In a sport like basketball, where one player can dominate the entire league, it seems to me that when you have the single greatest (arguably anyway) Player in the history of the game...the right decision is to ride that horse as long as possible.
- Ogilthorpe2

Yes.
No matter what the CHICAGO BULL'S OWNERSHIP team's past positions on renegotiations was, the owner, Jerry Reinsdorf needed to open and toss the Pippen contract when they knew the chemistry around Micheal.

I think what happens is the key athletes the Jordan Brady Crosby guys in all sports have to get upset, start sending disrespect towards the owners and management, say they want out (privately) to bring about the Kane's to be sent to new cities.

I also believe it was the beginning of the end for NBA owners, those smart enough, realize the stars of the NBA had more power and control than the owners did
- BetweenTheDots

That's an interesting point

Yes, and no matter what the teams past positions on renegotiations was, the owner Reisedorf (sp) needed to open and toss the Pippen contract when they knew the chemistry around Micheal.

I think what happens is the key athletes the Jordon guys in all sports have to get upset, start sending disrespect towards the owners and and management, say they want out (privately) to bring about the Kane's to be sent to new cities.
- wiz1901

Love you man, but, what are you saying?

I agree and it makes me laugh how Reinsdorf hid behind Krause being the bad guy. It's all on Reinsdorf for not doing what great owners do.

With Rocky at least to me there is no dysfunctional squabbles within the org and maybe just maybe McD was making a power move and well now he's gone
- BetweenTheDots

Yes, Reinsdorf...if he was such a good leader... he could have seen how all of this was going on and then done something. That's very interesting. I wonder what high level influencers in the organization tried to argue to keep MJ or how political the environment was

I agree and it makes me laugh how Reinsdorf hid behind Krause being the bad guy. It's all on Reinsdorf for not doing what great owners do.

With Rocky at least to me there is no dysfunctional squabbles within the org and maybe just maybe McD was making a power move and well now he's gone
- BetweenTheDots

Forgive me as I know almost nothing about basketball, or Reinsdorf's basketball acumen (nor have I watched The Last Dance). I'm under the impression that Reinsdorf has the same knowledge about basketball that Rocky does about hockey. Obviously knows the game, but not the finer details.

Isn't the bolded above precisely what everyone has been complaining about McD doing for the past three years. A non-hockey guy meddling in hockey decisions? Again, I may be way off base here.

Love you man, but, what are you saying?
- just69sayin

In a sport like basketball, where one player can dominate the entire league, it seems to me that when you have the single greatest (arguably anyway) Player in the history of the game...the right decision is to ride that horse as long as possible.
- Ogilthorpe2


Yes.
No matter what the CHICAGO BULL'S OWNERSHIP team's past position on renegotiations was, the owner, Jerry Reinsdorf needed to open and toss the Pippen contract when they knew the chemistry around Micheal.

I think what happens is the key athletes the Jordan Brady Crosby guys in all sports have to get upset, start sending disrespect towards the owners and management, say they want out (privately) to bring about the Kane's to be sent to new cities.

Better? Clearer?

I've been out of chats for the past few weeks. Is Shaw not coming back?

Forgive me as I know almost nothing about basketball, or Reinsdorf's basketball acumen (nor have I watched The Last Dance). I'm under the impression that Reinsdorf has the same knowledge about basketball that Rocky does about hockey. Obviously knows the game, but not the finer details.

Isn't the bolded above precisely what everyone has been complaining about McD doing for the past three years. A non-hockey guy meddling in hockey decisions? Again, I may be way off base here.
- Chunk

At what point is it too much, the cap in 98-99 was about 30M. Jordan was getting paid 33M. the rest of the team was at about 30M. Not sure of the total profit loss of the Bulls during that period, signing #33 to a 5X65 as was suggested would have been close to a Seabrook contract as he hit the wall post Bulls, only one season scoring in the teens... (yes hind site = 20X20)

I've been out of chats for the past few weeks. Is Shaw not coming back?
- Popsghostly

Some think not...he will say he is...speculation will make him one of the unauthorized buyouts everybody seems to think is going to fall in place due to things...

Forgive me as I know almost nothing about basketball, or Reinsdorf's basketball acumen (nor have I watched The Last Dance). I'm under the impression that Reinsdorf has the same knowledge about basketball that Rocky does about hockey. Obviously knows the game, but not the finer details.

Isn't the bolded above precisely what everyone has been complaining about McD doing for the past three years. A non-hockey guy meddling in hockey decisions? Again, I may be way off base here.
- Chunk

What's great about Reinsdorf is he owns 2 teams. Remember the Kenny Williams Ozzie Guillen crap, say what you will about Rocky externally they are on the same page.

McD stuff to me was fodder, people making something out of nothing

At what point is it too much, the cap in 98-99 was about 30M. Jordan was getting paid 33M. the rest of the team was at about 30M. Not sure of the total profit loss of the Bulls during that period, signing #33 to a 5X65 as was suggested would have been close to a Seabrook contract as he hit the wall post Bulls, only one season scoring in the teens... (yes hind site = 20X20)
- riozzo

Certainly. I guess the question I had was, is any "meddling" by non-hockey executives acceptable? It sounded here like any influence from McD on players was considered negative.

At what point is it too much, the cap in 98-99 was about 30M. Jordan was getting paid 33M. the rest of the team was at about 30M. Not sure of the total profit loss of the Bulls during that period, signing #33 to a 5X65 as was suggested would have been close to a Seabrook contract as he hit the wall post Bulls, only one season scoring in the teens... (yes hind site = 20X20)
- riozzo

According to Forbes, the Bulls franchise value is $3.2B. All NBA teams are valued in excess of $1.3B, with LAL and N.Y. above $4B.

Are there any doubts that the 90s Bulls and Jordan (yes, building on what Larry and Magic accomplished in the previous decade) were a major factor in the huge increase in the value of the league - locally, nationally, and internationally - from the drug-addled league of the 70s to now?

Whatever operating losses they may have had at the time, whatever they paid Hordan and Pippen was not enough compared to the financial impact they had.

I've been out of chats for the past few weeks. Is Shaw not coming back?
- Popsghostly

There has been whispers that be may be contemplating his NHL career due to the multiple concussions faced throughout his time in hockey - especially in the last few years.

There has been whispers that be may be contemplating his NHL career due to the multiple concussions faced throughout his time in hockey - especially in the last few years.
- Tyler Cameron

I worry about Shaw. Even if he is medically cleared to play, as others have stated, he is one hit away from a really serious, career-ending injury that could impact the rest of his life as a father. He may be in that boat right now.

Likewise, I tend to agree with your thoughts on Caggiula gravitating toward that scenario as well given his concusssion history and playing style. Is it worth re-signing him even at say an affordable $1M deal for one season?

Or would it be better to roll with the youth who -- while still a lot left to prove -- have shown glimpses of being effective bottom 6 role players?

Highmore is a keeper in my book. Hustles, agitates, chips in offensively, defends.

Hagel had a great NHL debut and is almost a carbon copy of Highmore with more offensive skill to possibly push for 3rd line duty.

I still hold onto hope for Sikura to finally stick as a 3rd line winger who provides energy, hockey sense, playmaking, and 200-foot acumen.

Although not immediate replacements for Shaw or Caggiula, there are other prospects coming down the pike to be excited about, i.e. Kurashev, Entwistle, Soderlund, Barratt.

Ignoring, for the moment, Krause’s alienation of Jackson, Jordan, and the team (with Jackson and Jordan’s help):

Both.

And - neither.

It all depends on the ultimate results - which all depends on the competence of the person in charge (Krause and Bowman) and their ability to “get the job done”.

We know Krause didn’t have that ability. He was able to retool after Jordan came back to lead to the “three peat repeat”, building around 23 and 33. But he wasn’t able to rebuild a new championship contender, building around coach Tim Floyd and draft picks like Brand (ok, not bad), Fizer, Curry....Never could convince a top free agent to sign.

We don’t know if Bowman has the ability or not. He should get credit for the retooling that contributed to 2013-15 run, but we don’t know if he can do a more extensive retool around an aging Kane, Toews, Keith.
- StLBravesFan

I guess this is more to where I was going with this.

After the last cup, should Bowman have started the rebuild like Krause did, and honestly, like Krause wanted to, a year or so prior by wanting to trade Pippen.

I don't think many, if any of us, think the Hawks are winning another cup with the core.

Krause was annoying as (frank), but his inspiration was he didn't want to keep his stars (core) until they were broken down and failing like the Celtics had became.

Are the Hawks closer to a cup now, then if they would have traded away some of the core, and maybe not extended Seabrook?

Obviously, we'll never know, so you can't say who was right and who was wrong. Krause couldn't rebuild a contender, but I don't think he was wrong. I'm not sure I believe they would've won a 7th title after watching the Last Dance. Think they were spent.

Just thought it was an interesting comparison.

[quote=wiz1901]
Sorry Bill I'm lost its still confusing.

Given the choice between the Hawks making it in the expanded 24 team playoff as the 12th team in the West, OR, moving up to 7th in the draft (if the 7 teams not in the playoffs are seeded that way), what would everyone choose?

I'll take the higher draft choice.

Given the choice between the Hawks making it in the expanded 24 team playoff as the 12th team in the West, OR, moving up to 7th in the draft (if the 7 teams not in the playoffs are seeded that way), what would everyone choose?

I'll take the higher draft choice.
- boilermaker100

Higher draft choice. I know this is a deep draft but there's still a substantial difference from the 1-7 spots to the 8-15 spots, especially if seeking a player like Dach who has high potential to play in the NHL right away.

Would much rather be selecting one of Rossi, Perfetti, Holtz, or Raymond at the 7th spot. Lundell would be great but would rather have these other youngsters ahead of him.

There has been whispers that be may be contemplating his NHL career due to the multiple concussions faced throughout his time in hockey - especially in the last few years.
- Tyler Cameron

Loved what he brought to the hawks and 2 cup wins but retire enjoy life and his family would best thing for him.

I worry about Shaw. Even if he is medically cleared to play, as others have stated, he is one hit away from a really serious, career-ending injury that could impact the rest of his life as a father. He may be in that boat right now.

Likewise, I tend to agree with your thoughts on Caggiula gravitating toward that scenario as well given his concusssion history and playing style. Is it worth re-signing him even at say an affordable $1M deal for one season?

Or would it be better to roll with the youth who -- while still a lot left to prove -- have shown glimpses of being effective bottom 6 role players?

Highmore is a keeper in my book. Hustles, agitates, chips in offensively, defends.

Hagel had a great NHL debut and is almost a carbon copy of Highmore with more offensive skill to possibly push for 3rd line duty.

I still hold onto hope for Sikura to finally stick as a 3rd line winger who provides energy, hockey sense, playmaking, and 200-foot acumen.

Although not immediate replacements for Shaw or Caggiula, there are other prospects coming down the pike to be excited about, i.e. Kurashev, Entwistle, Soderlund, Barratt.
- AEL_Fox

Sadly, I think if this ever does happen, it will be in another sweater.

Loved what he brought to the hawks and 2 cup wins but retire enjoy life and his family would best thing for him.
- Scott1977

I'm with you Scott. I wasn't a big fan of them bringing him back in the first place. I have nothing but respect for what he gave and the way he played, but I wouldn't mess with a brain injury. It's just not worth it in my opinion.

Well I just heard that the June Draft is officially dead, mixed by GMs b/c the trade component was gone.
I am not sure if a win in the pre-p
lay-off play-off counts as a game result that is tagged onto the standings percentages because these kinda season games are not being played to even the games played by ALL the teams who played one or two less, so the draft order I firmly believes stays BLackhawks in slot none prior to any lotto won by one team with a higher win % than them that would put them to slot ten.

I'm with you Scott. I wasn't a big fan of them bringing him back in the first place. I have nothing but respect for what he gave and the way he played, but I wouldn't mess with a brain injury. It's just not worth it in my opinion.
- Chunk

Agree did not like the trade was injury prone in montreal and was another pr stunt by the Blackhawk's brass to bring more attention and fans in the seats, plus gave up too much to get him. Shaw retire or go on LTRI for the remaining 2 seasons. Nothing but a heart and soul guy and those are the players who help win cups.

Well I just heard that the June Draft is officially dead, mixed by GMs b/c the trade component was gone.
I am not sure if a win in the prep lay-off play-off counts as a game result that is tagged onto the standings percentages because these kinda season games are not being played to even the games played by ALL the teams who played one or two less, so the draft order I firmly believes stays BLackhawks in slot none prior to any lotto won by one team below them that would put them to slot ten.
- wiz1901

Has the league confirmed this is the method they are going to use?

Has the league confirmed this is the method they are going to use?
- Chunk

The league project “final standings” based on the standings that existed...that is where the hawks selecting 9th came from...
And No, The league hasn’t announced a thing yet and won’t until they set the draft date.

No matter, the Hawks are a team that is "in' the preliminary round, no matter what we desire...