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boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 30 @ 3:06 PM ET
If I give you the stats will you promise to shut the fuck up?
- bloatedmosquito


Explain how an entire season of success with those two together should be dismissed and almost no games together the following 2 seasons is what we should really be basing the chemistry on?
carsonagenic
Vancouver Canucks
Location: AB
Joined: 03.08.2006

Apr 30 @ 3:11 PM ET
Great movie, do you have any other Guy Ritchie films? I found Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels to be better than Snatch. I'll be watching Sexy Beast tonight.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Seen Lock Stock multiple times, also a great movie... but its not in the bin
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

Apr 30 @ 3:11 PM ET
A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Apr 30 @ 3:12 PM ET

- Codes1087

bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 30 @ 3:13 PM ET
Awe, are you hurt?


Nothing more painful than being called on a BS post I guess.


- boonerbuck


You going to answer the challenge? Simple yes or no will do.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 30 @ 3:13 PM ET
Me neither. I hate Boeser with Horvat. That’s been done and it killed BB’s production.

BB on the first line or bust.

And that 3rd defence pairing. Yikes.

- bloatedmosquito


This is also backwards. In reality, Brock has fallen off with the 1st line you are promoting as "1st line or bust"... but he was hotter than hell with Bo.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 30 @ 3:14 PM ET
Explain how an entire season of success with those two together should be dismissed and almost no games together the following 2 seasons is what we should really be basing the chemistry on?

- boonerbuck


How's the early fishing season going? Catch any sympathy lately? I know that's your favorite catch of the day.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Apr 30 @ 3:17 PM ET
Wasn't there a big hullabaloo about Green not playing Toffoli with Pearson and Horvat for his first games as a Canuck? Wasn't he called an idiot for not taking advantage of TT's pre-established chemistry with TP? Some folks even said it was a 'FU' to the media for them suggesting what his lineups should be. Has that issue officially been put to rest now?
- YeOldTimer

It's on pause.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 30 @ 3:18 PM ET
You going to answer the challenge? Simple yes or no will do.
- bloatedmosquito


No. If you don't like people responding to your hockey posts, then go somewhere else or just stop posting but please stop whining about it.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 30 @ 3:20 PM ET
How's the early fishing season going? Catch any sympathy lately? I know that's your favorite catch of the day.
- bloatedmosquito


... and there it is. Straight to this stuff once you cornered yourself in a hockey convo.

Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Apr 30 @ 3:21 PM ET
No. If you don't like people responding to your hockey posts, then go somewhere else or just stop posting but please stop whining about it.

- boonerbuck

It was a pretty simple question, I thought.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Apr 30 @ 3:22 PM ET
... and there it is. Straight to this stuff once you cornered yourself in a hockey convo.


- boonerbuck

Then answer his question.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 30 @ 3:23 PM ET
Then answer his question.
- Marwood


Can't you read? He asked for a yes or no and I answered no in the very post you just quoted.


boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 30 @ 3:36 PM ET
It was a pretty simple question, I thought.
- Marwood


Yet, the very simple answer no was too complicated for you.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 30 @ 3:38 PM ET
No. If you don't like people responding to your hockey posts, then go somewhere else or just stop posting but please stop whining about it.

- boonerbuck


Fine. Give me a second to write it out because I have a feeling it's going to be scrutinized to death.

Then once done, I'm going to rub your nose in it like the incontinent dog that you are.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 30 @ 3:43 PM ET
Fine. Give me a second to write it out because I have a feeling it's going to be scrutinized to death.

Then once done, I'm going to rub your nose in it like the incontinent dog that you are.

- bloatedmosquito


Where are you going to find a significant sample size of numbers of games played with Bo since his rookie season if they are supposed to trump the very significant number of games and success they had together in Brock's first season? Parts of games here and there last season? None this season?

I wait for the spin.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Apr 30 @ 3:49 PM ET
Yet, the very simple answer no was too complicated for you.

- boonerbuck

He offered to back it up if you STFU. You did say "No" which I interpreted that you were afraid of his answer. Is that too simple?
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Apr 30 @ 3:50 PM ET

- Codes1087

boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 30 @ 3:55 PM ET
He offered to back it up if you STFU. You did say "No" which I interpreted that you were afraid of his answer. Is that too simple?
- Marwood


His post: You going to answer the challenge? Simple yes or no will do.

Very first word in my reply: No.

But you interpret something else.

golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 30 @ 4:29 PM ET
You guys need more time outside.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 30 @ 4:32 PM ET
Where are you going to find a significant sample size of numbers of games played with Bo since his rookie season if they are supposed to trump the very significant number of games and success they had together in Brock's first season? Parts of games here and there last season? None this season?

I wait for the spin.

- boonerbuck


Ok, here are some numbers to back up my thought process. I only have stats up to the beginning of this season so they may have changed the totals but it doesn’t change my awesome narrative.

Coming to the end of last season, the top four players with the greatest TOI with Horvat were: Boeser – 250.47; Virtanen – 229.27; Eriksson – 203.92; and Roussell – 166.57

So the idea that Horvat doesn’t play with Boeser is incorrect.

In general, canuck wingers production with Horvat is troubling. For whatever reason, only two of twelve eligible wingers have posted a positive scoring chance differential with Horvat. Boeser with Horvat stats are SCF/60 – 24.19; SCA/60 – 31.38; SCF% - 43.75

FYI, 26 scoring chances per 60 minutes is the cut-off between the top-half of the league and the bottom half. So when they are producing at a rate that’s in line with the bottom half of the league, that’s troubling, especially when it’s alongside the team’s second-line centre.

As much as we want to see Boeser produce with Horvat, the numbers aren’t hopeful. Boeser is bleeding scoring chances on the ice with Horvat.
Boeser: GF/60 - 2.16; GA/60 - 2.87; GF% - 42.86

There’s really only one winger who stands out and it’s Roussel. GF/60 - 3.96; GA/60 - .036; GF% 91.67

So overall, the numbers for Hovat and Boeser together are terrible. When AR makes Horvat look better than BB, that’s trouble. Hence why Green has AR and BH inseparable.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Apr 30 @ 4:42 PM ET
Ok, here are some numbers to back up my thought process. I only have stats up to the beginning of this season so they may have changed the totals but it doesn’t change my awesome narrative.

Coming to the end of last season, the top four players with the greatest TOI with Horvat were: Boeser – 250.47; Virtanen – 229.27; Eriksson – 203.92; and Roussell – 166.57

So the idea that Horvat doesn’t play with Boeser is incorrect.

In general, canuck wingers production with Horvat is troubling. For whatever reason, only two of twelve eligible wingers have posted a positive scoring chance differential with Horvat. Boeser with Horvat stats are SCF/60 – 24.19; SCA/60 – 31.38; SCF% - 43.75

FYI, 26 scoring chances per 60 minutes is the cut-off between the top-half of the league and the bottom half. So when they are producing at a rate that’s in line with the bottom half of the league, that’s troubling, especially when it’s alongside the team’s second-line centre.

As much as we want to see Boeser produce with Horvat, the numbers aren’t hopeful. Boeser is bleeding scoring chances on the ice with Horvat.
Boeser: GF/60 - 2.16; GA/60 - 2.87; GF% - 42.86

There’s really only one winger who stands out and it’s Roussel. GF/60 - 3.96; GA/60 - .036; GF% 91.67

So overall, the numbers for Hovat and Boeser together are terrible. When AR makes Horvat look better than BB, that’s trouble. Hence why Green has AR and BH inseparable.

- bloatedmosquito

Nice spin.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

Apr 30 @ 4:54 PM ET
Nice spin.
- Marwood


Like a top baby!

But it won't matter. Booner will just ignore it and give us another opinion piece on why he's a genius and the rest of us are unworthy. followed by his standard laughy face emoji.

Might even be honoured with two or three laughy faces and a head smack.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 30 @ 5:01 PM ET
Ok, here are some numbers to back up my thought process. I only have stats up to the beginning of this season so they may have changed the totals but it doesn’t change my awesome narrative.

Coming to the end of last season, the top four players with the greatest TOI with Horvat were: Boeser – 250.47; Virtanen – 229.27; Eriksson – 203.92; and Roussell – 166.57

So the idea that Horvat doesn’t play with Boeser is incorrect.

In general, canuck wingers production with Horvat is troubling. For whatever reason, only two of twelve eligible wingers have posted a positive scoring chance differential with Horvat. Boeser with Horvat stats are SCF/60 – 24.19; SCA/60 – 31.38; SCF% - 43.75

FYI, 26 scoring chances per 60 minutes is the cut-off between the top-half of the league and the bottom half. So when they are producing at a rate that’s in line with the bottom half of the league, that’s troubling, especially when it’s alongside the team’s second-line centre.

As much as we want to see Boeser produce with Horvat, the numbers aren’t hopeful. Boeser is bleeding scoring chances on the ice with Horvat.
Boeser: GF/60 - 2.16; GA/60 - 2.87; GF% - 42.86

There’s really only one winger who stands out and it’s Roussel. GF/60 - 3.96; GA/60 - .036; GF% 91.67

So overall, the numbers for Hovat and Boeser together are terrible. When AR makes Horvat look better than BB, that’s trouble. Hence why Green has AR and BH inseparable.

- bloatedmosquito


Who's post did you cut and paste? This wasnt written now... and you are pretending to only have numbers up to end of last season but in reality, it's dating the original post. This cut and paste is near a year old at least... Was it in one of our blogs? "Green has AR and BH inseparable?" Really? Not this season. Last season actually. AR is playing with bottom 6. Not BH. Yet you pretended it was going to take a while to write it,,, but in reality you needed time to find the post to copy. ("Give me a second to write it out because I have a feeling it's going to be scrutinized to death.")


Can you provide a link to the sites you used to get your numbers so the rest of the readers can take a look if I'm wrong? Why does this site only show numbers that are a year or more older? That is rather interesting.

Bo Horvat and Boeser carried the teams scoring in Boeser's rookie season playing together both 5 on 5 and on the PP. Horvat only played 64 games but was on pace for over 30 goals and Boeser had 29. Where was the black hole? You dismissed their numbers in his rookie season, and your stats dont show this season. You provide no sources.

Let me know who I should be debating this with. You left the source of the original poster out.

Edit: You are talking scoring chances and I'm talking about goals and assists.
boonerbuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Not Quesnel, BC
Joined: 10.11.2005

Apr 30 @ 5:01 PM ET
Like a top baby!

But it won't matter. Booner will just ignore it and give us another opinion piece on why he's a genius and the rest of us are unworthy. followed by his standard laughy face emoji.

Might even be honoured with two or three laughy faces and a head smack.

- bloatedmosquito



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