lines and giving them the majority of the workload. Rolling four lines is a nice idea but wonder if it works if you don't have the scoring depth.

Seeing as I’m fairly certain JB wants to resign TT & why not it’s creating a strange logjam of top 9 F’s. With Podk & Hoagie coming along it looks great for the future. Assets will be moved in the future imo.

The D needs more elite talent looking to the long term when Edler & Tanev are gone.