I dunno if you all realize this, but Giroux only needs 34 points to catch Propp and 68 points for Barber to reach 2nd all-time in the franchise’s leading scorer’s list. Barring catastrophe or major injury, he does this within a season. He’s already 2nd all time in assists, and will pass Billy Barber as the 2nd longest tenured Flyers of all time in a mere 14 games.

Folks, his jersey is going up even if he does none of those three things on the list.

In fact, it’s almost inevitable that he gets the honor as is. Of this period, he’s the guy. Doesn’t matter what you think of his leadership. Too bad. It’s gonna happen.

In a few years after his retirement, even most of the hardened anti-Giroux people will soften their stance. Time does that. Nostalgia kicks in, he will become beloved by the vast majority, and they’ll want his sweater up with the greats. Save for a few stubborn, simpleton ham ‘n eggers, he will be cherished as an all-time Flyer.
- Hesh_

It is unlikely that Giroux has his number retired if he does not get elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame.

It is unlikely that Giroux has his number retired if he does not get elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame.
- MJL

If he hits 1,000 points, which is feasible, that would help. Few haven’t been elected who haven’t earned 1,000 points. Many of those who haven’t been elected in that bunch still have their numbers hanging.

Now that includes our boy Propp, but hey, G is a life long Flyer. Admittedly, that helps. Simply all of those games played mean something. Personally, I’d be all about putting Propp up there anyway.

Oh, and Larmer. Chicago really needs to get on that.

If he hits 1,000 points, which is feasible, that would help. Few haven’t been elected who haven’t earned 1,000 points. Many of those who haven’t been elected in that bunch still have their numbers hanging.

Now that includes our boy Propp, but hey, G is a life long Flyer. Admittedly, that helps. Simply all of those games played mean something. Personally, I’d be all about putting Propp up there anyway.

Oh, and Larmer. Chicago really needs to get on that.
- Hesh_

You can't cheapen retiring numbers. The standard for retiring a number should be making the Hall of Fame.

Great memories. The celebration at Frankford and Cottman was totally spontaneous. Nobody planned for it or expected it because it had never happened before. I was 22 with hair down to my shoulders. Oh my how times have changed.

You can't cheapen retiring numbers. The standard for retiring a number should be making the Hall of Fame.
- MJL

Barry Ashbee to my knowledge isn’t in the Hall. Making one exception within reason isn’t cheating one extra banner.

Barry Ashbee to my knowledge isn’t in the Hall. Making one exception within reason isn’t cheating one extra banner.
- SuperSchennBros

Ashbee's number was the first one to be retired and it was strictly for symbolic and sentimental reasons. Since then, a tradition has emerged for the criteria it takes.

Being in the Flyers Hall of Fame is a nice honor in its own right, and the bar is a little lower to be selected.

Ashbee's number was the first one to be retired and it was strictly for symbolic and sentimental reasons. Since then, a tradition has emerged for the criteria it takes.

Being in the Flyers Hall of Fame is a nice honor in its own right, and the bar is a little lower to be selected.
- bmeltzer

But Ashbee's number is retired!

Maybe you should just copy your reply for 6 months from now when we have the same debate again.

I dunno if you all realize this, but Giroux only needs 34 points to catch Propp and 68 points for Barber to reach 2nd all-time in the franchise’s leading scorer’s list. Barring catastrophe or major injury, he does this within a season. He’s already 2nd all time in assists, and will pass Billy Barber as the 2nd longest tenured Flyers of all time in a mere 14 games.

Folks, his jersey is going up even if he does none of those three things on the list.

In fact, it’s almost inevitable that he gets the honor as is. Of this period, he’s the guy. Doesn’t matter what you think of his leadership. Too bad. It’s gonna happen.

In a few years after his retirement, even most of the hardened anti-Giroux people will soften their stance. Time does that. Nostalgia kicks in, he will become beloved by the vast majority, and they’ll want his sweater up with the greats. Save for a few stubborn, simpleton ham ‘n eggers, he will be cherished as an all-time Flyer.
- Hesh_

I respectively disagree. I know he has the tenure and individual stats to back it up but you need some post season runs too.

I understand he was on the cup team in 2010. They won a couple round from 11-12. However in his captaincy here, they've yet to win a round. I'll buy the "it's a team game" argument. But for me personally as THE GUY, you have to bolster up that post season track record.

If he hits 1,000 points, which is feasible, that would help. Few haven’t been elected who haven’t earned 1,000 points. Many of those who haven’t been elected in that bunch still have their numbers hanging.

Now that includes our boy Propp, but hey, G is a life long Flyer. Admittedly, that helps. Simply all of those games played mean something. Personally, I’d be all about putting Propp up there anyway.

Oh, and Larmer. Chicago really needs to get on that.
- Hesh_

Haha...I wrote pretty much the same thing yesterday. If Giroux gets to the 1,000 point mark, he has a strong chance to make the HOF and thereby have his jersey retired. Win a cup and/or Conn Smythe and I think he’d be a lock.

Ashbee's 73-74 season was one of the best for a Flyers defenseman. He didn't put up a lot of points but he was a plus 50 something. He carried Moose most of the time and was the best defenseman on the team. It's a shame he didn't make it to the Final. I was waiting on a customer with the radio on when his death was reported. I almost lost my composure right there. A sentimental choice for the hall but he epitomized dedication, hard work and courage.

I respectively disagree. I know he has the tenure and individual stats to back it up but you need some post season runs too.

I understand he was on the cup team in 2010. They won a couple round from 11-12. However in his captaincy here, they've yet to win a round. I'll buy the "it's a team game" argument. But for me personally as THE GUY, you have to bolster up that post season track record.
- Pelle31Forever

Understand he was on the team...ugh he was a huge piece of that team man. Can’t fault him for the team being the epitome of mediocrity. His post season track record is just fine. Very close to PPG. Things change , I don’t think he needs to be HHOF to get his number retired here. We’ll be lucky if we get another player as good as his tenure again.

But Ashbee's number is retired!

Maybe you should just copy your reply for 6 months from now when we have the same debate again.
- MBFlyerfan

If Giroux plays another 4 to 5 seasons at a high level. Collects 1000 plus points but get snubbed to get his number raised. It just seems criminal to me.

"Played here a long time and scored lots of points" should not be the sole criteria for getting your jersey retired. The other players were elite, top-3 players at their respective positions during their time here. They became folk heroes as much as hockey players. Giroux has been really, really good, but he isn't on that level. Flyere HOF lock, but jersey retirement would need more.

"Played here a long time and scored lots of points" should not be the sole criteria for getting your jersey retired. The other players were elite, top-3 players at their respective positions during their time here. They became folk heroes as much as hockey players. Giroux has been really, really good, but he isn't on that level. Flyere HOF lock, but jersey retirement would need more.
- jmatchett383

Although he was never an elite goal scorer, There was a time that he was an elite playmaker. Man, especially early on. Remember those feeds? Damn. Giroux was never given an elite scorer, let alone a very good one, on his wing. We saw what happened when he was even given a past his prime Jagr. That was pretty fun. Playing with Coors sure brought BOTH of their games up.

The guy’s team was decimated around him. Richards and Carter leaving may have thrust him up on the top line fast, but can you imagine what might have happened if they had kept, say, Jeff Carter? Those two one a line together for years could have been deadly.

Not his fault. Can’t hold it against him. And yet despite playing during a rather bleh period of Flyers hockey, that man is gonna be #2 after the great Bobby Clarke one day for a franchise who has had a whoooole Lott’s great teams over its tenure.

Should say something about him.

If Giroux plays another 4 to 5 seasons at a high level. Collects 1000 plus points but get snubbed to get his number raised. It just seems criminal to me.
- SuperSchennBros

On a pure level I agree. I think that if he gets to 1000 points he gets in the HHOF so the the point will be moot.

Its a different game now. Getting 1000 points is a much more difficult feat than it was in the old days.

On a pure level I agree. I think that if he gets to 1000 points he gets in the HHOF so the the point will be moot.

Its a different game now. Getting 1000 points is a much more difficult feat than it was in the old days.
- MBFlyerfan

Absolutely. Will we see players get Gretzky, Mario, Lindros numbers ever again?

Absolutely. Will we see players get Gretzky, Mario, Lindros numbers ever again?
- SuperSchennBros

Ovie has a serious shot at Wayne’s goals

But as for his total points, nahhh.

We’ll still see 1,000 point guys now and again, tho. There are a number of them still active, and a few more who are recent players ineligible due to a lack of time retired.

Absolutely. Will we see players get Gretzky, Mario, Lindros numbers ever again?
- SuperSchennBros

Gretzky, Mario? No. Lindros? Probably. At his best, 88 scored around 1.5 ppg. I don’t think it’s that much of a reach to think players will score 120-125 points now and then.

Those other 2 in their prime scored over well 2 points per game. Unless the game radically changes, I don’t think we’ll ever see that again.

Ovie has a serious shot at Wayne’s goals

But as for his total points, nahhh.

We’ll still see 1,000 point guys now and again, tho. There are a number of them still active, and a few more who are recent players ineligible due to a lack of time retired.
- Hesh_

What is amazing is that he still 188 goals to go. At 34 he does have a shot. 38 goals for 5 seasons gets him there. Pretty amazing what Ovi has done in todays game.

Ovie has a serious shot at Wayne’s goals

But as for his total points, nahhh.

We’ll still see 1,000 point guys now and again, tho. There are a number of them still active, and a few more who are recent players ineligible due to a lack of time retired.
- Hesh_

This lay off might have crushed Ov’s chances.

Just have to say this...if hockey is coming back to tv soon, even if I disagree with how they restart or format the playoffs, I’m going to watch every second of Flyers hockey and be more thankful than ever to see it. I’ll remember everything.

Whatever it can be...bring it on. Let’s go Flyers!

This lay off might have crushed Ov’s chances.
- SuperSchennBros

Meh, it may have cost him what...5-8 goals....maybe?

Meh, it may have cost him what...5-8 goals....maybe?
- MBFlyerfan

Not if next season is also effected.

Not if next season is also effected.
- SuperSchennBros

This is true. Did not think of that.

I hate to say it, because I truly dislike the guy, but I don’t see Ovie letting this go until he hits the number. If he plays until his 40s, so be it. If he’s 40 and 25 goals away somehow, bet he’s coming back at 41.