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May 13 @ 4:39 PM ET
Don't see it, Sam is who he is, and I think on Jack's wing he will consistently put up 60 to 70pts, which unless he gets you a better player in a package is fine with me. - Buff36
agreed
I think we need to make a few 2 for 1 type trades, if you want to entertain moving reinhart
and you should be entertaining moving anyone but dahlin and eichel
where we get 2 players at a higher level
shop mccabe, reinhart and a pick and see what you get back
shop johansson, risto and a pick and see what you get back
Don't see it, Sam is who he is, and I think on Jack's wing he will consistently put up 60 to 70pts, which unless he gets you a better player in a package is fine with me. - Buff36
There's a very short list of players that people should want to trade Samson for.
If Brock Boeser is the target, as an example, he's on a 5.8M bridge deal. If he's a big improvement it doesn't show on the stats sheet and he'll make more than Sam at the end of the following season.
Gotta remember it's Samson at his signing price. If that's 8M he's overpaid and much less valuable. If it's 6, then the opposite. But you have to factor that any player you bring in better than him will be very high priced. We're strapped for a couple more years. Be careful.
Edit: You'd be targetting a top line, RW, under 25, that is going to sign or is signed for around 7M for less, that you think is an upgrade at the position. That's going to be tough to do IMO.
There's a very short list of players that people should want to trade Samson for.
If Brock Boeser is the target, as an example, he's on a 5.8M bridge deal. If he's a big improvement it doesn't show on the stats sheet and he'll make more than Sam at the end of the following season.
Gotta remember it's Samson at his signing price. If that's 8M he's overpaid and much less valuable. If it's 6, then the opposite. But you have to factor that any player you bring in better than him will be very high priced. We're strapped for a couple more years. Be careful.
Edit: You'd be targetting a top line, RW, under 25, that is going to sign or is signed for around 7M for less, that you think is an upgrade at the position. That's going to be tough to do IMO. - RhinoFan
Good Post, I have been hard on Rhino, really still don't understand why he wasn't tried with Skinner to see if he could get Skinner going. But him and Jack have good chemistry and with Olofsson they made a good 1st line. Find a player who can get the the puck to Skinner and go from there. Think you already have the makings of a good 3rd line with Kahun Cozens Mojo.
Good Post, I have been hard on Rhino, really still don't understand why he wasn't tried with Skinner to see if he could get Skinner going. But him and Jack have good chemistry and with Olofsson they made a good 1st line. Find a player who can get the the puck to Skinner and go from there. Think you already have the makings of a good 3rd line with Kahun Cozens Mojo. - Buff36
It's natural. Samson was a #2 overall draft pick. We hadn't had one in so long, all of us, me included, thought this kid would be Malkin 2.0 or something.
I don't agree he's 10th in a redraft, but he's not top5. So I get the reaction.
In the long run I agree though, Skinner will be fine. He needs a couple capable players to help him. Larsson, Vesey and Slowbotka aren't those guys, he played a lot of minutes with them last season.
I love Kahun. Love, love, love. Hoping Cozo is ready. Then you're 100% right and this year will be a lot more fun.
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May 13 @ 5:28 PM ET
There's a very short list of players that people should want to trade Samson for.
If Brock Boeser is the target, as an example, he's on a 5.8M bridge deal. If he's a big improvement it doesn't show on the stats sheet and he'll make more than Sam at the end of the following season.
Gotta remember it's Samson at his signing price. If that's 8M he's overpaid and much less valuable. If it's 6, then the opposite. But you have to factor that any player you bring in better than him will be very high priced. We're strapped for a couple more years. Be careful.
Edit: You'd be targetting a top line, RW, under 25, that is going to sign or is signed for around 7M for less, that you think is an upgrade at the position. That's going to be tough to do IMO. - RhinoFan
Your points are interesting to ponder, however I don't believe them to be necessarily true.
Sam, according to Evolving Hockey is projected to get between $7m and $8.5m depending on term.
I happen to be in the camp that believes his value at that price range just isn't there. By that, I mean the Sabres should be able to replace alot of his production for less. I would rather take that savings, include additional pieces to use for a player that could drive line 2, rather than have a top heavy line 1 and zippo for line 2.
Your points are interesting to ponder, however I don't believe them to be necessarily true.
Sam, according to Evolving Hockey is projected to get between $7m and $8.5m depending on term.
I happen to be in the camp that believes his value at that price range just isn't there. By that, I mean the Sabres should be able to replace alot of his production for less. I would rather take that savings, include additional pieces to use for a player that could drive line 2, rather than have a top heavy line 1 and zippo for line 2. - IonSabres
8 years at $7.25-$7.5M sounds right to me.
Anything more than that and I get nervous.
I would ideally go 3 year term at 7M per. Gives us another two years to see if he is part of the long term or if he should be moved.
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May 13 @ 5:44 PM ET
8 years at $7.25-$7.5M sounds right to me.
Anything more than that and I get nervous.
I would ideally go 3 year term at 7M per. Gives us another two years to see if he is part of the long term or if he should be moved. - Pegullaville
Meh.
Like I said, IMO the value just isn't there, so I would move on.
I would dump Skinners contract as well...but there is near-zero chance of that happening.
Sam is a very good player no doubt. Yet, if I'm making the decision to invest that kind of money, I want more than 65 points living off a top 5 center...I'd take 55 if said player came with additional attributes like strong wall play and a bit of truculence.
Anything more than that and I get nervous.
I would ideally go 3 year term at 7M per. Gives us another two years to see if he is part of the long term or if he should be moved. - Pegullaville
I think he'd take that deal to cash in with FA at 26/27. It would be fine with me as well
I would ideally go 3 year term at 7M per. Gives us another two years to see if he is part of the long term or if he should be moved. - Pegullaville
Top 10 paid RWs are $7.25m- $10.9m
11-20 are $5.875m- $7m.
I would say a good comparable in terms of age and point production at the time of signing would be Saad whose $6m 6 year deal was 8.22% of the cap at the time of the signing. That would equal to about $6.8m deal. The $7m deal you mentioned would be fair in my opinion, and would allow Sam to sign for more when the cap goes back up. Win/win for both sides.
Top 10 paid RWs are $7.25m- $10.9m
11-20 are $5.875m- $7m.
I would say a good comparable in terms of age and point production at the time of signing would be Saad whose $6m 6 year deal was 8.22% of the cap at the time of the signing. That would equal to about $6.8m deal. The $7m deal you mentioned would be fair in my opinion, and would allow Sam to sign for more when the cap goes back up. Win/win for both sides. - adambuffalo
I think Nylander is a good comparable also, adjust for a small bit of inflation if need be despite the flat cap.
I think Nylander is a good comparable also, adjust for a small bit of inflation if need be despite the flat cap. - Pegullaville
If you can get Rhino signed for 7mill you do it, him and Jack have chemistry. You still have pieces that can be used to add to your 2nd line and some money if need be. The RFA's coming of there ELC aren't getting the money they hoped to with a flat cap.
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May 13 @ 8:25 PM ET
Your points are interesting to ponder, however I don't believe them to be necessarily true.
Sam, according to Evolving Hockey is projected to get between $7m and $8.5m depending on term.
I happen to be in the camp that believes his value at that price range just isn't there. By that, I mean the Sabres should be able to replace alot of his production for less. I would rather take that savings, include additional pieces to use for a player that could drive line 2, rather than have a top heavy line 1 and zippo for line 2. - IonSabres
There's a very short list of players that people should want to trade Samson for.
If Brock Boeser is the target, as an example, he's on a 5.8M bridge deal. If he's a big improvement it doesn't show on the stats sheet and he'll make more than Sam at the end of the following season.
Gotta remember it's Samson at his signing price. If that's 8M he's overpaid and much less valuable. If it's 6, then the opposite. But you have to factor that any player you bring in better than him will be very high priced. We're strapped for a couple more years. Be careful.
Edit: You'd be targetting a top line, RW, under 25, that is going to sign or is signed for around 7M for less, that you think is an upgrade at the position. That's going to be tough to do IMO. - RhinoFan
Why would you target a RW in a trade involving Sam? Wouldn't you be better off targeting a similar age Center that they so badly need, and find a bargain winger on a short term for Eichel.
Why would you target a RW in a trade involving Sam? Wouldn't you be better off targeting a similar age Center that they so badly need, and find a bargain winger on a short term for Eichel. - kingcong39
I would think the only way you would move Rhino would be for that C, unless his contract demands are outrageous.
Location: We are finally good, NY Joined: 12.08.2009
May 13 @ 10:01 PM ET
Was just looking at this last week
I currently have a gas/charcoal combo,
with a smoker attached
So I don’t “need” a flattop, just kinda want it - jdfitz77
I like olofsson on the 1st line, he's a better passer then Skinner, and being away from Skinner is letting Jack grow into that elite player we all wanted to see. - Buff36
Never, ever doubt me. I have the vision that others only ponder about but never achieve. It's almost as if they read my Hockeybuzz messages and get their ideas.
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Now, I see you are discussing The ROOT which I was challenged about. If you do not recall my masterpiece about why Reinhart Out Of Town or The Root of the Sabres inability to bring themselves out of their achievement failure in a reasonable amount of time it stems from The Root's inability to play center when they tanked for him. He let the team, it's fans, and organization down.
Do not be surprised when The ROOT is traded. You won't have to pile praise upon me for having the vision others only ponder about having.
Jack looked pretty good with Skinner too - jdfitz77
Jack became a more complete player away from Skinner. Get a player to compliment Skinner on the 2nd line and you have 2 good lines with the potential to have 3 with Kahun Cozens Mojo.
