The only difference between CanucksWay and us HockeyBuzzards is they can actually meet in a room and not want to beat the crap out of each other.
- VANTEL

We here practice social distancing which puts us higher on the food chain.

This is a non Mensa only club. Anyone showing anything close to a decent IQ will be hung at high noon.
- Nighthawk

Lefty is correct for once in his life

This is purely entertainment . We are not insiders.

Are you suggesting never try it again? Benn is playing nothing like he use to. Not the first player to do that.
- VANTEL

Well they tried 3 free agent defensemen, this past season, Benn had 8 decent games, Fantenburg 2 and Myers about 35, so I am not sure what the answer is.
At least with Tanev, you know he will provide solid defense in 98% of the games he plays in, so if he plays 50 games, he provides solid defense for 49 games.

Then do your job and ban them.
- Marwood

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRaI7ZOmTr4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRaI7ZOmTr4
- Makita

Well done, sir.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRaI7ZOmTr4
- Makita

Well they tried 3 free agent defensemen, this past season, Benn had 8 decent games, Fantenburg 2 and Myers about 35, so I am not sure what the answer is.
At least with Tanev, you know he will provide solid defense in 98% of the games he plays in, so if he plays 50 games, he provides solid defense for 49 games.
- Reubenkincade

Tanev is part of the group of 6 that had 50 shots against them. Again we need more players that play in the other teams end and tougher players to play in our own end.

Tanev is part of the group of 6 that had 50 shots against them. Again we need more players that play in the other teams end and tougher players to play in our own end.
- VANTEL

A team of 6 dmen that are only effective in the other teams end is a losing strategy. No matter what they will need to play in their own end, and for that you will need dmen like Tanev who reduce dangerous shot attempts and give their team better chances at getting out of the zone. our 12 forwards are also responsible for 50 shots against. How many times did one of them fail to clear the zone? How many times did a forward ice the puck?
Tanev may not put up points, but he is rather quite good at getting the puck out of our zone, and to a forward to get us in the O-Zone, and quite good at keeping dangerous shots to a minimum when we are in the D-Zone. The difference between Risto and Tanev is that Risto will give you chances to score in the O-Zone, but give the other team more chances to score in the D-Zone. Tanev is the opposite. You need BOTH kinds of dmen to succeed. I think Risto is a bad idea. Hughes is better as our PP1 dman, and we would have to offload Myers for Risto to work.

Tanev is part of the group of 6 that had 50 shots against them. Again we need more players that play in the other teams end and tougher players to play in our own end.
- VANTEL

Who do you think those are?

It’s keep Tanev if not replaced. There is nobody to fill his skates. Big play for AP is my choice although unlikely. Gotta try. Next up is move assets that won’t come cheap to get a top 2 RHD unless we want to see Myers top 2 or Hughes play his offside. Lastly is let Tanev walk & save cap & tough it out & see what gives. I’m not looking at any UFA that isn’t a big piece long term.

A team of 6 dmen that are only effective in the other teams end is a losing strategy. No matter what they will need to play in their own end, and for that you will need dmen like Tanev who reduce dangerous shot attempts and give their team better chances at getting out of the zone. our 12 forwards are also responsible for 50 shots against. How many times did one of them fail to clear the zone? How many times did a forward ice the puck?
Tanev may not put up points, but he is rather quite good at getting the puck out of our zone, and to a forward to get us in the O-Zone, and quite good at keeping dangerous shots to a minimum when we are in the D-Zone. The difference between Risto and Tanev is that Risto will give you chances to score in the O-Zone, but give the other team more chances to score in the D-Zone. Tanev is the opposite. You need BOTH kinds of dmen to succeed. I think Risto is a bad idea. Hughes is better as our PP1 dman, and we would have to offload Myers for Risto to work.
- Retinalz

You can think what you want . I think bringing back the same six Dmen doesn't fix the D . Just a hunch.

A team of 6 dmen that are only effective in the other teams end is a losing strategy. No matter what they will need to play in their own end, and for that you will need dmen like Tanev who reduce dangerous shot attempts and give their team better chances at getting out of the zone. our 12 forwards are also responsible for 50 shots against. How many times did one of them fail to clear the zone? How many times did a forward ice the puck?
Tanev may not put up points, but he is rather quite good at getting the puck out of our zone, and to a forward to get us in the O-Zone, and quite good at keeping dangerous shots to a minimum when we are in the D-Zone. The difference between Risto and Tanev is that Risto will give you chances to score in the O-Zone, but give the other team more chances to score in the D-Zone. Tanev is the opposite. You need BOTH kinds of dmen to succeed. I think Risto is a bad idea. Hughes is better as our PP1 dman, and we would have to offload Myers for Risto to work.
- Retinalz

Long winded way of saying we have the offensive D men & more in the pipeline.

We require defensive d to compliment the pairings & the dynamics to play in both ends.

Tanev is part of the group of 6 that had 50 shots against them. Again we need more players that play in the other teams end and tougher players to play in our own end.
- VANTEL

Coaching and the forwards are just as responsible for that as the defense is. Benning has proven to be f*cking awful at assessing pro players and it shows every season. No wonder he peed himself when Hughes landed in their lap. Only blaming the defense is something Canucks Army would do.

With OJ Rathbone Utunen as LHD & only Woo Rafferty as RHD that’s a decent blend of skill sets for the future. Tryamkin is a Swiss Army type who can blend in given the right 7 D.

Problem is having stable vets in the meantime to let them mature & develop over the course of the next few years.

You can think what you want . I think bringing back the same six Dmen doesn't fix the D . Just a hunch.
- VANTEL

Exactly, get rid of Myers and Benn, to start with.

Coaching and the forwards are just as responsible for that as the defense is. Benning has proven to be f*cking awful at assessing pro players and it shows every season. No wonder he peed himself when Hughes landed in their lap. Only blaming the defense is something Canucks Army would do.
- Marwood

Well luckily I or anyone here have the qualifications to write for Canucks Army, even you.

I agree forwards and coaching are part of the problem .

With OJ Rathbone Utunen as LHD & only Woo as RHD that’s a decent blend of skill sets for the future. Tryamkin is a Swiss Army type who can blend in given the right 7 D.

Problem is having stable vets in the meantime to let them mature & develop over the course of the next few years.
- Nighthawk

Utenen will never be a Canuck . Book it.

You can think what you want . I think bringing back the same six Dmen doesn't fix the D . Just a hunch.
- VANTEL

I don’t see you both in disagreement so much as you both are looking for the right D corp going forward.

Try my style & project the 7 D.

Utenen will never be a Canuck . Book it.
- VANTEL

LHD depth is pretty deep. So maybe true but he is pretty reliable defensively vs other prospects. Edler will eventually need replacing.

I don’t see you both in disagreement so much as you both are looking for the right D corp going forward.

Try my style & project the 7 D.
- Nighthawk

You could have Bobby Orr and Nick Lidstrom in your top 6 and the Buzzards will still rip it apart so why bother.

You could have Bobby Orr and Nick Lidstrom in your top 6 and the Buzzards will still rip it apart so why bother.
- VANTEL

True but those who make an effort & go out on limb setting the D at least venture ideas that might work. Those who sit back don’t contribute anything other than pessimism without solutions.

True but those who make an effort & go out on limb setting the D at least venture ideas that might work. Those who sit back don’t contribute anything other than pessimism without solutions.
- Nighthawk

I don't know who they will bring in but there will be changes. I don't see Tanev or Stecher coming back so lets see what they do.

JT Miller was never on my radar for trades last year and here he is. I unlike a lot of people here actually trust the people in charge.So lets see what happens.

2 ways to play this game...

Play GM & make rosters & set the lines & D. Offer contracts/term & trades & sign UFA’s.

Sit back & play judge & jury while offering up no solutions other than reactive diatribes.

You can think what you want . I think bringing back the same six Dmen doesn't fix the D . Just a hunch.
- VANTEL

I'm not saying to bring back the same D. I am saying your suggestion of replacing Tanev with Risto will turn us from a 50 shot against team to a 60 shot against team. If we could trade Myers and get Risto I would be for it. Our top 4 is better this season than it was in years past. Forward groups and defensive coaching needs to be better just as much as D. Also our bottom pairing was horrendous an a larger part of our issue than our top 4 was. According to the stats, Edler and Myers did what you wanted, so did Hughes and Tanev. Stetcher, Benn, and Fatburger did not.

I don't know who they will bring in but there will be changes. I don't see Tanev or Stecher coming back so lets see what they do.

JT Miller was never on my radar for trades last year and here he is. I unlike a lot of people here actually trust the people in charge.So lets see what happens.
- VANTEL

As we stand looking ahead no doubt the F depth is looking pretty sweet.

Losing 2 RHD needs those holes filled. Who?
Woo isn’t ready yet.
Hughes says he can play his offside.
Rafferty has looked good so far.
Tryamkin is the only other in the mix.
Other depth D in Utica are role players ignoring OJ for the moment.

Exactly, get rid of Myers and Benn, to start with.
- Marwood

So what will the RHD look like if this happens?